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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: WhiteHawk on April 04, 2002, 01:58:16 PM
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Last night I was stalking an nme radar contact in my 109g-10.
it was approachng my airbase from the south. I suspected a
buff, but it was moving to fast. perhaps a heavy fitr gonna
drop a egg or 2. I climbed hard and positioned myself to
blindside im right before he started his run. Cool, my fellow,
country man has spotted him and is causing a nice disrtaction.
I put the coals to my g-10 and caught the nme p51d trying
to outzoom my fellow country man. Just as the nme p51d is
looping over the top, his airspeed near 0, mine close to 300,
I let loose with my 2 13mm's and 1 20mm. Put some good lead
into him and I heard the boom as I zinged past.
A brilliant bnz? or a kill steal? I got the usual dose of
whine from the victim but my dear fellow country man
ask me if I couldnt see that he was engaged with the
p51d. "yes" I replied.
"Then why did u jump in and steal the kill?" he asked
" :eek:?!?!? " I replied
"Go to the DA ," I said", its impossible to assess
whether I am clearing a 6 or stealing a Kill at 300mph."
"Go FCK yerself" he retarded.
I wont bring up any names here, but, if you happen to read this,
jsut realize that I was tracking the con long before u
bungled into the situation, and just because I am not
butterfly dancin with the guy doesnt mean i am not engaged!!
Take yer punk arse to the DA, where there are unwritten
rules of conduct.
MA is for killers.
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How desperate for a kill are you in these circumstances? (Not you whthwk, the other guy) I mean if you're a good energy fighter, you are going to set people up, and sooner or later SOMEONE is going to steal that kill. Take it in the spirit of teamwork I say. Seeker stole one right from under me a few nights ago. We joked about it. My squad mates are always doing it. And frankly I'm happy, because if they didn't then sooner or later, I'm going to be getting my bellybutton kicked, and they would just fly by and let me die.
And look at it that way. Lets say you let that fight go, and your countryman dies... he'll probably start ranting about how you just "left him hanging" while the pony bounced him. You can't win with some people. That's why we get to .squelch them :)
-Sikboy
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Kind of a bad situation any way you approach it isn't it? I've rarely been accused of stealing a kill in a similar situation, but then again if you do nothing you often get yelled at for not helping. I usually try to ask if they would like help if I know the friendly is a good pilot. AH voice is really helpful for this. Before you couldn't really expect them to take their hands off the stick and type something. (Or even look at the test buffer for that matter.)
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Ruuudeeeee! :D
Sidenote:
Take it easy WhiteHawk its just a game and some ppl just lose their temper sometimes... (I do all the time but I solve it by loging off for a minute or two to le the steam out and then loging back in this works for me... some other ppl just go verbal...) ;)
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Oh, one other thing... I think I might have stolen a kill from Oxman right after Seeker stole one from me, so I guess there's some kind of Karma factor at work.
-Sikboy
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Everyone steals someones kill for the first time one day.... But sometimes its really hard to judge if you are stealing kill or saving someone's butt... But basicaly if you dont kill the bad guy you are giving him a chance to kill a good guy...
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AH VOICE range channell helps prevent this now.
Example: (Pollock) in in on dweeb NIK, (other guy persuing) rgr,
(Pollock) pinged him im vertical off (other guy) im on em, (Pollock) rgr, (other guy) he's down no wing (Pollock) good kill
(other guy) thanks man.
Im sure if I took off his wing the other guy would have broken off because we were communicating.
Im not saying this will happen all the time but I think AH voice will help reduce the times when you think you have been snaked out of a kill.
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Tell him to get a move on next time.....
<.wingman sikboy, looks for more booty :) >
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A kill steal is when someone shoots a plane after someone has already disabled it and it's falling to earth. There are some very good kill stealers in the MA. Over the shoulder conga line shooting isn't kill stealing just a bit of bad taste, nothing more. Anything else is fair game IMO since there is damn near no respect for 1v1's in the MA. After saying that I'll reflect on my latest true 1v1 in La7's a few nights ago...THAT was fun but it happens so danged rarely in the MA.
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so you finally found someone slow enough to steal kills from, Seeker?
:eek:
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Originally posted by Seeker
<.wingman sikboy, looks for more booty :) >
lol, as I recall the equation was -SB-=Super Bait
-Sikboy
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Hear hear!!!
I agree...the only good enemy is a dead enemy. I fly with the most inconsiderate lowdown kill steeelin dirtbags in the MA...they are my squadmates:)
Our priority is to kill as many bad guys as possible...who gets the kill is irrelevant as long as they fly the 13th TAS colors.
