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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: Gwjr2 on April 05, 2002, 05:20:13 PM
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heres the 411 right from Boeing (form MD,Douglas)
DB-7/A-20, Boston/Havoc
Attack Bomber
First flight: Aug. 17, 1939
Wingspan: 61 feet 4 inches
Length: 47 feet 7 inches
Height: 17 feet 7 inches
Weight: 19,750 pounds
Power Plant: Two 1,600-hp Wright R-2600-23 engines
Top Speed: 340 mph
Ceiling: 28,175 feet
Range: 1,240 miles
Accommodation: Three crew
Armament: 2,000-pound bomb load, 12 machine guns
good info on prodution and dispersal to other nations see link
(http://www.boeing.com/companyoffices/history/mdc/images/D4C-122746-1.jpg)
Boeing (http://www.boeing.com/companyoffices/history/mdc/havoc.htm)
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Very nice:)
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Important to point out, you have posted info on the G series, whereas the new plane is a Boston III. They have different armament. The Brits used the .303s instead of .50s, and had no power turret. Still gonna be a fun ride.
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yep my book says boston MKIII top speed 342mph
if you look at the picture in news id say we have the 50cal version (only early bostons had 303's (night fighter version MkI)as far as i can see but cant be sure) with 2x50s in rear dorsal and then under cockpit on sides 2x50cals firing forward?.
its gonna be different ;)
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Here is a scan of a similarly-marked bird to the one coming in the next patch. My source, though, says it's a Boston II (AL296) of No. 107 Squadron, based at Great Massingham, Norfolk, in March 1942.
Rocket
AH CPID: Rokkit
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I like it. :)
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Woof:D
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I would like the G model with all the guns in the nose. If we can have all the 109 models, then we can have both Boston A-20 models.
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Or, a C built off of the current variant with one of the Pappy Gun nose mods (I believe a total of 6 .50s, or maybe four, though there were a few 4 Hispanio mods as well) and some skipbombing code :) Nice for those upcoming convoys and a good start on a Bismark Sea Scenario, as well as a Rabaul CT setup.
Charon
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Originally posted by firbal
I would like the G model with all the guns in the nose. If we can have all the 109 models, then we can have both Boston A-20 models.
man this drives me nuts! :) why is it always LW planes that are claimed to have all the varients? (remember theres only 4 or 5 'types' of lw they can model,just think of each as 'one' axis plane then it looks a whole lot better for allies!)
there 5 spits too, 4 f4us too:D
this rant aside im in total agreement! MORE VARIENTS OF ALL PLANES :)
a-20G would be cool. so would an early p38 so we dont have to suffer p38L's in 1942 scenarios!
F4F please!
P51 with alison engine too!(and later H version if it saw combat)
B17 early varient with no nose turret
Ju88G6 with cannons!(or just a newer one!;))
P47 B's and M's or N's
109 K
190 A6 and G1 or D12(30mm nose gun extra armour)
hehe i want them all :D
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Lets get something like Blenhiem or Beaufighter.
The Boston?
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You honestly think the Blenheim is better than the Boston? ;)
Now the Beaufighter you have an argument- few planes carried a heavier armament.
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Originally posted by hazed-
why is it always LW planes that are claimed to have all the varients?
One reason I said this was that I had just read a thread about modeling another 109 model, the K. True there are other aircraft that have more than 1 model. But come on, another 109. I mean they come up with anothe f4u model and perked it. Whats that about? Lets add something differant instead of the same old aircraft type. I would like to see more bombers added. The Mossie and the ME110 are great addions to the game.
I like a couple of your wish list hazed. But it's the same thing for the P47 and '51.
My list for bombers:
HE111
B25
A26
Betty
The 3 engine Itainan (sorry for the misspelling) Bomber.
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I'd like to see at some time in the future:
Ju.87 - B, D and G-1 variants (yes I like the Stuka ;))
He-111 - early war variant especially
Do-17
Beaufighter
The question is, would HTC model the automatic pullout mechanism of the Stuka and has anyone modelled it before?
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who we kiddin? with 2,000 lbs of bombs and armed with .303's it'll be..... ummmmm, ah... kinda like bait?
the 'invader' variant would be a bit more useful, if it had the 4 20mm package. but armed with .50's or .303's, i'd rather take a b26, jug or a hawg. The B26 will haul more iorn at about the same speeds, the jug and the hawg will haul the same payload faster and be able to fight.
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I would not be at all surprised if the A-20 doesn't show up in 1.10 as well.
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The trouble, Hangtime, is that argument can be used against every early war plane you can name. HTC has stated they would look backward at some point in time, it appears now is the time. The A20 was an important bomber throughout the conflict. How could it not be included?
Of course you know there will be variants, including the hard-nosed version.
Of course you know it opens the door to more scenarios. I know you like those.
Yes, it is vulnerable. What a refreshing change! Every time some uber late-war plane gets added, the cries from the "perk-it!" crowd are nearly unbearable. No cries necessary this time.
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Agreed, Kieran.. you are 100% correct. It'll be a great scenario, CT and TOD bird, but pretty much bait in the MA. I guess that's the point I was tryin to make.
I do like seeing the early war plane set being filled in.. would love to see the Val and P40 to name a very few, and the Boston will see a role in any historical matchups.
Of course you know there will be variants, including the hard-nosed version.
I'm guessing we'll only get the one variant on release in 1.10.. Boston III w/ .303's, and thats it. No Invader, no A20, no 20mm equipped hard nosed low level killer of cockroaches.. in other words, a useless airframe for anything in AH other than scenarios or historical matchups. And therin lies the rub with me.. the much looked for variants of a bunch of existing airframes a lot of us would like to see have simply failed to materilize...
where's the norden equipped mossie? the mustang I and III? the early zekes? the early P38's??
I recall there being some coding limitation as to the total numbers allowed in the plane set, I suppose that has a big effect on what gets consideration. Over all, I suppose there's nothin to complain about, the allies have their fair share of hardware to play with, and the axis has all their variants...
...and *sniff* I suppose my griping on 'variants' continues because I mourn over the fediddleed up p51b we got, and the GOOD variants we didn't get. *sigh* oh, keeerist, did we ever get porked on that deal.... a B model that's good at 25k and sucks progessively more wazoo the lower it gets. I'd be happier if they simply withdrew the damn thing and gave us a Mustang III to replace it. ;)
But thats just my sour grapes.. don't let me bleed on yah. :D
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I guess the only relief I can offer is we don't know what other planes will get in next. If we can extrapolate out 3-5 planes (including variants) from past releases, there's bound to be some surprises yet.