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General Forums => Aircraft and Vehicles => Topic started by: Sachs on April 07, 2002, 02:00:28 PM
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Adding the ME-410. We got a taste of teh 110 and I love it personally. Would love to see the 410 added. Please please please add this plane someday.... Very soon.
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Please please please please, and maybe a He219 ;)
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Enough with the German crap please :) Its time the U.S. gets some of its more well-deserved aircraft. Heres how it needs to go:
B25
F4f
SBD
P40
*Insert a few junky japanese aircraft here*
*Insert 1 or 2 junky Russian aircraft here*
*Insert German aircraft which is considered mass produced (in reality only ~7 were made) here*
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Originally posted by Wilbus
Please please please please, and maybe a He219 ;)
Typical armament for this plane was....;)
6 x 30mm Mk 108 cannons and 2 x 20mm MG 151/20 cannons:D :D :D
Would be good night/day fighter to game:)
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I was under the impression the usual armnament on the He-219 was 2x30mm firing forward+2x20mm firing forward, and 2x20mm firing upward and forward at 45 degrees (that funky German phrase is Schsdarpaher Muaisddfgjfuhifdh) or something like that lol.
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Scrages Musk, Scrages Musk
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its Schrage Musik.....which i believe means slanting music
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Dont you think maybe the Germans and the US cup runith over? I love German stuff but I think maybe Japan and Italy and Russia nead a little love.
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this would be a good time to practice my hijacking skills. Please forgive my insolence...
hmmm, please bring the P-47M to AH.
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<<>> -Brady
In the case of the USA, NOPE! The USA was a monster at production and fought in two theaters which included USAF and carrier-borne aircraft as well as a great many large and medium bombers. This trying to be PC and dole out aircraft additions evenly among the countries is ridiculous and only hurts the plane-sets for the theaters in the long run.
I do agree with you that we need more Japanese aircraft. I personally find the early-war Pacific most interesting and would hope to see a concentration on that. But this includes USA once again and my choices would be: F4F, SBD, P38F/L, P-40, A6M2 and 3 (clipped tip), Val, Kate, Oscar and maybe even an F6F-3 with the 3-tone paint because it's so cool (no, beautiful) and a personal favorite and imo so much more interesting than an overall dark blue scheme like we have for the F6F-5.
Let's get those planes that would really assist with "themes" and not worry about the fairness of where they come from.
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Originally posted by Steven
In the case of the USA, NOPE! The USA was a monster at production and fought in two theaters which included USAF and carrier-borne aircraft as well as a great many large and medium bombers. This trying to be PC and dole out aircraft additions evenly among the countries is ridiculous and only hurts the plane-sets for the theaters in the long run.
Yes, exactly. Let's remove all planes except 109 and IL-2 and be done with it. Unbelievable PC roadkill having so many different planes in the set when only those two have production figures that really stand out. Come to think of it, it'd be really helpful to HTC, who could concentrate fully on improving all the other aspects of the game. Also, look at all the scenario possibilities: doing the "Schwarm's of 109's come down upon the helpless IL-2 hordes" would probably become more interesting by each iteration. This is what you were hoping for, wasn't it?
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Nice pic of the 219's, I wonder abouts its usefulness in the MA however. I think it would be fairly useless in a dogfight unless you got in front of it.
It's firepower may preclude it to mud-moving role, or the lucky Buff kill.
However plenty of Bf110 pilots are doing plenty of killing in the MA, so you can never tell.
I would prefer a Ju88C/G in the NJG role.
Bring on the Me-410, and a RAAF/RNZAF P-40E/N !
Tronsky
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There were so many different armement options for the He219 that the RLM asked Heinkel to make them fewer, what I've read as normal was always the 2x20mm in wing roots + 2-4 30mm in fuselage, either Mk108 or Mk103 (both were used). First combat sortie the He219 flew a single plane shot down 5 lancaster at night, was the first (only?) plane (except 262 maybe) to intercept and shoot down night bombing/fighting mosquitos.
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Originally posted by Wilbus
There were so many different armement options for the He219 that the RLM asked Heinkel to make them fewer, what I've read as normal was always the 2x20mm in wing roots + 2-4 30mm in fuselage, either Mk108 or Mk103 (both were used). First combat sortie the He219 flew a single plane shot down 5 lancaster at night, was the first (only?) plane (except 262 maybe) to intercept and shoot down night bombing/fighting mosquitos.
11.06.43..... Werner Streib scored 5 British heavy bombers in timespan of 30 mins at first combat flight and ten days later 20 british bombers , including 6 mosquitoes was shot down in six sorties by He 219s.
He219/A7
Max speed 416 mph (670km/h)
Initial climb 1,804 ft (550m)/min
Service ceiling 41,660 ft (12,700m)
Range 1,243 miles (2,000km)
Empty 24,692 lb (11,200 kg)
Loaded 33,730 lb. (15,200 kg)
With full armament, fuel and radar with huge Hirschgeweih (stag's antlers) dipole aerial array, plane speed was only 311 mph (500 km/h) at 26,247 ft (8000 m).
He219/A7 was equipment with FuG 218 Neptun radar (range 120m to 5000 m + "Check 6" tail warning ), FuG 101 altimeter ,Lichtenstein SN-2 radar (range 300 m to 4000 m and tail warning feature) and FuBl 2F an airfield blind approach receiver. Uhu was a two-seater heavy night-fighter, cabin was pressurized and heavily armored, pilot and navigator sat back to back on the world´s first ejection seats.
