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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Staga on April 11, 2002, 07:57:50 PM
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After recent happenings in middle east and around the world I started to wonder what is this Islam?
Here's something I found:
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Some of the Islamic Terms:
-Islam means a commitment to live in peace through submission to the Will of God (Allah).
- Muslim is a person who makes a commitment to live in peace through servitude to Allah.
-Jihad means "struggle" and "strive" against evil thoughts, evil action and aggression against a person, family, society or country. Jihad may be a "justifiable war", borrowing the Christian term.
-Mujahid is a person who engages in Jihad for the sake of Allah according to the Qur'an (Muslim's source book for guidance) and Sunnah (the teachings of Prophet Muhammad, Peace Be Upon Him). Mujahideen is the plural of Mujahid.
-"Islamic terrorism". There is no such phrase or term in the Islamic source books of the Qur'an or the Sunnah and has no place in Islam.
-Sunnah. Sunnah is the preferred way of the Prophet Muhammad that includes his teaching. The sources of the Sunnah are authentic Hadith (reports of the Prophet's sayings, doings and approvals) collections.
The True Meaning of "Jihad":
Jihad is usually associated with Islam and Muslims, but in fact, the concept of Jihad is found in all religions including Christianity, Judaism and political/economic ideologies, such as, Capitalism, Socialism, Communism, etc. Islam defines Jihad as striving and struggling for improvement as well as fighting back to defend one's self, honor, assets and homeland. Also, Jihad is interpreted as the struggle against evil, internal or external of a person or a society. Jihad, in Islam, means doing any or all but not limited to the following:
1. Learn, teach, and practice Islam in all aspects of one's life at all times to reach the highest and best education in order to benefit oneself, family and society.
2. Be a messenger of Islam everywhere, in every behavior and action.
3. Fight evil, wrongdoing, and injustice with all one's power by one's hand (action), with one's tongue (speech), or at least with one's heart (prayer).
4. Respond to the call for Jihad with money, effort, wisdom and life; yet, never fight a Muslim brother, a Muslim country, or a non-Muslim society that respects its treaties and harbors no aggressive designs against Islam or Muslims.
5. Suicide under any pretext is not condoned as Jihad in Islam.
6. Converting people to Islam by force or coercion is never Jihad but a crime, punishable by law.
7. The promise of "70 or 72 virgins" is fiction written by some anti-Islam bigots.
The Levels of Jihad:
1. A personal struggle within one's self to submit to Allah, fight evil within one's self, achieve higher moral and educational standards - Inner Jihad.
2. Jihad against evil, injustice and oppression within one's self, family and society - Social Jihad.
3. Jihad against all that prevents Muslims from servitude to God (Allah), people from knowing Islam, defense of a Muslim society (country), retribution against tyranny, and/or when a Muslim(s) is removed from their homeland by force - Physical Jihad or an armed struggle .
The Qur'an defines physical Jihad as being the highest level of Jihad that one can undertake. Its reward is eternal Paradise. Muslims also know that all humans are accountable for what they have done during their life on this earth. Muslims will be asked about what they did with their lives and their level of submission to Allah on the Day of Judgment.
Does Jihad mean Holy War?
In Islam, there is no such thing as holy war. This terminology was generated in Europe during the Crusades and their war against Muslims. Islam recognizes Jews and Christians as the "People of the Book" because they all follow the Prophet Abraham, believing in Moses' and Jesus' teachings. For many centuries, Muslims have peacefully coexisted with Christians, Jews, and people of other faiths, maintaining social, business, political and economic treaties. Islam respects all humans and faiths as long as there is no religious oppression, forbidding Muslims from serving Allah, preventing others from learning about Islam, and not respecting treaties.
[/b]Who is authorized to call for Jihad as a war?[/b]
Jihad must be performed according to Islamic rules and regulations and only for the sake or in the service of Allah. The physical or military Jihad must be called by a Muslim authority, such as, a president or head of a Muslim country after due consultations with the learned leadership.
What Does Islam Say about Terrorism?
