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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Eagler on April 08, 2002, 09:13:18 PM
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I feel for the victim, but hope they don't get a stinking dime
Why don't they sue AA for not have a cyrstal ball and seeing the attack b4 it happened? :rolleyes:
American Air Sued in WTC Attack (http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/nm/20020408/bs_nm/attack_lawsuit_dc_1&printer=1)
I think if the security was tight enough to prevent the attack, this type of individual would be sueing the airlines for the inconvience, hardship and stress such measures would put on the traveler.
All about the almighty $$$ ....
"... unspecified punitive damages for the terror, pain and suffering, wrongful death and economic loss. "
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Fugging parasite, I hope he gets zip.
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How pathetic. How can one person be so selfish to think that they deserve $50 million because his wife had good insurance and he won't get any money from the government?
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Hell they guy is probably glad his wife got squashed and wants to the money so he can keep a harem of young, good looking women.
Talk about a frivolous law suit... where do these people come from??
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At first glance I thought, "What an amazinhunk..."
But... the suit does highlight a problem. The Victims Compensation Fund (http://www.usdoj.gov/victimcompensation/) was a bad idea. Look at all the forms and tables and charts. All you need to do is itemize your pain and prove you're too underprivileged to do anything about it.
The U.S. government should just get out of the charity business.
What they really ought to do is take all that siezed Al-Queda money and dispurse that to the victims equally.
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At second glance he's an amazinhunk too.
I dunno Sandman, what is wrong with compensating victims? We have compensation funds for crime victims. The only problem I see is that this guy is getting money from another source, so he feels slighted. What a scumwad. Lets give him the actual out of pocket premiums he paid, then the standard compensation amount everyone else without insurance is getting. What? You say his wifes company paid for the insurance? So he gets squat. And no more than any other poor soul. The only reason for this suit is to keep this dipchit in the money.
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Originally posted by midnight Target
At second glance he's an amazinhunk too.
I dunno Sandman, what is wrong with compensating victims? We have compensation funds for crime victims.
Compensation is fine except for one thing. Charities ASK me for money. They don't TAX me for it.
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The NYFD firefighters have sued NYC for failing to provide adequate breathing protection. NYFD Firefighters have also sued over copyright violations of photos taken of a "flag hoisting." The cop who sang in the 9/11 memorial ceremony has captalized on the exposure to release albums, tapes and cd's. And don't forget all the souveniers being sold, the silk pillows of the NY skyline, the posters and flags.
I'm sure there are many other law suits related to the 9/11 attacks. HUNDREDS of law suits are still pending from the 1993 WTC attack. Everybody is suing everybody. I'm not surprised. Just disgusted.
I'm not saying that people don't have a right to sue, or that people don't have a right to try to make a living. I'm just saying that people and their lawyers are so pathetically disappointing at times.
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What is wrong with this lawsuit?
Hell if my wife was killed because an airline had shoddy security you bet your bellybutton I would sue the hell out of them.
Just because he has money doesn't mean he can't be compensated for his loss.
Nor does this chart telling him how much his wife was worth to him based on his income and insurance make any sense.
It shouldn't matter if he had money or not the result is the same..people died because ariport security sucked.
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people died because ariport security sucked.
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People died because 19 Arabs were willing to commit suicide in order to crash airplanes into the WTC and Pentagon.
No level of security can prevent suicide-murder so we might just as well shut down civilian aviation.
If I were King...well hell, I aint king so it dont matter.
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Airport security has always sucked. It sucks now, even after 9/11.
People died because a group finally decided to exploit this truth.
Eventually, more people will die because the truth remains true.
Enjoy.
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Heya Toad, What would make airports more secure, or is it even possible now? They've discussed putting more secure doors on cabins to protect flight crews, and since you fly I'm curious about your opinions on what would make your job safer?
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Originally posted by Elfenwolf
Heya Toad, What would make airports more secure, or is it even possible now? They've discussed putting more secure doors on cabins to protect flight crews, and since you fly I'm curious about your opinions on what would make your job safer?
Not Toad but:
I'd gas the cabin & wake the passengers up when the plane has arrived at the gate :)
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I'd check the malpractice level for general anesthesia. My guess is that it would cost the airlines far too much when a few of the passengers don't wake up.
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Elf,
Right now, I'd say they have improved "airport security" over what it was before. It was almost "absent without leave" before 9/11.
Most of the improvements, however, have come in the area of searching and ID'ing passengers. I presently agree with the President of JetBlue who says the real problem is now "beneath the wing".
In short, Fuelers, Caterers, Aircraft Cleaners... these are all "contracted out" services now. Rarely do these folks work for an actual airline. Instead they work for the subcontractor who can supply an adequate "decent" (note: not flawless) service for the cheapest possible price.
Now, like the subcontracted Airport Security people, who do you think you get for the lowest possible price? What kind of security screening of these "lowest possible price" workers do we get when we pay the "lowest possible price"?
If I were interested in wreaking havoc on an aircraft now, I'd simply infiltrate my "martyrs" into one of these organizations and have them plant explosives or damage aircraft components. It would take some thinking and planning but the odds of them getting caught would favor my plan, I think.
As for inflight... the number of Air Marshals stuff.. there still isn't any "inflight security" and there never will be because we can't afford to put that many Air Marshals out there. You've got pilots willing to undergo similar training (based on defending the cockpit as a last resort) and pay for it themselves and do it on their own time. However, the Bush administration is opposed to that and it isn't going to happen.
So, you're left with a very few Air Marshals (relatively); instead they offer you a "better cockpit door". Whatever.
Anyway, that's my current .02 at present.
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I'd heard security on internal US flights was lax to the point of insanity. I was amazed at some of the things I was reading - basic commonsense precautions which were waived for pure passenger convenience.
But then who could have predicted Sept. 11th.
I guess I'm pretty used to the tight security at airports over here, instigated because of the threat of terrorism. Having said that, it is still breachable - Heathrow has been robbed twice in the last 12 months and both times the crims had access to the flightline. It's a very difficult problem to solve.
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This talk about security reminds me of my pre-engineering Unix Admin days. (not to hijack or anything, all in good fun)
HeadHoncho- We need to make these systems more "Secure" Mr. Azar. Is it true we have Telnet and FTP enabled on these systems.
Me (Mr. Azar)- Why yes, telnet is enabled, I'd prefer performing my duties in my Office rather than in the Datacenter with an Arctic parka, I'm sure the DBA's would feel the same way. As far as FTP is concerned I only start/stop that service when I need to move a file within the companies network.
HeadHoncho- I think we need to keep these services off if thats possible. We need to be as Secure as we possibly can....
Me- [sarcasm]While were at it why don't I disconnect the network cables all together.
HeadHoncho- (taking me seriously) If that's what we need to do....
Me- Hell, why don't I just shutem all down, dig a 20ft whole in the basement of the parking garage, toss em all in, and fill with concrete!![/sarcasm]
HeadHoncho-(finally detecting sarcasm)I don't find your comments very apropriate Mr. Azar.....
Me- Well, I don't find it apropriate for you to dictate what kind of security we need on an internal vlan with no direct connection to the outside world.
True Story, BTW there is a moral to the story.