If it's a one v one with no other activity nearby, I'll standdown. If, however, someone is one v one and other enemy is present, I'm going to kill that guy as fast as possible because I know more are otw. If I showed this wonderful respect thingie in the latter circumstance, what would happen is the friendly would end up gettin shot down and the one plane that kills me would be the one initially engaged with the friendly that I should have engaged in the first place.
Did that make any sense?:)
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perfect sense rude.......except for the 'lowdown' and '13thTAS' in the same sentance :D oh you mean lowdown and dirty? ahh then yes perfect sense mwahahaha
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Its because of situations like this that HTC should impliment a right mouse button "I got dibs" call.
I've had a fight with before... where I've pulled a perfect rope-a-dope and had the enemy just flopping around 1k below me... only to have a plane swoop in and nail him as he hung there. My thoughts on that... I need to figure out a faster way to get over the top in a rope-a-dope.
AKDejaVu
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Don't sweat it whitehawk. I advise you not to care too awful much about what other people think or say about you. There are some people who are just natural retards. To heck with 'em. Just swap countries and kill 'em. :)
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Same here with the rope.
Many, many, MANY, times I have had someone roped nicely to see a county mate dot him like an I before I can get over the top.
The only time I get upset over someone else getting a kill is when they’ve come over my shoulder to do it. Most of the time causing me to killshooter. That truly sucks.
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The only time I give a rip about somebody killing "my guy" is if I knock off his wing and some joker shoots him up on his way down. Other than that I just don't keeer.
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Happens to me all the time. Pisses me off too. I love the folks that assume you need help when you are sitting 150 yards off the enemy planes tail. They come diving in with their N1K or La7 and shoot him up. I usually tell em "Gee, thanks for the help. I guess he could have gotten away". Some dumbshits actually are like " Oh, no problem, any time". Switched to the Rooks, it happens over there too. Guess most of the guys on all the teams really suck and have to have the kills handed to them like that, and here I was thinking it was just the Knights.
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The way the graphic engine works here, better to pull the trigger until the con explodes; with that in mind, anyone that wants to shoot something I've shot is perfectly welcome to it. Anyone that catches a good shot at something I've worked for, take it. All I ask is don't jump right in front of me to do it.
DejaVu, I could see where I'd take that guy from you if I was in a postition to do so. After all, there's no way I can tell in a heartbeat what your energy state is. All I can see is there is a guy hanging off your butt. If he's hanging there and he's red, he's a target. Better to go that way than to let him kill you.
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Sorry, tangled with the 13th in just those circumstances- no way you'd hang off if I got the upper hand. You'd maybe stand off until things went sour for your guy, then it'd be 2 vs. 1 real quick. Seriously, all I can remember is all those 51's taking turns making passes, each trying for his piece. Nothing wrong with that, but telling it like it really is from my POV. ;)
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I am always astounded to find that guys can still log into the MA with 450 other armed combatants in it, run around about a third of em while lookin to pick a fight, and then get all huffy when they discover they are not alone.
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OK, I want to vent too,
Tonight, I am buzzing around shooting up tanks and Osties (at roughly the same rate they are shooting me up), haveing a good old time alternateing between the Yak 9T and the IL2. What fun... There are quite a few of us, everyone seems to be in a right hand pattern, it was all very nice. So I roll in on a second pass on this Osty when (name intentionally left blank) starts telling me not to shoot the Osty, its his kill. So anyways I let loose with a volley of 30mm and blow up the osty. I reply on AHV "Say again?" I mean gee whizz, it was my second pass, I had put rounds into it already.
OK whiney vent over.
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Originally posted by AKDejaVu
I've had a fight with before... where I've pulled a perfect rope-a-dope and had the enemy just flopping around 1k below me... only to have a plane swoop in and nail him as he hung there. My thoughts on that... I need to figure out a faster way to get over the top in a rope-a-dope.
Well best way to deal with this is to get yourself a wingman and ten you can alternate on the ropedope and stalling sucker picking bussiness :D Works just excellent for me and Orel... And sometimes we can catch even a big fish like that, can't we Mandoble? :D
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MadBirdCZ, cant get it. I suppose you killed me, right? Maybe in a 190 yesterday with a nearby yak?
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Mandoble: was not yesterday, it was few days ago when Orel was in and we were winging in Tepsests. You was 190 thats right... :) You also made comment on ammount of used lead for the kill on ch. 1 followed by my reply that I have to compensate for my lack of skill witch ammount of lead ;) Unfortunately Orel is still less and less online so I have to die alone nowdays...