The term "terrorism" does not exist in the Qur'an or the teachings of the Prophet Muhammad. If the terms "terrorist or terrorism" are derived from a verb used in the Qur'an, such as 5:33 describing a "Muslim's" terrorist acts, it is in condemnation and prescribes most severe punishment. Islam is a religion and a way of life that does not separate politics from religion. Islam is a religion of mercy, unity and most importantly peace with one's self and others, to defend not to fight.
Allah said in His Book the Qur'an:
"God does not forbid you from showing kindness and dealing justly with those who have not fought you about religion and have not driven you out of your homes, that you should show them kindness and deal justly with them. God loves just dealers."(Qur'an 60:8)
"Fight in the cause of God against those who fight you, but do not begin aggression. for God loves not aggressors." (Qur'an 2:190)
"If they seek peace, then seek you peace and trust in God for He is the Hearer, the Knower." (Qur'an 8:61)
"… and let not the hatred of others make you avoid justice. Be just: that is next to piety; and fear Allah, for Allah is well-acquainted with all that you do." (Qur'an 5:8)
"But (remember that an attempt at) requiting evil may, too, become an evil: hence whoever pardons (his foe) and makes peace, his reward rests with Allah- for, verily He does not love transgressors." (Qur'an 42:40)
"The good deed and the evil deed are not alike. Repel the evil deed with one which is better, then lo! he between whom and thee there was enmity, (will become) as though he was a bosom friend. (Qur'an 41:34)
Some of the Prophet Muhammad's Teachings (Sunnah):
1. He prohibited Muslim soldiers from killing women, children and the elderly, or cut a palm tree, and he advised them, "… do not betray, do not be excessive, do not kill a newborn child."
2. "Whoever has killed a person having a treaty with the Muslims shall not smell the fragrance of Paradise, though its fragrance is found for a span of forty years."
3. "The first cases to be adjudicated between people on the Day of Judgment will be those of bloodshed." Killing is the second major sin in Islam.
4. "Truly your blood, your property, and your honor are inviolable."
5. "There is a reward for kindness shown to every living animal or human."
Islam and Human Rights:
1. The Qur'an and Sunnah encourage Muslims to respect the life and property of all mankind.
2. In an Islamic State these rights are considered sacred, whether a person is Muslim or not.
3. Islam protects honor, forbids insulting others, and/or making fun of them.
4. Islam rejects certain individuals or nations being favored because of their wealth, power, and/or race.
5. All Muslims believe that Allah created all humans free and equal, only to be distinguished from each other on the basis of God-consciousness or piety and never on the basis of race, color or ethnicity.
Islam is a practical religion that respects all human beings and it was revealed for all mankind. Its message is that of peace and submission to Allah. Muslims believe in all the Prophets mentioned in the Bible, and the Qur'an. The Qur'an shares many moral teachings of the Old Testament and the New Testament. These three religions (and their books) were founded upon the revelations by One True God, Allah.
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Sounds like an interesting book; Would propably be better reading than "Divine Comedy"....
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Thats all fine and dandy Staga but the fact is the diddlyers were dealing with are all muslims, and they call themselves jihadis- themselves not we.
So it's a problem within Islam. You can wax all poetic about how "peaceful" islam is supposed to be yet all we see from that religion today is violence and religios nutcases blowing themselves up. And this comes from a guy who thinks the Israelis are are nearly on a nazi level against the Palestenians.
There is a problem with islam today, they used to be cultured, moderate in views especially concerning other religions and generally well behaved. They are not so today.
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I know several people who pratice Islam and they are a hell of a lot closer in the way they pratice their religion to Stega's description than they are to your description, Grunherz.
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You're generalizing, Grun, but you're not far off the mark. It's not all Muslim's though.
Do you see the anti-Israel bias in our own media? I would never have thought that ANYONE in the U.S. (save PLO members) would support Palestinians in this debacle. It is because Palestinians are killing Jews that they are using Islam as a reason. It's not about Arab religion, though. It's about killing Jews. If Arafat had no religion, he would still be killing Jews. Why?