He 219 was the only night-fighter able to deal with the Mosquito, Ju 88G and Me 110 G4 was only capable of catching the lancaster and halifax. Planes which could easily shoot down mosquito was Me 262 b, Arado 234 B-2/N Nachtigall (nightingale) and Me 262 B-1a/U1 night fighter with FuG 218 Neptun V and FuG 350 ZG “Naxos” radars but only 12 planes were build.
Armament
He 219A-2/R1
Two 20mm MG 151/20 in wing roots.
Two or Four 20mm MG 151/20 in belly tray.
Two 30mm Mk 108 in Shräge Musik mount.
He 219A-7/R1
Two 30mm Mk 108 in wing roots.
Two 20mm MG 151/20 and two 30mm MK 103 in belly tray.
Two 30mm Mk 108 in Shräge Musik mount.
100 rds per gun
He 219A-7/R2
Two 30mm Mk 108 Cannon in wing roots.
Two 20mm MG 151/20 and two 30mm MK 108 in belly tray.
Two 30mm Mk 108 in Shräge Musik mount.
100 rds per gun
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I'd love to see the Me410. It's probably all I'd ever fly if it was introduced. We have enough German planes for now though (IMO).
Also have more than enough US planes.
Really need some more Japanese/Soviet stuff.
H8K
Ki84
J2M
Tu2
Yak3
Mig3
Pe8
LaGG3
and early PTO stuff:
F4F
SBD
Val
Kate
A6M2
Just my 2 cents
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Now that would be a cool plane. Me 410, of course. I cannot but see a 110G-2 as a poor substitute for the 410.
Still missing the MK 103s ;(
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Originally posted by Hristo
Now that would be a cool plane. Me 410, of course. I cannot but see a 110G-2 as a poor substitute for the 410.
Still missing the MK 103s ;(
Ok.... here we have Messerschmitt Me 410 Hornisse "Hornet"
Max speed 388 mph (625 km/h) at 21,980 ft (6700 m)
Me 410A-1/U2
four 20 mm MG 151/20 cannons
two 7.92 mm (0.31 in) MG 17 mgs
two 13 mm (0.51 in) MG 131 machine guns in remotely controlled rear firing barbettes
2000 kg (4400lb) bombs
4x210 mm WGr21 Rockets
Ruestatz external packs housing
two 20 mm MG 151/20 or two30 mm Mk 108 or two Mk 103 cannons
Me 410A-1/U4 (specialized bomber/destroyer)
armament
BK5 50 mm cannon (21 rds)
two 7.92 mm (0.31 in) MG 17 mgs
two 13 mm (0.51 in) MG 131 machine guns in remotely controlled rear firing barbettes
4x210 mm WGr21 Rockets
Me 410A-2/U4 (bomber/destroyer)
BK5 50 mm cannon (21 rds)
two Mk 108 cannons
two 13 mm (0.51 in) MG 131 machine guns in remotely controlled rear firing barbettes
4x210 mm WGr21 Rockets
Some pilots fitted as many as eight MG 151s, all firing ahead :D
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That's Schräge Musik , babelfish says that's "bevel music" in english - it means badly played music. Pronounciation: shraege muzeek .
IIRC, FW190 could mount 2xMK108 in Schräge Musik configuration... just the right thing for those turn-like-crazy Spitfires.
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yes yes yes and while you're at it add a Ta-154 "Moskito" as perk :-D
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Schräge-Musik means "Slanting Music" or "Jazz Music".
Ta-154 "Moskito" would be cool plane just like Arado 243 b2.
Heres few other weapons to fw190 againts those turning spits...;)
SG 113 Zellendusche - 3-tube battery based on the MK 103 cannons mounted in the rear fuselage. Firing was made by a photosensor impulse.
SG 117 Zellendusche - 6-tube modification of the previously described battery.
Rohrblock 108 - similar construction with 7 tubes based on the elements of the MK 108 cannon, fired by photosensor impulse. Probably, it consisted only of MK 108 cannons barrels with a single cartridge; after firing of the first barrel others were fired automatically by the recoil force of previous barrel. This kind of armament was used for bombers interception and was tested on the Fw 190A-8.
SG ? Harfe - set of 3-4 15-barrel, unguided 20 mm missile launchers mounted in the rear fuselage on both sides. At least one prototype plane had such armament and was presented to Gen. Adolf Galland.
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Forget America, we need more Luftwaffe material!
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Sage,
I cannot tell if you were sarcastic towards me or supporting me.
As for fighters, should each theater of operations be somewhat even between the combatants? Similar number of LW, USA, Russian and Brit aircraft in ETO? What about PTO?...similar USA and Japanese aircraft in the PTO so the fights are balanced? If that's the case, then overall, we will end up having more USA aircraft plain and simple. Japan didn't fight in Europe and the LW didn't fight in the Pacific but the USA fought in both theaters. In addition to that, take into account the medium and heavy bomber situation and the USA had many, many airframes. I personally think it's important to work on "themes" or theaters and stuff. The USA is doing just fine in terms of a theater split up. I do think we need more Japanese and I'd definitely make my vote for working on early war airframes now.
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Me410 YEAH YEAH YEAH i want it, i want it sooo bad, but ...
i think first we need more japanese and russian planes :( and ...
the P40 :(
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Spit 21 to AH! :)
I like Me 410 though. :)
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