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Oh!, I remember,
again, but too much hispano sprayed ;)
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A kills a kill, if the plane is not going down Im going to help it on its way.
It's actually kinda funny sometimes... I was grabbing out of a base in my 110g2 the other day with 2x500kg bombs. There was a fight between a friendly and an enemy spit. I watched the fight as I motored towards them. It went on for a good 2 minutes, it was a damn good fight and It could go either way.
I was still lumbering along, about 170mph, I kept my heading pointed at the fight as it continually lost elevation. As I neared I could see the flow, I tracked the movements of the friendly and as I motored through the fight, I made a very slight course adjustment to put my guns in line with where the friendly just went by me. Sure enough, here comes the spit on the same line and a single squirt cumpled him like a can, then I just kept grabbing on my heading.
It was so casual it was almost ubsurd given the complexity and duration of the fight before my arrival.
The friendly didnt have nice things to say, but war is hell.
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Originally posted by Mudshark
OK, I want to vent too,
Tonight, I am buzzing around shooting up tanks and Osties (at roughly the same rate they are shooting me up), haveing a good old time alternateing between the Yak 9T and the IL2. What fun... There are quite a few of us, everyone seems to be in a right hand pattern, it was all very nice. So I roll in on a second pass on this Osty when (name intentionally left blank) starts telling me not to shoot the Osty, its his kill. So anyways I let loose with a volley of 30mm and blow up the osty. I reply on AHV "Say again?" I mean gee whizz, it was my second pass, I had put rounds into it already.
OK whiney vent over.
Last evening, I was working a GV spawn point with a Typhoon. Along with me were MiG and Booky. We killed at least 25 GVs (I killed one guy no less than 9 times). Our goal was to protect A6. Therefore, there was no competition for kills. If one guy was in a better position for a bomb, rocket or strafing run, the others told him to take the lead. Sometimes you got the kill, other times an assist. Sometimes the results were clearly skewed. MiG puts two 500 pounders right on a Panzer. Nothing. I make a single pass with my Hizookas, the Panzer explodes. I got the kill! Huh? Well, it worked both ways. We were interrupted twice by enemy fighters. MiG and I each received 1 kill and 1 assist where one guy would damage the enemy, and the second finish him. Again, no complaints, teamwork is expected to return these results.
Later, I went to A2 where another horde of GVs were pressing the field. Once again, working as a team, several of us shared in many kills. When one guy had expended his ord, he would spot for the others. I even managed to get a few enemy fighters in the process. Twice, I tried to mark M16s with tracers so that the others could spot them. I rolled in, lined up and gave a short squirt.
Widewing: "Er, guys. I think I marked him too much."
Deacon: "Yeah, so we saw. What the hell are you flying, airborne artillery?"
Widewing: "Just a Tiffy with those mighty Hizookas."
Unknown Rook: "Geez, I gotta go get me one of them!"
This happened both times, so I suppose I marked their graves...
Off topic for a minute.
Last evening I manned a 5" turret on the Rook CV off of A6. During that time, I shot down 21 Bish. That's right, 21. One or two may have been proximity tallys, but the vast majority were clean kills. Am I some kind of super marksman with the 5" gun? No, I'm not. However, the Bish made it very easy by attacking one or two at a time, instead of a mass attack that could overpower the defense. That CV stayed right off of A6 for hours, and was never sunk. Eventually, we captured the field, and rolled back the Bishops much further north. Poor teamwork on the part of the Bish at A6.
My regards,
Widewing
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Wow fester, I’ve seen you complain more than anyone else online about someone stealing your kill and your response is “war is hell”.
Pot? Kettle?
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I've had a fight with before... where I've pulled a perfect rope-a-dope and had the enemy just flopping around 1k below me... only to have a plane swoop in and nail him as he hung there.
Of course what looks like a textbook rope-a-dope to the roper may appear as a textbook drag 'n bag to the bagger. :)
The only pet peeve I have in regards to teammates and kills is when a bunch of teammates join in on a fight. It's not so much the "loss" of the kill that bugs me (although you can't really lose something that you never had, and you don't have a kill until it shows up on the text buffer), but rather the impracticality of having more than one or two additional countrymates all committing to a single enemy. From a tactical standpoint it's just not the smart thing to do.
Otherwise, having a teammate or two jump in to finish things off is not going to bother me. If I wanted to compete against my own teammates, I'd join the other team. ;)
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I've never seen fester complain about gettin' kilt. :confused:
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shit happens in the MA.
it's the team version of a Free for all
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Sheeit! Don't know what ya'll beeatchin' 'bout.
Try wingin' with HBlair and his 30mm Tater gun packin' 109G10.
