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General Forums => Aircraft and Vehicles => Topic started by: RUSH on April 06, 2002, 01:22:21 AM
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I wonder about this plane. I just started flying it and I really love it.
Anyone have any tips on this plane. Seems like it is a decent B&Z plane and it can also mix it up a bit.
Just curious on peoples thoughts and feelings toward this ride.
Plus would you reccomend this ride to a semi-newbie?
RUSH
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Keep it fast, very fast.
It's not that great at altitude, I never bother going higher than 20K.
It takes a while to get up to top speed in level flight, and you're better off leveling out early to get at the fight at top speed than extending the climb and arriving at the fight maybe 3K higher and maybe 100 MPH slower.
It does turn better than most people seem to expect, especialy at speed, but it won't do it for long. If you haven't got the kill in the first circle, dive away and then come back for a second try, don't get tempted to pull one more circle for the kill.
I set convergence on the primary pair of guns quite a bit longer than the other pair specificaly for ack straffing - no need to fire all four at ack.
Rockets don't seem to unbalance the plane much, nor affect top speed noticeably. If you find they do, you're probably flying it a bit too much like a Spitfire - stay faster.
While not a terrific steady state climber, it *is* a terrific zoomer - nothing will catch you going up hill at high speed, and if you're gentle, it's controllable at surprisingly low speeds at the top of the loop.
I think it's a good plane for a newbie - fast, stable and packs a big punch. It's only real weakness is poor roll rate at speed.
I like it :)
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It's a good plane, pretty easy to fly and can run from ALMOST anything down low (where most fights are).
Exelent guns as you've probarly noticed. Best way to use the guns IMO are to fire just 2 at a time, ammo will last alot longer and you still pack one hell of a punch.
It turns good although it's got a nasty snapstall, not much warning between good turning and full stall/spin. Turn slightly better then a 4 gunned 109 A5 though.
Great B&Z plane and use it like that, although it turns good it can't mix it up with spitfires and such so stay fast (it's really really good in high speeds).
You've got the idea of it already pretty good freom what I read in your post. Good B&Z that can mix it up is what it is and although slow roll rate, it's one of the best planes to learn to E fight in.
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Thanks guys. Sounds like after flying it for a week or so I was able to pretty much get the idea. Only thing I need to work on is not using both sets of guns and rely on just a set at a time.
Again thanks
RUSH
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Of course you can use both sets of guns at the same time, most people do, but you get a perfect effect with just two of them aswell, and ammo lasts longer.
If you attack a buff, I sugest you use all 4, both because it kills it faster and because you will hit more :)
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Keep it FAST, stay away of turnfights, watch your fuel! Personaly I have different convergency settings on inner and outer pair of cannons and im using them depending on the target distance... Works for me... ;)
If you learn to master the Tyffie you are going to be a killer in da Tempest! Typhoon is freeware version of Tempest and Tempest is Mr. Death himself :D
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An excellent B&Z plane with a big cannon punch. This plane lost its luster when the LA7 was introduced a while back.
You can expect to be jumped by every LA7 in the area due to the fact that the LA7 is even faster down low and hardly ever compresses. So, plan every B&Z you do in a crowded area to be headed towards friends in the event an LA7 sees your plane. That way your leading him down low into a bees nest of your buddies. Even a few close rounds from a friend will send him packing, and if he's smart he won't follow you into such a situation.
Plan Ahead
Ranger Bob
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Biggest downside is that it bleeds E in turns worse than any fighter. IMHO
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Originally posted by Frost
Biggest downside is that it bleeds E in turns worse than any fighter. IMHO
Sure it does... Its not a turnfighter. See my previous post 'Stay out of turnfights!' :D
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But turnfighting in a Typhoon is so fun :)
and B&Z is so boring ...
I've allways been tunrfighting with her ... not a great way to have a good score ... but I don't care of my score ...
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Frost, fly any 190 and then tell us how the typh bleeds E in turns ...typh is probably one the bests turners at med and hi speeds, comparable to the spit. And an average turner at low speeds.