I think it's a class struggle. I'm not an Anthropoligist, but it seems apparent that Palestinians are the scum of the Arab world. Well, perhaps Kurds are lower in their eyes, but after the Kurds are gone (very nearly so now), the Palestinians will hold that title. Palestinians are in a struggle for respect amongst their Arab peers. If, you look at this with that in mind, I think things become a little clearer.
It's not about land. It's not about Islam. It's about killing Jews. How that will gain Palestinians respect amongst Arabs is something only an Arab can answer. The real danger for Palestinians is in faliure.
There are Arabs living in peace in Israel. Israeli's allow them full citizenship, allow them to vote in elections, and treat them as one of themselves. Does that surprise you?
There are NO Israeli's living amongst Arabs (outside of Israel). Does that surprise you?
Would it surprise you to find out that Arabs sided with Hitler in WWII? Hmm, I wonder what that says about them?
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This thread is about Islam, the religion, and what it teaches. Personally I know several people who are from the Middle East who have immigrated here for the same reason anyone immigrates here- for a better life. I don't buy that crap that Moslems are all evil or that Palestinians are subhuman. They are people just like we are. They want the best for their families, and the best for themselves. Do you really believe the average Arab citizen lives to give his life for the extermination of Western society?
The Arab League sees our War on Terrorism as a War on Islam, and listening to you two guys makes me second guess the motive for the vast support President Bush has in dealing with this issue. Are we trying to bring terrorists responsible for 9-11 to justice, or will we use this, as Israel seems to be doing, as an excuse to kill Arabs?
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It's not about land. It's not about Islam. It's about killing Jews. How that will gain Palestinians respect amongst Arabs is something only an Arab can answer. The real danger for Palestinians is in faliure.
There are Arabs living in peace in Israel. Israeli's allow them full citizenship, allow them to vote in elections, and treat them as one of themselves. Does that surprise you?
There are NO Israeli's living amongst Arabs (outside of Israel). Does that surprise you?
Would it surprise you to find out that Arabs sided with Hitler in WWII? Hmm, I wonder what that says about them?
Thank You Voss..
No one could have said it better.
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Would it surprise you to find out that Arabs sided with Hitler in WWII? Hmm, I wonder what that says about them?
You bloody fool. Half of Western Europe sided with Hitler during WW2, not to mention the upper hieracrchy of the Catholic church, the leadership of many occupied countries etc. Get a damned clue.
To make out Arabs are inherently untrustworthy is as unjustified as saying all Jews are, say, money-grabbing or any other stereotype you wish to use. It's lunacy of the highest order.
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""For many centuries, Muslims have peacefully coexisted with Christians, Jews, and people of other faiths, maintaining social, business, political and economic treaties.""
so, what about the moors invasion of spain????
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Originally posted by john9001
so, what about the moors invasion of spain????
The jewish communities of Spain flourished under moorish rule.
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Originally posted by Voss
There are Arabs living in peace in Israel. Israeli's allow them full citizenship, allow them to vote in elections, and treat them as one of themselves. Does that surprise you?
That really surprised me 'cause last time I heard it was really hard to get "full citizenship" thus those Arabs aren't able to vote. Also in Israel's scholar system Arab schools are suffering 'cause of lack of fundings.
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I would like to hear what our Spanish players thoughts are about Moors and what happened in Spain in those times?
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Good synopsis of the history of the Sephardic (Spanish) jews can be found Here (http://www.orthohelp.com/geneal/SEPH_who.HTM)
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A guide to live in peace and love one another as brothers...
or a reason/excuse for ignorance, hate and murder.
Just as Christianity was/is at one time or another for others.
It's the "free will" part that screws it up for some ...
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Staga. Unluckily my english it's very poor. But I can say what at midle age, the moors of Spain had a society (economy, medical, etc etc) more advanced and tolerant what christians kindongs.
You can lose lots of hours playing AH, if you try learn the history of Spain from S VIII to S XVI.
