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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: MANDOBLE on April 12, 2002, 03:33:09 AM
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This happens over and over. Someone blahblahbling in english to you while you can hardly understand half the words he spellsl. I suppose even some of them would get irritated having no response.
What about being able to select up to three spoken languages and represent them near the icon in a new icon mode? For example, I choose spanish and portuguese and my icon shows "MANDOBLE-SP".
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The only cultures that are allowed to speak more than one language are the ones that reside in countries where "pot" is legal.
If you don't know what "pot" is, learn English.
We can help you from there.
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Well, pot is "pote" in spanish, the "pote gallego" is not only legal, but very appreciated by gourmets.
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Now I can say it in TWO languages!!!!
Guess they need to legalize it here.
BTW...that last response was a joke, with a of sarcasm.
But please don't take it personal.
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:) :) :) :) :) :) LOL Mandoble. "Pot" it's also very very appreciated by gourmets. Iron lion zion like lion in zion.
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Originally posted by MANDOBLE
What about being able to select up to three spoken languages and represent them near the icon in a new icon mode? For example, I choose spanish and portuguese and my icon shows "MANDOBLE-SP".
I got this feature enabled in My Icon by default :) It says: MBirdCZ :p
pot, grass, dope... ummmm.... ;)
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Originally posted by MANDOBLE
"pote gallego" is not only legal.
It really depends on your Religious Beliefs, since it's, undoubtly, a sin :D
Pepe
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Originally posted by MANDOBLE
This happens over and over. Someone blahblahbling in english to you while you can hardly understand half the words he spellsl. I suppose even some of them would get irritated having no response.
Yep, been there :) uhm actually I am there.
56th FG 's ppl's principle language is english except few ppl's and their talking is just like a native american (or UK hehe) too.
I must admit that I have had some hard times to understand their saying and keeping mic volume too high or too low ain't gonna help it. But I've noticed that more I listen to them, more I understand them (their english, not their sayings ;))
Ok, it's latrine service for me again...
Anyway I'm looking forward to get my english better.. someday.. .
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this topic always cracks me up.
It's like having non-english speaking people serving me at 7-11.
This is AMERICA where the language is ENGLISH.
this is an American game.. look at the webpage, the helpfiles, etc..
I think it's great that people from all over the world can play AND they need to learn english. They need to be able to read help files and stuff.. or just deal with it.
As far as I know, HT isn't working on multi-language versions so it would help pilots to adjust.. I.E. learn english.
If I were into some European based game, I'd assume that to play I'd have to learn 'their' language, whatever that might be.
I welcome our friends from all over the world but please, learn some english.
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"I welcome our friends from all over the world but please, learn some english."
We will when you guys learn it too.
Its ALUMINIUM not ALUMINUM you lisping bunch of british rebel colonists ;) ;) ;) ;)
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Wolfgn,
That's a helluva marketing advise! :D
Cheers,
Pepe
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The problem is that these people speaking to you get irritated cause you dont respond or cause you dont do what they ask you to do and they have no idea that you cant understand spoken english. If they see a "I" (only italian) in the icon then they better write using radio buffer what they need to say to that person instead keeping speaking at him over and over.
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Just click AFK choice in the tuner.
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Originally posted by Wlfgng
This is AMERICA where the language is ENGLISH.
Jawoll Herr Oberstleutnant!
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Originally posted by Wlfgng
This is AMERICA where the language is ENGLISH.
Kyllä Herra everstiluutnantti! :p
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Not to get off topic or piss too many people off, but the official language of Air Traffic Control centers worldwide is English. Granted, if you're a Spanish pilot flying around Spain, a lot of time ATC will talk to you in Spanish, but every ATC controller has to know how to speak and understand English. Seems only fitting that in a flight sim, people are expected to understand it.
Just my $.02
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Maybe we can have English listening tods on saturday, instead of silly airplane fighting:p
Ok joking, but the problem is that poor quality of AH voice is not helping who is trying to understand other languages; more, sure , ATC comm is in English language, but they follow standard language rules;in AH voice everyone speaks freely, saying things the way they came in his mind without any fixed rule, and this makes things more difficult for little or partial english speakers.
