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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: weazel on April 07, 2002, 02:10:41 PM
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Shrub stated he expects a withdrawal "without delay, meaning now."
Sharon refused......
Good allies aren't they?
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allies. not puppets.
It would be like Israel telling the US to help them against THEIR enemies.. and the US refusing to intervene. Kinda like what happened in all their wars with arab neighbors.
Are you good allies? See things through their eyes, not yours.
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Originally posted by Tac
allies. not puppets.
It would be like Israel telling the US to help them against THEIR enemies.. and the US refusing to intervene. Kinda like what happened in all their wars with arab neighbors.
Are you good allies? See things through their eyes, not yours.
The more I try to see thru their eyes the more disguisted I am.
Allies. They can refuse to obey commands, because they are not puppets. Yet they live off the billions of dollars we send.
Who's the puppet.
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Do you really think we send billions of dollars to anyone just because?
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only israel it seems gets this treatment and if not just because. i shudder to think of the whys.
why do we spend billions upon billions each year on them ? why are israeli state bonds backed up by the us federal funds? name one other country that gets that kind of treatment? you realize eventualy the arab states are gonna get decent tech and since they outnumber them 50 to one and live to destroy isreal, isreal is gonna fall. i for one want nothing to do with them. and this sentiment seems to be getting stronger these days. let them form their own destiny, they made their bed let them lay in it.
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Originally posted by Kieran
Do you really think we send billions of dollars to anyone just because?
Thats the question our goverment seems to be asking themself, and thats why they are now trying to get hard on Israel. Its like a spoiled child country.
We'll send uncle Powell to talk some sense to them, but the child just drags himself around the floor yelling "NO! NO! NOOOOOOOOOOOOO!"
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In the good republican fashion, they should give the money back to people and let those who care send it to Izrael.
Right Rip ? :)
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Those people will only listen if you do something that affects their pocketbook. Threaten to cut some of their billions and billions of US aid that they use to buy all those nice military toys. That will wake them up real quick.
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they should give the money back to people and let those who care send it to Izrael.
Fd for president. :)
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Originally posted by fd ski
In the good republican fashion, they should give the money back to people and let those who care send it to Izrael.
Right Rip ? :)
Them and alot of other orgs/countries are tax dollars go without our knowledge & consent ...
I think the Israeli's are draggin their feet til they complete THEIR mission to THEIR satisfaction. Considering it was THEIR citizens being blown up on a daily basis, I think they have that right.
Then, maybe with big fanfare, Israel will heed to Bush's "demand" and withdraw maybe improving our image ever so slightly with the moderate arabs - if such an arab still exists...
Amazin how the Palestine bombings stopped cold when the "invasion" proceeded in full force..
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Originally posted by funkedup
Those people will only listen if you do something that affects their pocketbook. Threaten to cut some of their billions and billions of US aid that they use to buy all those nice military toys. That will wake them up real quick.
Something ol' shrubbie doesn't seem to have, maybe if he was a 2nd term lame duck president it would happen, but I wouldn't wager on it. ;)
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"The more I try to see thru their eyes the more disguisted I am."
Easy to say since you havent lived in such a situation. Morality is a luxury.
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eagler are you suggesting that the threat of death scared suicide bombers away ? what the hell form of logic do you use?
im shure the invasion of japan would have scared thos popsicle kamikasi to death.
"no sir im not going on with my suicide attack i might get killed" lol
its just silly
do you ever examin your own thoughts or did somone write them down for you ?
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ldv
I was stating a fact
how long has it been since the last moron blew him/herself up?
how long has this last Israeli action been going on?
never said the idiots weren't afraid to die :rolleyes:
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5 days, Eagler- but there's also a curfew in place and the Palestinian border is virtually sealed. Once Israel is done converting more Arabs in general and Palestinians in perticular to the Terrorist cause through their use of excessive force then it'll be business as usual- more bombings, more death.
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why do we spend billions upon billions each year on them ? why are israeli state bonds backed up by the us federal funds? name one other country that gets that kind of treatment?
Someoene stated on CNN: Israel gets $6 billion/year from US.
Egypt gets $4 billion.
Hmmmm....
Oh no...that must be the dirty jew controlled media
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litle boots said
"Someoene stated on CNN: Israel gets $6 billion/year from US.
Egypt gets $4 billion.
Hmmmm....