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Not if I can do it while I'm at work :)
edit: CH3; Thanks for the interesting link. Looks like it was a bless to Spain when Moors went there and curse when they had to leave.
Nice link (http://www.xmission.com/~dderhak/index/moors.htm)
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Originally posted by Dowding (Work)
You bloody fool. Half of Western Europe sided with Hitler during WW2, not to mention the upper hieracrchy of the Catholic church, the leadership of many occupied countries etc. Get a damned clue.
To make out Arabs are inherently untrustworthy is as unjustified as saying all Jews are, say, money-grabbing or any other stereotype you wish to use. It's lunacy of the highest order.
Dowding, I respectfully request you to curb your remarks. I don't think that question deserves the response you gave.
I did not say Arabs were untrustworthy. AND you're wrong. It wasn't anything like half of western Europe. If you believe that you need the clue, pal.
Lunacy of the highest order? Time will tell. If you fall into diplomacy with the Arab Nations, as if they were completely honest, you're gonna get shafted. The Arab Nations do not think like we do (or like you Tommies).
Stop putting words in my mouth.
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There are NO Israeli's living amongst Arabs (outside of Israel). Does that surprise you?
What do you mean by no Israelis?
No Jews?
There are a lot of Jews living in Arab countries.
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Originally posted by Staga
I would like to hear what our Spanish players thoughts are about Moors and what happened in Spain in those times?
I personally think the were a great influence in those days (at the beginning of the invasion) since they brought with them mathematics, astronomy, architecture, and science in general.
Let us remember we actually use the numbers brought by the arabs, not the romans or greek.
It is my understanding that the defeat of the moors in Spain marked (not caused) the beginning of the downfall of their advanced civilization (at that time).
It's sad to see that such an illustrated people have gone back to where my country was at THAT time (Holy wars, Religious hatred... yes, I know you were not expecting the Spanish Inquisition :D:D )
Anyway, civilizations come, civilizations go... I wonder who will be "ruling the world" in 500 years... the chinese perhaps?
Daniel
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Originally posted by CH3
Good synopsis of the history of the Sephardic (Spanish) jews can be found Here (http://www.orthohelp.com/geneal/SEPH_who.HTM)
Well, it has the value of being the historical chronicle from one side.
The webpage is not bad, but still have some innaccuracies, and it is biased.
Jut to point our a few.
Jews were expelled from Spain before the Sefardi "Diaspora". They were twice under the Visigothic rule, in VIIth century, after a quite long prosecution and after being accused of traition to the state (which was true in one case). Then ones remaining were forced to converse to Catholicism within one year. And while the defeat of Visigoths by Tarik's troops is due to the traition of Witiza's sons (Witiza claimed the Kingdom for him, and his sons commanded part of Don Rodrigo's army), the quick progression of moors is often explained by Jew's attitude, prone to muslim tolerance, and willing to get rid of Visigoths, they often opened cities' doors to the invader. (bear in mind the importance of Jew community)
What muslim regime achived in Spain is no less than amazing. By the time of Cordoba's Califate, their empire was (in cultural terms) the world's most advanced (save, perhaps, China). Science flourished there like in no other place by that time. But the idillic picture is far away from truth. Moors committed atrocities, on a regular basis. They excecise extreme discrimination against Chatholics, and were only tolerant at the beginning, for one single reason: only Catholics had to pay taxes. And they were even more with Catholic's renegades: Muladíes. Almanzor was famous for burning "indifel" boods, so no tolerance here, too. They were certainly more tolerant with Jews, as far as they were not perceived as enemies (ironic, isn't it?)
Catholic "Reconquista" (conquest) was not Catholic's people's merit. It was muslim's demerit. Cordoba Califate disintegrated into several small "Kingdoms" (Reinos de Taifas), most of the times fighting one against the other. The war between muslims and catholics was not, most of the time, an open war, but very long periods of peace, with mixing in the borders, and furious battles in between. Yes, by that time, Catholic were a bunch of intolerant acultural guys, whose main doctrine was getting rid of the opposite (another irony)
On the expulsion itself, not only religious hate was the reason. During centuries of muslim dominancy, Jews were notably dealing with muslim agains catholics, catholic against muslims, african against spanish muslims, etc., making a very unreliable group. And catholics rememered that, and their traition to Visigoth catholics.