Last you are commonly using the term "english", but for a person who uses english as a second language there are more than one "english"; I mean sometimes when I hear a UK person or a Texan person or an Australian one, talking the same "english language" , they sound like more than one languageat my ears.
We are here to improve our english too, anyway:)
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you guys make a good point! most Americans don't follow standard rules. We have so many dialects, accents, etc.
This must really be difficult becuase American English is already the most difficult language to learn.. add in all that and wow.
I totally apprecite those that try to speak english. When I'm in a different country I try my best to speak their language.
It's the trying that counts IMO.
I don't mean to sound like someone that demands everyone learn english.. not the point at all. Just that this is an English speaking game (text) and written, designed, run by English speaking people (HTC).
We all have to have common ground to communicate. In this game it's a given that it's English. That's my point. Nuttin' else!
I for one speak (broken) French and Spanish.. can't write it though and I sure can't communicate clearly online using it...
The only other viable option is to have everyone, everywhere, speak every language... not too practical.
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I have to say that I totally understand the indecipherable speech on AHV. We had an Austrailian squaddie and whenever he spoke I was totatlly lost as to what he said.. I always asked him to 'say again'..
and we both spoke English.. our own versions that is.
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Originally posted by mjolnir
Not to get off topic or piss too many people off, but the official language of Air Traffic Control centers worldwide is English. Granted, if you're a Spanish pilot flying around Spain, a lot of time ATC will talk to you in Spanish, but every ATC controller has to know how to speak and understand English. Seems only fitting that in a flight sim, people are expected to understand it.
Just my $.02
Does anyone have a recording at hand as an example how they're taking? I am sure their taking doesn't sound like anything I've heard online so far.
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Originally posted by Wlfgng
this topic always cracks me up.
It's like having non-english speaking people serving me at 7-11.
This is AMERICA where the language is ENGLISH.
this is an American game.. look at the webpage, the helpfiles, etc..
man we were talking about you with MbirdCZ and you are lucky that you do not understand our language, because if you could, you would be pissed off
:p
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Originally posted by Wlfgng
This must really be difficult becuase American English is already the most difficult language to learn.. add in all that and wow.
wow does any else think that American English is most difficult language to learn ???? :rolleyes:
Wlfgng well ... rest of your ideas doesnt sound so bad ;)
What about Playername.VAR
var could be 3 chars long, set able by player
may be unified shortcuts to avoid things sutch UK,GB ..
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Originally posted by Wlfgng
We have so many dialects, accents, etc.
This must really be difficult becuase American English is already the most difficult language to learn.. add in all that and wow.
I've always heard that Finnish is one of the world toughest language to learn. Heck, I don't know all the cases (there should be something like 31 different (?) named something like "possessiivisuffiksi" ROFLOL!!) of our language and I hated finnish language in school! For example:
I went - Mina menin
You went - Sina menit
He went - Han meni
We went - Me menimme
You went - Te menitte
They went - He menivat
Notice how those words bends, uhoh :)
Also I've heard that German language is quite difficult too, dunno.
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German to me has more rigid rules than English. In English, as soon as you learn a rule you learn several exceptions to it. This is a result of all the cultures that have been incorporated into the Americas.
English is an offshoot of the same language tree as German, FWIW.
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pote gallego = A chunky stew of local chorizo and morcilla, root vegetable, white beans and tangy greens.The latter is a thinned-down, souplike version of the pote. sounds delicious and leagle
pot = cannibus sativa/indica/ruderalis , good in brownys ( small chocolate bread squares) and decidedly illeagle at least federaly. bout 30% of americans use weekly and americas biggest cash crop.
methinks you mean a different thing by pote than americans mean byt pot .