Don't matter how much ya ping the target if HB's gits one round to hit, he'll git the kill.
I hate Tater guns, lessin' I'm the one usin' 'em
And lemme tell ya, I'm a pretty good vulcher, but when my squaddies are with me and we's vulchin' a field a fella's got ta be pretty damn quick at gettin' the shot off else all ya's end up with is little bitty pieces of the baddie.
Same thing goes thru my mind everytime we vulch a field;
"Ya'll look like a pack o dogs chasin' a three legged cat"
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That went right over my head keiren...one more time pls:)
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If your wingman is even co-alt with a single con, whether or not other bad guys are coming, you'll jump in and help. You are not going to stand off and wait to see if your bud dies. I've fought against the 13th alone, I know how it works. ;)
I am not trying to insult you, but you are not worth your salt as a wingman if you stand around and let your bud die. And, in my experience, I've never had a 13th pilot stand around long enough for me to find out. It's *twist* (avoid the onrushing 51), *twist* (avoid the second one), *swish* (the third one got ya).
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kieren said:
DejaVu, I could see where I'd take that guy from you if I was in a postition to do so. After all, there's no way I can tell in a heartbeat what your energy state is. All I can see is there is a guy hanging off your butt. If he's hanging there and he's red, he's a target. Better to go that way than to let him kill you.
Ah... I've never complained about someone stealing this kill before... and I never will. Its just a simple example where someone can set a con up for someone else to get an easy kill on... and there really shouldn't be any attempt at placing blame on anyone. I just find the idea of someone comlaining about that con being shot to be quite funny.
I'll kill any con that's flying. I'm not a big proponent of "dueling" in the MA... that's what the DA is for.
AKDejaVu
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'xactly right, DJ.
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So one day I just finished splashing a detestable bishrook in a low level duel, as I roll out to look for the next victim a Spit drops right into the pipper a mere 300 ft away.....so being the killer I am I splashed him. That earned me a "FCKN AHOLE" on the country channel, because as it turns out; a friendly P51 was diving in on him.
It's a fight, the goal is to kill the enemy.....and frankly i don't care who does it. I don't set out to cut off a friendly and bag thier bogie. I set out to kill bad guys. Occasionally I might blast a con that a friendly might be drawing a bead on, it happens.....it's happened to me....and I couldn't care less.
So lighten up, play with the team, and try to have a good time...
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The time I am more prone to get on the country channel and comment on someone's decision to shoot a con in front of me is if it is someone that decides it is smart to make an HO pass on a plane that has a friendly right behind it. I usually avoid the k/s incident and usually end up watching the con in front of me and the friendly fall smoking towards the earth.
I'm not complaining because a kill was stolen... It simply amazes me that someone would push such a low % shot as an HO with a friendly right behind the plane.
The wierd thing is... I see this all the time.
AKDejaVu
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Originally posted by hblair
I've never seen fester complain about gettin' kilt. :confused:
I’m not talking about him getting ‘kilt.
I’m talking about his perception in the past of his kills being stolen. That is what I was referring to.
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On the 6 of an IL2 as he is in a fight with errmm one of you knits who has posted above. I am maneuvering to get the shot, I am wthin 300 yrds when the IL2 and the other knit go HO... as I opened fire of course....
Think at least 2 of us went down... me for the KS as the friendly(110) went 'thru' the IL2 into my guns...
I wanted to vent... but held it...
SKurj
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Originally posted by milnko
Sheeit! Don't know what ya'll beeatchin' 'bout.
Try wingin' with HBlair and his 30mm Tater gun packin' 109G10.
Don't matter how much ya ping the target if HB's gits one round to hit, he'll git the kill.
Sounds pretty same to me like if Im winging with Orel... With only 1 exception - with Orel there is no matter what plane he is in... He always lands his 20 kills and I have my 15 assists and 4 kills :rolleyes:
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Originally posted by Fester
A kills a kill, if the plane is not going down Im going to help it on its way.
ROFL
btw greeting FestocitaBot
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The only way to steal a kill is if the guy is allready dead, that means lost a wing, tail or any other vital surface. If he loses half a wing and then you kill him, it's a steal unless he has mannaged to get away from his first persuer.
To get in and get a kill the way you describe, is not a steal, totally legitimate and it's the first guy who gets a shot that wins.
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Originally posted by MadBirdCZ
Sounds pretty same to me like if Im winging with Orel... With only 1 exception - with Orel there is no matter what plane he is in... He always lands his 20 kills and I have my 15 assists and 4 kills :rolleyes:
lol every body know who is the best assistant in AH MadBird :D