The paragraph "Despite obvious fabrication, the story of the "Nino de La Guardia" continues to be taught as factual in high schools in Spain to this day, and it is found in the 70 volume Spanish Encyclopedia Espasa Calpe. It therefore remains a basis for fueling popular antisemitism in Spain. Details and names were subsequently added to the story over time and a church consecrated to the "nino santo"." is absolute BS. Makes me doubt seriously on the author's qualification and knowledge about Spain.
Again, not a bad attempt to explain a thousand years of history in hardly a thousand words, but it's biased and far too simplistic. Spain history has never been (probably like the rest of the world) a case of good guys and bad guys.
Cheers,
Pepe
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Good original post - it's good to return to the definitions when I keep seeing ignorant posters use Muslim, Arabic, and Terrorist as if they were interchangable words.
I would have touched on the differences between Sunni and toejame muslims, though, since it's the current state of affairs and not the fresh idealism of a just-birthed religion.
As far as individual followers of a religion go - who is to blame for the sins of the church members? The member or the whole religeon? Before you answer that, review the Catholic church's latest bout with pedephilia.
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Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
Thats all fine and dandy Staga but the fact is the f***ers were dealing with are all muslims, and they call themselves jihadis- themselves not we.
So it's a problem within Islam. You can wax all poetic about how "peaceful" islam is supposed to be yet all we see from that religion today is violence and religios nutcases blowing themselves up. And this comes from a guy who thinks the Israelis are are nearly on a nazi level against the Palestenians.
There is a problem with islam today, they used to be cultured, moderate in views especially concerning other religions and generally well behaved. They are not so today.
Saying there is a problem with Islam based on the actions of a minority of wackos is the same as saying there is a problem with Christianity based on the actions of the KKK. Voilence is not "all we see", unless that is all you want to see.
And saying "but the fact is the f***ers we're dealing with are all muslims" to make a point about the religion is about as intelligent as catching a bunch of trout in a lake and jumping to the conclusion that all fish must be trout!
now...cut it out!!! Ya knuckelhead:)
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Originally posted by Nashwan
What do you mean by no Israelis?
No Jews?
There are a lot of Jews living in Arab countries.
Nashwan, what is your definition of the word 'is?'
When does 'no' mean 'NO?'
America has Jews of its own, and America has Israeli's (with dual citizenship) visiting all the time.
Not all Jews are Israeli's. I think that's plain enough, but if you think the Jews living in Arab countries will live in peace forever; well let's just say you better not tell America's media where they are.
Reading. Comprehension. When will the two meet?
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If you truly believe your original statement, then you are a fool Voss.
My point was that many countries/nationalities/ethnic groups sided with Hitler during WW2. Yet they are our Allies now and the world seems to do lots of business with them. Your statement was not only irrelevant, but an unneccessary slur on Arabs. I didn't need to put words into your mouth - they were perfectly descernible.
As for 'half of Western Europe' - depends how you define the term. You can count Austria, Italy and Vichy France for a start. Then there's the puppet governments installed in every country. Add certain 'neutral' countries who helped supply the nazi war machine over the entire length of the war. I'd say my description was more or less on the mark.
Arabs don't think like Westerners? Well, how many dirty deeds were committed by Europeans (and Americans) over the years? How much back-stabbing was done in the name of Imperialism for instance? Has any Arab nation set-up and then run the machinery to murder 6 million people?
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There are Arabs living in peace in Israel. Israeli's allow them full citizenship, allow them to vote in elections, and treat them as one of themselves. Does that surprise you?
There are NO Israeli's living amongst Arabs (outside of Israel). Does that surprise you?