"what we have here is a failier to communicate"
i have always wanted to say that :)
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Originally posted by Vector
For example:
Eng Finish Czech CHN(pin yin)
I went - Mina menin - Ja jsem sel - Wo shi la
You went - Sina menit - Ty si sel - Ni shi la
He went - Han meni - On sel - Ta shi la
We went - Me menimme - My jsme sli -Wo men shi la
You went - Te menitte - Vy jste sli - Ni men shi la
They went - He menivat - Oni sli - Ta men shi la
Notice how those words bends, uhoh :)
Also I've heard that German language is quite difficult too, dunno.
well somebody could add german and jap. and other you know ;)
jin doufam ze jsem nepoplet ty i(y) lol
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Are there different dialects of english ?
Anyway english is easy to learn for anyone who's primary language is a germanic or romance language . It's just the spelling that is crazy .
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Prehaps hi tech can post a list of common used words in ah in difffrent languges :)( then we can all speak a da lingo
Check 6
Hi con
Dragging
Bing ammo/fuel
Golly-geen "£$%£$% ack just killed me :)
etc etc :D
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Yeah, let's alls peak indo-european on AH Voice.
1) This ain't amurrica. This is an international product marketing by americans and based in the United States.
2) English is as much of an official language in AH as it is the official language of the United States. That is, most people speak it; it really helps to know it; but nowhere does it say that English is the official language.
3) ATC is standardized. Many AH pilots who don't speak English terribly well can and do communicate with ATC in English.
4) In general, text is to be preferred over voice messages. Use range voice only in an emergent situation. There's nothing worse than a bunch of idjits stepping on your squad comms.
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Don't forget, you can record your own voice in your own language and put it in the plane folder for a custom "Check Six"- nor reason for HTC to have to bother with it.
As for voice, I tend to agree, it is primarily an English-speaking product from an English-speaking country.
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Originally posted by Kieran
As for voice, I tend to agree, it is primarily an English-speaking product from an English-speaking country.
No matter whether it is an english product or not, the fact is that there are a bunch of people unable to understand spoken english using our actual voice comms. My point was to add some kind of info to the icon indicating that no matter how much you speak in english to that player, he is not going to reply nor understand you. So, if you want to tell him something, you better write it in the text buffer. There is a big difference between understanding written english or even spoken english in a no loudly and polluted sound ambient and understanding english modisms with AH voice.
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I do not disagree with your thoughts. I am responding primarily to those that want "Check Six" offered in different languages, when it is within their power to do it themselves (easily) now.
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English = German
I went = Ich ging
you went = Du gingst
He, she, it went = Er, Sie, Es ging
We went = Wir gingen
You went = Ihr gingt
They went = Sie gingen
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Originally posted by Vector
I've always heard that Finnish is one of the world toughest language to learn. Heck, I don't know all the cases (there should be something like 31 different (?) named something like "possessiivisuffiksi" ROFLOL!!) of our language and I hated finnish language in school! For example:
I went - Mina menin
You went - Sina menit
He went - Han meni
We went - Me menimme
You went - Te menitte
They went - He menivat
Notice how those words bends, uhoh :)
Also I've heard that German language is quite difficult too, dunno.
I went - Minä menin
You went - Sinä menit
He went - Hän meni
We went - Me menimme
You went - Te menitte
They went - He menivät
A good Finnish-English-Finnish Dictionary can be found in the address http://www.tracetech.net/db.htm ;)
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Originally posted by Wlfgng
This is AMERICA where the language is ENGLISH.
Qu'est-ce qui dit l'engin ?
Y crois que je vais parler rosbif ?
pfffffffffffffffffffffff
I went - Je suis allé
You went - Tu est allé
He went - Il est allé
We went - Nous sommes allé
You went - Vous êtes allé
They went - Ils sont allé
That's it ... it's pretty simple no ? :D
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Lets try to complete the leason with some spanish:
I went - fui
You went - fuiste
He went - fue
We went - fuimos
You went - fuisteis
They went - fueron
It seems that finnish and spanish include the person in the verbal form in a similar way.
