Aces High Bulletin Board
General Forums => Aircraft and Vehicles => Topic started by: Buzzbait on April 11, 2002, 02:33:36 AM
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This is a very simple request:
Just give us a paddleblade option on the P-47D11. You don't need to give us a new model. Don't need to change the weight on the D11 or anything else. Just the extra pull of that big fat prop. :)
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Ohhh, AMEN Buzzbait!!
Glad to see I'm not the only one here to dream about paddle blade.
Sure would be nice addition. I'd like to see it as an option to choose from hangar, just like a drop tank, I'd pay few perks for it (although it wouldn't unbalance the arena). Finally there would be something to spend perks. The whole 56th FG was equipped with paddle blade retrofit kit and so were several other groups.
Well, it would require quite amount of additional work from HTC, climb boosting and graphical things....... ;):)
Another option could be the P-47D-23, the best performing jug of whole D-series. It'd have better payload than D-11 and baddle blade as a standard and it's still a Razorback.
I'm sure Staga is otw with his 150MB pictures.. :D
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How about instead of another Jug, we get a A6M2?, or an earler P 38?
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I agree - please bring the Me410 to Aces High :D. LOL.
Actually, this is an issue that has been brought up again and again and again. I think Pyro said it isn't going to happen, you'd have to ask Ammo or someone like that.
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that paddleblade prop was very effective. it increased the climb rate of the p47 noticeably.
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agree i do. yes. it would help much.:cool:
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We don't need another stinking p-47.
HT's time would be much better spent creating the Fw190-A3 or the Fw190-D12.
F.
Ps. I am only 1/2 kidding.
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and the other half cant be taken seriously;)
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cc on that buzz, we dont need another model, just the increased acceleration and climbrate that was afforded by the paddleblade prop.
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,,it increased the climb rate of the p47 noticeably,,
ok and in dive , biger propeler drag ? or like the LA7 , the damn thing with stoped engine not have drag at all
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Originally posted by brady
How about instead of another Jug, we get a A6M2?, or an earler P 38?
Ding Ding Ding! We Have A Winner! :D
IMO we need more Japanese and Italian rides before we add more allied iron. Of course I wouldn't complain too much if HTC gave me a P-38G-10 to play with, but I wouldn't mind waiting till we have the Ki-84, Ki-100, J2M etc.
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Buzzbait
I too being one who flys the P-47D-11on a daily basis would love to see the big paddle blade prop. It would just make this plane more leathal than what it is now. Plus the extra climb power wouth put that 2000hp to great use!
And whos needs another dang Zero.. you can't hardly shoot anything down with it..and why have and early PJ. The "L" was the best of the line. Improved superchargers and better payloads.
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ok and in dive , biger propeler drag ? or like the LA7 , the damn thing with stoped engine not have drag at all
the Jug can outdive everything. I don't think the paddle-blade propeller would affect its performance in diving, even if it creates extra drag which I doubt.
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Nuchpatrick, there are quite a few players who would like to have another Zero, myself included. Just because you have difficulty getting kills in it doesn't mean it's an impossible task. Why have an early P-38?(not to be anal, but we don't have a "PJ" in AH and the L used the same GE B-33 turbos as all H-5 and later variants except the one-off K model) Yes, the J-25 and L were the best of the bunch but that doesn't mean the F through J-20 models were completely useless. If we're going to use that logic then why have the D-11 and D-25 Jugs? The D-30 climbs better and carries more ordnance. Why have any 109 but the G10, or any 190 but the D9? The earlier models of these planes give MA players more choices in what they have to fly and I can't see that as a bad thing. They are also useful in scenarios and in the CT where it's nice to have an actual 1942 variant for a 1942 setup rather than substituting a 1944 variant in its place simply because the 42 model isn't available.
This whole "perk prop" issue has been discussed before and I'm not so sure it would be as simple as some think. Don't get me wrong, I love P-47s and fly them quite often, but if we allow field retrofits for the Jugs then they should be available for every other plane as well. I know a few 38 drivers who would love to have the kit installed that allowed a pair of 2,000lb bombs to be loaded. Luftwaffe fans would be frothing at the mouth to get even a small portion of the retrofits that were used on their rides. The time it would take for HTC to research and implement those changes would not be insignificant and I'd rather see them spend it modeling new aircraft for the IJN/IJA and RA which are sorely under-represented. Our three Jug variants by themselves equal the number of Japanese fighters modeled in AH and exceed by one the total number of Italian planes we have.
As much as I'd like to have a P-38G or a paddle blade razorback Jug, I can wait until they fill out the Japanese and Italian planesets a bit.
HTC: More IJN/IJA and RA planes please!
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cc we could use some more IJA/IJN stuff.
Modeling the prop on the D11 wouldnt be "adding" another AC. It would also represent the D11 as it was used from Jan 44 onward. These props were hastily installed to all jug units in early 44. the D11 was recieved in to service in very late 43, it didnt have but a few missions under its belt when it recieved the new Hamilton paddlebalde prop. And from then on was a standard part on their P-47D's.
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AHT of P-47 paddle blade project:
"Dec, 1943-Fitting of "paddle-blade" propellers (Curtiss 836 design blades in place of the 714 "toothpick" blades) starts on P-47s, a squadron at a time. This modification, together with the water injection system on the engine, provides a very greatly improved climb rate for the P-47 such that below 15000 feet it can beat the FW-190 in climb.
DblTrubl, 109's and 190's already has many field conversion kits available (rüstsätze), like gun pods( R6), bombs racks(R1?), drop tank(R3), rockets (BR21).
Paddle blade retrofit kit should be considered as "field conversion kit", right?
So....
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LOL Urchin, agree :D
Furious too! More 190's! :D
Uhmmm, I have to say give them their paddles otherwise I'd some sort of a hijacker too ;)
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Why would it need another aircraft to be modelled? Seems to me it's a question of FM rather than model - simply select the option in the hangar and go.
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]This modification, together with the water injection system on the engine, provides a very greatly improved climb rate
There you have the reason for the improved climbrate. The prop alone wasn´t so much better, maybe even worse for high speeds.
niklas
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I agree, you take that P47 with paddleblade prop and I`ll take Ar-234 C...:p :p :p
Ar-234B:
maximum speed 460 MPH (740 KPH)
service ceiling 32,810 feet (10,000 meters)
operational radius 500 miles (800 km)
3300 lb bombs (1500 kg)
Ar-234C:
maximum speed 542 MPH (873 KPH)
service ceiling 39,370 feet (12,000 meters)
operational radius 410 miles (660 km)
4400 lb bombs (2000 kg) or Fieseler Fi-103 or a winged SC 1400 bomb...
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Originally posted by niklas
There you have the reason for the improved climbrate. The prop alone wasn´t so much better, maybe even worse for high speeds.
niklas
I'd say that paddle blade propeller brought more to climb than water injection, haven't seen any reference on that, tho.
Water injection was a standard from P-47D-1 (R-2800-21 engine / 2300hp) onwards, so our D-11 has water injection, but not paddle blade prop.
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Originally posted by Dowding
Why would it need another aircraft to be modelled? Seems to me it's a question of FM rather than model - simply select the option in the hangar and go.
Paddle blade option to choose from hangar is excatly what I've been hoping for.
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What do you mean "kit" to carry 2k bombs? The 38L could carry those straight out of the factory.