Hardly a lack of comprehension there...You compared ARABS to ISRAELIS, not Egyptions to Israelis, or Jordanians to Israelis, so it is only logical to assume you were talking ethnicity or religion instead of nationality.
Writing. Comprehension. when will they meet?
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"Has any Arab nation set-up and then run the machinery to murder 6 million people?"
Well, with the help of that, ummm "half of Europe" you mentioned, and their support and appeasement of the Arabs, it could very well happen.......
Cabby
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Originally posted by Dowding
Has any Arab nation set-up and then run the machinery to murder 6 million people?
Syria comes to mind immediately. Perhaps, not the same methodology, but nevertheless as effective. Of course, it's their own people. Maybe that nullifies the result in your mind?
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Last time I heard, German jews were murdered too, so that kind of nullifies your point.
I stand by my point, let's not look at Western civilisation with rose tinted specs while criticising Arab actions. At the end of the day both cultures have the potential to do 'bad' things. And that potential has been realised time and time again.
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...And once again, those Vultures of the BBs- Caligula, Voss and GUNHERZ- pounce on an innocious thread titled "Islam-The Religion" and immediately turn it into yet another thread on who is killing who in the Mideast and why they are doing it-as if there aren't enough threads already about that crap blaming everybody from the Canadians to my home boys, Icy Hot Stuntaz.
In the words of Moe- Spread out. Islam is the most difficult of the three major religions to follow (sorry Buddha-Boy but Buddhism is a philosophy, not a religion, and plus you pray for material comforts rather than enlightenment- tacky tacky tacky) and the followers of Islam I've had the pleasure of meeting aren't wild-eyed fanatics plotting on killing all of us Fighting Whities. Instead they're my neighbors, people I work with, and people I can relate to because the issues that affect me also affect them.
This Thread is about Islam and what I see to be the common thread that runs through all religions- the commandment against killing each other. I submit that people who are killing each other are not true followers of Judasm, Islam or Christianity. In fact these people are evil because they are willing to allow mothers to endure the deaths of their children for an earthly cause in the name of servitude to God.
So you see, Voss, Gunherz and Caligua, this is the wrong thread for you. We were talking theology, not the justification of why Israel has invaded the West Bank. There's half a dozen threads for you to spew about the vileness of Arabs and your opinions on people of color, so go post over there.
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YA! Find your own thread ya bums!! Get the hell out of here!
Holy crap! It's getting so the liberals can't even find space to breath on this board.
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Thnx Staga...great thought provoker..
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So you see, Voss, Gunherz and Caligua, this is the wrong thread for you. We were talking theology, not the justification of why Israel has invaded the West Bank. There's half a dozen threads for you to spew about the vileness of Arabs and your opinions on people of color, so go post over there.
On this tread I have only one post,and that`s only saying that I aggree with someone.
What`s so bad about that?
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I'm STILL doing research on Islam (intending to reply ontopic), but I was wondering the same thing, Cal.
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Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
So it's a problem within Islam. You can wax all poetic about how "peaceful" islam is supposed to be yet all we see from that religion today is violence and religios nutcases blowing themselves up. And this comes from a guy who thinks the Israelis are are nearly on a nazi level against the Palestenians.
There is a problem with islam today, they used to be cultured, moderate in views especially concerning other religions and generally well behaved. They are not so today.
Christians are supposed to be peaceful right?
So what about Catholics and Protestants in Northern Ireland.
The problem isn't Allah, its killing in the name of God.
Tronsky
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Majority of christians are mellow nowdays.
The days of the inquisition are long over,and people trying to convert others to follow Jesus might be annoying at times,but not dangerous or harmfull in any way.
Jews don`t want to convert anyone,in fact it`s really hard to convert to judaism.
Muslims think their way of living is the only way,and the western civilisation is rotten,therefore needs to be destroyed.
Their leaders are affraid,that it might seem more fun for the average Abdul to look at porn on the internet,than pray 5 times a day.They see us as a treat to their culture and faith.
The reason they can`t get over it is that they think we think like they do.Tolerance is unknown to them.They belive we want to go over their land and force our laws and ways upon them.