Oh no...that must be the dirty jew controlled media"
nice statistic but totaly misleading if you look at the size of the friggin country like population ?
egypt has a population of 66 million (98 census) at 4 billion works out to 60.00 a head.
isreal has a population of 6.4 million (18 percent of that is arab) so we are talkin about the 5.2 million jews who have full rights. we spend about 1150.00 each year on every single jewish citizen.and there is alot of hiddin aid that dosent go on the books ( like us backing up their bonds )
so $60 a head for egyptions
and $1150 a head for israelis
this dosent begin to include all aid anyway. i say again why do they get special treatment? more than 17 percent of the entire foreign-aid expenditure is on them alone so the whole world gets 37 billion and isreals cut is 6 billion
soooooo figgure there are 6 billion or so non americans on earth to get all that aid , ya with me here ? we give out 37 billion dollars total if you divide it equaly you get about 6 bucks and change. since alot of these people are in countrys who dont need or want our aid the egyption figgure dosent suprise me much
how come israelis get 1150 ? if you cant answer it fine but we seem to be funding a rouge state "just because" is getting old
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if you cant answer it fine but we seem to be funding a rouge state "just because" is getting old
How many times have Israel attacked Egypt?
And how many times has it happened the other way around?
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Aid to Egypt started after they made peace with Israel, as a reward.
Paying off Israels enemies should really count as aid for Israel, if you're counting.
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most egyptians live in poverty anyway so that 60 bucks is worth a lot. Granted the actual dollar amount that reaches the citizens is minscule.
The israelis are only our friends as long as the check dont bounce. It has always been a onesided relationship. The question is if we took 2/3s of the money going to israel and redistributed it to the palestinians what would be the result?
I mean if we were to make arafat or who who ever dependent apon us money would we get any more influence there then what we get with sharon?
My personal feelings are just cut the money off give it back to the hard working americans who earned it. There are enough charities and organizations that if folks want to help Israel let them come out of there pocket.
this government doesnt have the sac to say the hell with israel.
Oh well..............
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Do you guys really believe we can just close our eyes and let the Middle East explode? Do you not understand the effect it would have, and the inevitable world conflict that would ensue? This isn't black and white, though I wish it was.
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we seem to be funding a rouge state
:D
Oh, you meant rogue state. :p
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Originally posted by Nashwan
Paying off Israels enemies should really count as aid for Israel, if you're counting.
If one accepts that view, then the lack of (or stopping of) aid to Israel should count as aid to Israeli enemies? A reward to Israel's enemies for being Israel's enemies? ;)
I view it more like "buying off" immature, misbehaving children with presents or toys in order to get better behavior out of them.
Yeah, it works... for a while. Eventually the day of reckoning comes anyway.
And both the Araba and Israeli parties to this sitituation over there seem to misbehave as immature children do.
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Originally posted by fd ski
In the good republican fashion, they should give the money back to people and let those who care send it to Izrael.
Right Rip ? :)
Personally, I've always felt that our tax money going overseas should have been examined and re-assessed along time ago. Why it hasn't been is something we all should question our congressmen and senators about...
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Someone please educate me....exactly how do the US send all of those billions to Israel? I don't think they send a cheque for $6.0 billion..do they? Isn't this figure derived from a trade deficit on behalf of Israel? If so, this suggests that Israel is not actually "taking" tax dollars at all...more that there is a large "accounts receivable" on the books of the US, which simply is adjusted based on trade with Israel for all goods and services traded at a national level and also for INTEREST on that deficit. Much like the trade deficit the US has with Japan!
If this IS the case...and I cannot state for a fact that it is....then this thread is alot about nothing.
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Egypt has been in the pockets of the Soviet Union for quite a while and now that their help is all gone, the USA is supposed to make up for that slack? I don't think so.
It probably costs more to keep Israel sovereign and alive since all neighbors are out for its extermination. If it was only Egypt sharpening its claws, I bet our aid to Israel would be less. But it's not just Egypt, but every single neighbor and beyond. That does get expensive. A strong Israel means an alive Israel.
Why don't the Palestinians blow themselves up in Jordanian shopping malls? Because this isn't about land!
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If one accepts that view, then the lack of (or stopping of) aid to Israel should count as aid to Israeli enemies? A reward to Israel's enemies for being Israel's enemies?
In the same way that a tax cut is a "handout", and benifits are "entitlements".
Or in the same way that America "aided" the Nazis in 1939 and 40.
I don't think they send a cheque for $6.0 billion..do they? Isn't this figure derived from a trade deficit on behalf of Israel?
I'm pretty sure the figure is lower than 6 billion, somewhere between 3 - 4 billion iirc.
The money is given partly in cash, partly in military equipment, technology transfers etc.
It is definately aid though, not like a trade deficit.
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Originally posted by fd ski
In the good republican fashion, they should give the money back to people and let those who care send it to Izrael.
Right Rip ? :)
That's a great idea :) Only I wouldn't stop only at Isreal. I think we should stop and re-think about who we give aid too. Alot of the countries we give money to have state controlled media that keeps the population pissed at the ones giving them the cash. Why should they get any money?