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I disagree Mandoble after spending the almost all the last tour in D9.
If I end slow I just quick the WEP and voila I can escape easily...
I find her more confortable and usable than the Tyffi.
The only thing missing is the Jabo loadout of the Tyffi :(
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Originally posted by straffo
But turnfighting in a Typhoon is so fun :)
Sure it is ;) But I think that for turnfight in Typhie you need to have some skill in that plane... Actually I like to turn with it too and I already have been called a 'cheater' be few dead pony and other plane drivers who cried all over ch. 1 that there is 'absolutely NO way a Typhoon turns like that...' anytime it happens I have to land because im laughing so hard that SA is none xistant :) Actually does anyone of you takes being called a cheater as an award? :) I do ;)
Note for RUSH:
If you want to learn to fly Typhoon ask Orel or maybe ? Vulcan ? for a training session. Im not sure about Vulcan but Orel is quite dedicated Tyffie driver and what he can do with that plane... He must be 'cheating' :D
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Straffo, i think mandolbe doesnt doubt that the D9 is a good escaper.
He just wanted to express, that the FW190 bleeds E in turns (especially horizontal tur) even faster than the tiffie.
As i always say, if you move a FW190 to the left or right its like driving a car into a massive wall. You will deaccelerate pretty fast. :)
Edit: Yes Vulcan seems to spent some time in tiffie and as far as i can say, he doesnt exellent in it.
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@MadBirdCZ : vulcan is a god in Tyffy
and the initial turn (at speed) in the Typhoon is great but after the first turn things are going bad :D
Stallfighting in Typhoon is thrilling and really fun but pretty bad for your score :D
@Naudet :
// warning : personnal opinion
// warning : no math nor proof in this post
Yep I agree with you 190 are not in the same ligue as the Spit .
When you are out of E in a Tyffi you are IMO in a worst shape than in a D9.
As the D9 accelerate better (IMO of course :))
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Yes, i agree with you in that point. The tiffie can't accel as fast as a Dora.
But you can use a short nose down in the tiffie to get back to manoeuvring speed.
Anyway, i consider it no good idea in any plane to fly it down to stall speed. Only situation i would do that is a hard fought knifefight, were i know i am backuped by 1-2 members of my squad.
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yep stall fighting is a bad abit I have :)
When you can fly more than 15/20 minutes a day (and not every day :() you don't care of survivabilty or strategie you just want to have fun :)
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Flat turn in low speed in the tiffie and it out turnras a Dora without trouble though, it turns with a 190 A5 (even a bit better unless the A5 uses 2 guns)
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straffo, i can usually fly about 45-60 mins a day at the moment.
I made it a habbit to look at it like a "real mission". I look at the map, choose an area of action, jump into my trusty Dora and try to survive till the end of that mission. Most often equals about 45 mins playtime. With a little luck i usually bring 1-3 kills home with me. Log out and say to myself "One more day i survived in the virtual skies". :)
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I'm starting to fly the tiffie again this tour- i haven't really flown it for a few. I love flying this plane for base defense against fleet attacks. After you take off and reach 280mph you're pretty much untouchable against CV A/C. All you have to do is fly in the direction of the cv and shoot whatever crosses your path, then turn around and do same heading towards the base.:D Although it didn't quite work yesterday as all the hangars got knocked out and i was one of the only people left alive. As i attempted to land about 30 cons came to strafe me- i almost made it too.
What i do love about the tiffie is it's 4 hispanos. Some people prefer to only fire 2 cannon at a time but i believe that's throwing away one of the biggest advantages the tiffie has- it's snapshot kill ability. When you fire with 4 cannon there's so much lead in the air you're gonna hit your target. The 4 hispanos almost make up for it's awful roll rate, there's nothing like seeing someone trying to perform a scissors and blasting them as they pass your gunsight while you're flying straight and level.:D
I haven't seen orel in a while, when i first started to fly the tiffie as a fighter a few tours back i met orel in the skies. I was amazed that someone else flew the tiffie as a fighter.:) In that flight we sort of winged together, dragging cons and clearing each other's 6, we both got about 4 or 5 kills. I dunno if orel remembers this but i do cause it was a kinda special event for me cause i met someone else that flew the tiffie.:D
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I fly typh alot, and typically use BnZ tactics. Its great for buzzing furballs!