In fact we do,but is it so bad to have human rights and so on?
They don`t want all that,they just wanna live as they were in the 12th century.So they declare Jihad and whatnot,and kill as many of us as they can,and see it as a battle of David and Goliath.
Yes I think they need to be done away ,they need to be killed by the thousands,they need to be taught not to diddly with us.
They will understand nothing less,after all they have a middle age mentality,when the law of the sword was the only law.
They want to live by that law,and their only way of communication is trough violence.You can kid yourself that a new conference will bring peace ,and that the west will make them understand that terror is bad.But that will not happen.They just think in a totally different way the western people do.And that`s what WE need to understand.
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Originally posted by ~Caligula~
Yes I think they need to be done away ,they need to be killed by the thousands,they need to be taught not to diddly with us.
They will understand nothing less,after all they have a middle age mentality,when the law of the sword was the only law.
They want to live by that law,and their only way of communication is trough violence.You can kid yourself that a new conference will bring peace ,and that the west will make them understand that terror is bad.But that will not happen.They just think in a totally different way the western people do.And that`s what WE need to understand.
Quite racist opinions you have, Caligula.
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They just think in a totally different way the western people do.And that`s what WE need to understand.
What an arrogant and idiotic statement.
Christians are quite happy and able to force their views, and are more than capable of violence. Northern Ireland aside, ever heard of christian fundamentalists killing doctors who work in abortion clinics? Or religious compounds like Waco, and the Branch Dividian??
Your assumption that no Muslim radical follows the tenets of Islam that Staga so correctly posted, works both ways, in ALL religions.
The second biggest religion in the Middle east is Christianity, with approx 14.5 million followers, with the largest being the Coptic Orthodox church with 6.7 miillion followers, followed by the Catholic church.
Lebanon has the largest percentage with approx 49% of the population being christian, UAE with 20%, and Oman 15%. Egypt has the largest population of christians with 7.3 million followers.
Tronsky
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"Anyway, civilizations come, civilizations go... I wonder who will be "ruling the world" in 500 years... the chinese perhaps?"
A communist regime has a snowballs chance in hell of ever "ruling" the world. But then in 500 years they may be a democracy, who knows.
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Originally posted by Thrawn
YA! Find your own thread ya bums!! Get the hell out of here!
Holy crap! It's getting so the liberals can't even find space to breath on this board.
Ya, what Thrawn said!! Actually it's not a liberal vs. conservative issue, at least in my opinion, but hell, some guys here see EVERY thread as liberal vs. conservative- "Hey, you like Labs?" "Yeah, but I have an ACD." "Liberal huh?"
And seeing EVERY thread as liberal vs. conservative, or pro-Israeli or pro-Palestinian, tends to make people look like they have an agenda. Fact is there's a whole bunch of threads dealing with the Middle East, and Islam has nothing to do with terrorism, so why are we discussing that on this thread?
Also if you want to claim that racist Caligua as one of your own, a conservative, well....
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One of MY own?
I'm wear the label liberal with pride. I think you're confusing me with another Thrawn.
Seriously I think the conservatives on this board would go into shock if anyone confused me with them. Pro choice, anti-capital punishment, etc. here.
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Call me racist all You want.I don`t give a damn.
I make up my oppinion based on what I see in the world.
Eversince I remember I`ve allways heard of muslims blowing up planes,buses,kidnapping people,nervgasing armies and civilians etc.
Just causing trouble period.
I`m not saying there aren`t arabs who just want to live in peace,but those very arabs need to speak up,and fight their own maniacs.Or else the same will happen to them as what happened to the german people some 70 years ago,only on a larger and bloodier scale.
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Islam is a religion.
My religion differs from Islam.
I'm prejudice, too.
I hate everyone.
Well, I like Harry Calahan (fictitious though he may be). I went looking for that famous wave file from a Dirty Harry movie, but I couldn't find it.
You know the one:
Det:Harry hates everyone.
Harry's Partner: Even Latino's?