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And why not some catalan (spoken by some 6 million people in Northeast Spain, Southeast France, and some parts of Corsica) :p
I went - Jo vaig anar
You went - Tu vas anar
He went - Ell va anar
We went - Nosaltres vam anar
You went - Vosaltres vau anar
They went - Ells van anar
RAM, how about some Euskera? ;)
Daniel
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Originally posted by Dr Zhivago
I went - Minä menin
You went - Sinä menit
He went - Hän meni
We went - Me menimme
You went - Te menitte
They went - He menivät
A good Finnish-English-Finnish Dictionary can be found in the address http://www.tracetech.net/db.htm ;)
Hehe, voipi vaan olla, ettei kovin monellakaan ole noita ääkkösiä asennettuna ;)
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Since English is getting overused in the MA, perhaps we need to perk it, say 8 points like the C-hog.
Charon
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why not some dead language, latin?
curro
curris
currit
currimus
curritis
currunt
(or similar, can't really remember ;) )
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thanks guys ! I appreciate the language lessons
Of course , I wouldn't be able to understand it on AHV :)
I got your meaning also: one shouldn't assume a con can understand a voice message and should use the text buffer to assure comprehension.
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This is AMERICA where the language is ENGLISH
Better:"This is USA where..."
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(sigh)
Aces High is a internet game not a usanet game...
Multilangue rules here, perkele!
:rolleyes:
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Just reply in rapid fire Spanish Mando, they'll soon figure it out. ;-)
Blue....who BTW is Australian, hence barely able to speak English, let alone any other language .
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Originally posted by Samm
Are there different dialects of english ?
Get an American, an Australian, a New Zealander and a South African in a conversation with an Englishman and tell me if they all speak the same :)
We all ( those nationalities in the above list) speak the same language, English, but have very differant ways of speaking it.
As far as that goes, i used to work with two english blokes, who apparently lived 20 miles apart back home in the UK, to listen to them speak, they sounded like they were from differant countries alltogether.
I have heard that English is one of the more difficult languages to learn because of the amount of words we have that are spelt very simillarly, yet pronounced entirely differantly, eg. cough, through, rough, plough, though....five differant ways of pronouncing the 'ough' bit.....I'm sure there are more, just cant think of any right now, theres something like ten or twelve ways.
And then you have 'slang' versions of the English language....if I were to type exactly as I spoke to my friends etc, a lot of guys who's native tongue was English would wonder what I was talking about, particularly the Seppos ;-)
Blue
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How about to add more keyboard commands with predefined voice messages (which you can easily change with your own voice/language)?
We have "Check Six", how about to add:
"con around you, be careful"
"help me"
"on the way to help you"
"don`t talk to me, I don`t understand English" ;)
and more, etc. etc.
If you are not sure the other guy can understand well or you cannot speak well English and you have no time to type whole message in text buffer- no problem, just push keyboard shortcut :)
czpetr
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:rolleyes:
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Originally posted by Wlfgng
this topic always cracks me up.
It's like having non-english speaking people serving me at 7-11.
This is AMERICA where the language is ENGLISH.
this is an American game.. look at the webpage, the helpfiles, etc..
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Wlfgng Zeit die Fahne aufzurollen und dort hin zu stecken wo die Sonne nur selten hin scheint...
:rolleyes:
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Originally posted by Vector
I went - Mina menin
You went - Sina menit
He went - Han meni
We went - Me menimme
You went - Te menitte
They went - He menivat
Notice how those words bends, uhoh :)
Okay... how about some good old English Dialect from the Southern States...
I went - My gone
You went- Y'all went
He went- He gone
We went- Weuns went
You went- Bye
They went- Y'all went
Maybe we all could just start talking in Russian
:)
BOOT
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>>This is AMERICA where the language is ENGLISH.
this is an American game.. look at the webpage, the helpfiles, etc.. <<
Hehe, this would be helped by a bit more radio discipline I think. It isn't as hard to understand..'check 6' or, 'nme inbound at 16k'
rather than some of the chatter that gets in the way. At times its been hard trying to find a channel that isn't filled with guys running their mouths :)
Then there's the aspect of chatter that is even more frustrating; the guy(s) who are from a different part of the country with hvy local accents that I can't understand :confused:
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Yesterday I recognized my nick between a lot of strange and gutural sounds, I'm progressing :D