Against a higher target I try to keep my speed 250+. I turn nose low into his pass, as he gets within about d1.2 I roll wings level and barrel roll across the top of the con watching for the direction he is intending on pulling up. Soon as he starts his pull up I try to let my nose come down across his path, and use all 4 guns for the snapshot.. A hit along the fuselage is usually all it takes... You will hit his engine leaving him smoking, or his cockpit, vaporizing him, or remove the tail +) so all is well.
SKurj
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Originally posted by thrila
I haven't seen orel in a while, when i first started to fly the tiffie as a fighter a few tours back i met orel in the skies. I was amazed that someone else flew the tiffie as a fighter.:) In that flight we sort of winged together, dragging cons and clearing each other's 6, we both got about 4 or 5 kills. I dunno if orel remembers this but i do cause it was a kinda special event for me cause i met someone else that flew the tiffie.:D
Sure he remembers it... Not only he remembers it but he talks about it :) Are you sure you two just winged togedher? :D Unfortunately since he is engaged in a '1 on 1' in RL (umm you know girlfriends and stuff...) he does not fly so often anymore... And when he is online we fly Tempests ;) What else should we do with the perks? Burn them! :cool: And I must say that due Orel's 'perfect' ideas (like to attack higher B-17s and stuff) we manage to burn our perks quite well...
And Snapshots are prolly the most effective weapon of Typhoon...
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I've flown the 190s a fair bit and they don't bleed E in turns as much as the Typh does in my opinion.
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The Typhoon is just like heaven for me.... definitely my main ride and it's good for A2A or A2G sorties..... BnZ or turnfight, it is just one good fun plane to be in!
Keep flying it and have fun RUSH! :)
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Use rudder to assist roll in the Typhoon, especially at low speeds. It's the most underrated plane in the game. 4 great cannon, and if you fly it right nothing except a 262 can catch you.
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Nhaa, think TA152 more underrated, but Tiffie not far from it :)
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Typhs are great for goon hunting. Right before a base is about to fall, charge through a gaggle of 20 or so enemies and nail the goons... It's great sport. :) If you keep your speed up on the run in and DON'T turn, no-one can catch you and you'll get at least a couple of kills each pass as you bounce guys that can't see you against all of the bogeys chasing you.
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Originally posted by thrila
I haven't seen orel in a while, when i first started to fly the tiffie as a fighter a few tours back i met orel in the skies. I was amazed that someone else flew the tiffie as a fighter.:) In that flight we sort of winged together, dragging cons and clearing each other's 6, we both got about 4 or 5 kills. I dunno if orel remembers this but i do cause it was a kinda special event for me cause i met someone else that flew the tiffie.:D
Greeting THRILA my old friend
i remember that day pretty well.. it was nice winging with you
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Originally posted by MadBirdCZ
Sure he remembers it... Not only he remembers it but he talks about it :) Are you sure you two just winged togedher? :D Unfortunately since he is engaged in a '1 on 1' in RL (umm you know girlfriends and stuff...) he does not fly so often anymore... And when he is online we fly Tempests ;) What else should we do with the perks? Burn them! :cool: And I must say that due Orel's 'perfect' ideas (like to attack higher B-17s and stuff) we manage to burn our perks quite well...