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Radio: Israel to Begin West Bank Pullout in Hours (http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/nm/20020408/ts_nm/mideast_dc_1381&cid=578)
Hope it's slow and they take a few more of the nutbags down before they are totally out ....
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Eagler: The righteous Israelis are pulling back! I hope they take as many worthless, meaningless Palestinian lives as they can while they do it! W00T, GO ISRAEL. After all, we all know that the only way to succeed against those bad people is to kill them, thus making them too afraid to strike back!
Joe Palestinian: The vile Israelis are pulling out at last! I will take myself, along with as many of their worthless, meaningless, evil lives as I can! They will not give to us what is rightfully ours, and will not stop their offenses against us. They have always been evil, and always will be. The only way to succeed against them is to destroy them! I have no other choice. Allah! I will be avenged! *BOOM*
Sharrone: Our noble Israelis have been killed by the vile Arabs! We will fight back and destroy them. The only way to succeed against these animals is to destroy them. Fear not, Children of Israel, you will be avenged!
John Palestinian: (see above, Joe palestinian)
Eagler: (See above, Eagler)
Hmm, I think I see a common theme here, and the problem is coming from every direction. I'm so glad that you can see the death of more Palestinians as a contribution to the solution in the region, Eagler. You obviously have a firm grasp of what is involved here, and what is necessary to "win" the day. After all, though the deaths of countless Israelis and Palestinians has, up to this point, had no beneficial effect whatsoever (and actually been detrimental), there's no reason to give up now! You know what they say: if at first you don't succeed, try, try again!
Tard.
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Look everyone knows the problem will be solved as soon as enough people are killed......
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ispar
nah, just leave the bomber makers alone
don't raid the places they are creating them or destroy the materials needed to make them or arrest or kill the leaders who organize the confused youth into becoming the nutbag bombers
just leave, if the Israeli's just leave town, the Palestines will go back to their peace loving ways :rolleyes:
When I have a mound of fire ants in my yard and I just leave it, I have two or three mounds by next weekend. And they will sting me and mine as that is all they know. When I find a mound, I kill it. Yep, I built my house on land that the ants had before I moved there. Think I'm gonna up and move because of that? The Palestine crazies to me deserve the same. They will never stop, it seems until they die - one way or another.
Again, the Israelis aren't doing anything the US wouldn't do given the same set of circumstances..
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Wow, Israelli actions make quite a bit of sense if you are just willing to look at Palestinians as ants :D
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Well now it's easier to understand Eagler's thoughts about crise in middle east.
btw afair Zyklon-B was meant to use against insects, not sure thought...
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Isreal is fighting for what they percieve as thier survival...they feel the other option will only leave them open to anthor holocaust. They have no faith in the "world order".... they saw how far this got them in WW2 w/the Nazies.
The PLO and its people are certainly a trod down, repressed group/race. What they dont see is that everytime an attempt to push thier political agenda vie terrorism vrs Isreal and its allies they simply stiffen the Isrealies.
I have a question... if the Arab world has such wealth and influnce in certian cases why do the Pala's live in such squalor? Also..arent most of the refuge camps in Arab states? Why is it that during the most promising moments of the talks..when Isreal was close to giving land away that the hardcore miltant groups struck and continued to strike???
I'll sum it up..it is NOT in the interest of factions such as Humas(sp?) and thier counterparts for peace. They'll lose power and influnce.
Isreal is in the wrong as well in many area's. They themselves have aggravated the situation by allowing settlements in disputed lands. Then again to many of the Arab world the entire nation of Isreal is in dispute....
xBAT
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Originally posted by Staga
Well now it's easier to understand Eagler's thoughts about crise in middle east.
btw afair Zyklon-B was meant to use against insects, not sure thought...
Never said the general pop. Only the ones who carry, build, train, finance & detonate bombs against women and children. These ppl are crazy in my book and deserve no better treatment than exstinction. Before there nutcase ways become common place in my country. Carry a bomb, you die. Simple.
But thanks for taking it out of context ...
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Batdog, that's more or less the point I was trying to make. Who initiates things isn't really clear, though it's probably safe to that it's Palestinians who want revenge for grievances. When they bomb a bus, than Israel responds with reprisals, and kills a bunch of the nutcases, along with whatever innocents happen to be in way (after all, all Palestinians look alike, as far as they are concerned... those with guns are given special preference, though). All this accomplishes is making that many more Palestinians ready to strap a bomb under their shirts and go sacrifice themselves in the name of revenge. Blood cries out for blood. Killing more Palestinians hasn't done any good in the past, and it won't work now.