Det: Ask him!
Harry's Partner: Harry?
Harry: (names various ethnic slurs)
When I need a laugh I visit:
http://www.the-dirtiest.com/
But, on the issue of Islam, there seems to be something a bit juvenile about a religion that promises virgins in Heaven. I mean, there would have to be a lot of women dying awfully young, or Allah must be creating an awful lot of Virgins to keep the supply up. Somehow, I just don't think things like sex are going to matter in Heaven. But, I'm dwelling on only one aspect of the religion. Jihad. I don't believe Allah would have expressed Jihad as a major issue of his religion, except as a mindset to spiritual purity. AVOIDING war, and strife, makes sense.
It looks like this is just another case of a religion that has been modified through history (as many have including mine), but not for Godly reasons in the case of Islam.
Where is tolerance in their teaching?
Overall, the religion seems to follow tenets of the region, I.E. the construct of the religion overall is very male oriented. That may be typical of all religions, in the archaic, but by now most have overcome this.
But, I'm a Christian and don't buy it anyway.
Prejudice, bigotted, hypocritical... whatever.
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Prejudice, bigotted, hypocritical...
Yup!
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Originally posted by Voss
But, on the issue of Islam, there seems to be something a bit juvenile about a religion that promises virgins in Heaven.
Did you read that first post ?
"7. The promise of "70 or 72 virgins" is fiction written by some anti-Islam bigots."
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You guys have zero sense of humor.
The only thing I am really prejudiced about is Dowding. :rolleyes:
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Muslims think their way of living is the only way,and the western civilisation is rotten,therefore needs to be destroyed.
Their leaders are affraid,that it might seem more fun for the average Abdul to look at porn on the internet,than pray 5 times a day.They see us as a treat to their culture and faith.
The reason they can`t get over it is that they think we think like they do.Tolerance is unknown to them.They belive we want to go over their land and force our laws and ways upon them.
In fact we do,but is it so bad to have human rights and so on?
They don`t want all that,they just wanna live as they were in the 12th century.So they declare Jihad and whatnot,and kill as many of us as they can,and see it as a battle of David and Goliath.
Yes I think they need to be done away ,they need to be killed by the thousands,they need to be taught not to diddly with us.
I really hate personal attacks and all, but this quote isn't prejudiced, its idiotic. I feel sorry for you Caligula.
OTOH you are a testament to how difficult the peace process may become, if a significant number of people share your twisted ignorant views.
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They worship that block house in Saudi. It's something to do with the moon or moon god.
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Oh, so it's all a big joke now is it? lol
BTW I was joking too! Isn't that just hilarious!?
Prejudice? You were the one who introduced collaboration with the Nazis into the discrussion, regarding Arabs. As if it was proof of a flaw in their character. This ludicrous point was in total ignorance of the fact that the French, Italians, Austrians, Finns etc etc could be accused of the same thing, if the line of argument was followed.
And the fact that Caligula agreed with you, speaks volumes IMO.
It looks like this is just another case of a religion that has been modified through history (as many have including mine), but not for Godly reasons in the case of Islam.
Well, the Christian gospels were selected as part of a political process within the Catholic church. There were originally dozens. I expect the same goes for the Torah, Bhagavad Gita and Koran.
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caligula's Zionist views always slip through. He constantly posts threads trying to milk sympathy for the poor innocent Israelis but when confronted with with the fact about innocent palestinians the mask slips.
The Jews are always portray themselves as humble "peace loving" "why cant we all get along" types. A lot of them maybe. The Zionist like the racist nazi maybe the minortity but it seems at this point they are running the show in Israel.
The palestinians are beasts occuping the land god gave to the jews. They need to be driven off or put down right caligula? After all they arent as "peace loving" or "go along to get along" types like the Israelis.
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http://www.non-sequitur.com/comics/2002/april/0414.jpg
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The palestinians are beasts occuping the land god gave to the jews. They need to be driven off or put down right caligula? After all they arent as "peace loving" or "go along to get along" types like the Israelis.
Right