And Snapshots are prolly the most effective weapon of Typhoon...
well i had about 25 kills in 1 sortie about last week, so i guessed that im close to be GODlike ... so i try to attack higher B26 from 6 OC and he turned me back on old the old way ...... w/o wings down :D
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Originally posted by Eaglecz
well i had about 25 kills in 1 sortie about last week, so i guessed that im close to be GODlike ... so i try to attack higher B26 from 6 OC and he turned me back on old the old way ...... w/o wings down :D
25?! :eek:
well guys you see that Orel's ideas are sometimes just excelent! :D But I suppose everyone has his weak days... Few days ago some 109 tried to attack my Ki-67 from High-6... So I thought cool! Some dweeb to try the upper 20mm on :) So I shred him to pieces... SYSTEM: You shot down Ecke :eek: And yesterday I was ruling the skies in 109G-10 and had racked 7 kills already when I saw a lower B-26... Muahaha you gonna die you buff dweeb flashed through my brain as I dived on him... ehm... from his High-6 :rolleyes: He creamed me pretty well... But I got him too... We were both hanging on chutes about 50 yards away... :D If we had sidearms modeled (M1911 would be nice) I would kill his chute :p
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Heya orel
Having a great time in the tiffie this tour- i seem to be getting kills left, right and centre. I even shotdown HT:D he even said what a nice rope it was.
I dunno what's up with me this tour but i seem to be really lucky when i need to be.:) The amount of times i've checked my 6 just as a con is diving on me, or a squadmate has helped me out in the nick of time etc....
I'm having lots of fun punishing rooknits with 4 hispanos this tour.:p
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Tiffy is very simple to fly..
Although good for B&Z i rarely use as such. Love to T&B with it. Use lots of rudder for any kind of turns or rolls. Use its stall to your advantage. Stall & rudder can give you a quik turn and instant lead shot. This leaves people scratchin there heads askin, How that Tiffy out turn my Spit.
She take time to get back to speed on the deck, again use the slow speed and stall on deck to let the 190s over shoot then roll out for a quik shot on them.
Some one mentioned not to take her over 20k.. Dont take her over 15k. I travel between 10k & 15k and use her as bait. Ill give any hi con my 6 and work them down to the deck.
It was mentioned that the La7 can give the tiffy a hard time, this is true, but work on the over shoots and youll start popin La7s in no time. Still be wary if alone and you have La7s around. No other planes you really need to worry bout.
Dog out..........
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The Typhoon is a great plane but it's one that requires to you be a have a bit better than average skills to get the most out of. It tends to surprise a lot of people with it's speed down low, high speed turn rate, and cannons. Then again, it rolls like a pig, accelerates slowly, and La7s can catch them given enough time. It's a real BnZ bird where you MUST keep your speed high or you'll get caught too easily. Try and plan you actions just that little bit sooner in a Typhoon than in an La7. Realize that little bit earlier that you need to leave, or change tactics.
I've always loved the Typhoon, before the roll rate reductions it was even better, but it is still a fine bird.
-Soda
The Assassins.
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what's the typhoon? it's a retarded tempest :)
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It's a retarded tempest, but it's also the best non-perked fighter the RAF has modelled in AH.
Orel i dunno what you did to me but after seeing you in MA last but i wasn't good. 10 mins after saying hi to you i got chased by 5 cons and got shotdown (although 2 of them killshootered themselves:D ). The sortie after that i was going for a front quarter shot on a p51 when he warped from d500 to d200 towards me. Needless to say i rammed the poxy thing!!!:mad:
Whatever you did don't do it again!!!:D
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Originally posted by thrila
Whatever you did don't do it again!!!:D
i were taling about our mission at Mindanao on the northern coast
and it was loooong time ago .. i think it was our first meeting :)
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Hmm its strange..... I always thought its only happening to me. You know that think with flying OK killing everything at will... And then, all of the sudden Orel enters the arena and from that moment on I just keep on dying.... and dying... ? Seems like Orel brings some negative vibrations to the arena... :D :p
Hey! Typhoon is not retarded!!! Its just a freeware version of Tempest thats all... Something like 'try before you buy' :)
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I miss the 1.02 typhoon . I would rack up great kill streaks in it and I very rarely ever saw another typhoon in the air. Also at that time it was the fastest plane on the deck .