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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: MANDOBLE on April 12, 2002, 04:05:50 AM
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IMO, it is a risk for any software project to have it depending on a single programmer and a single modeler, mainly when the customer base has grown to a noticeable size.
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Indeed. Look what happened to Warbirds... :(
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Originally posted by beet1e
Indeed. Look what happened to Warbirds... :(
Yeah developer left the house (someone called HiTech If I remember right :p) and from then WB went balistic... :D
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Forgive me for saying this.....but it would seem to me that the single programmer and modeler got AH THIS far, in fact I would be so bold as to say that the small, tightnit team is one of the reasons it has been so successfull, one of the major reasons.
The size of the customer base has nothing whatsoever to do with it really, it doesnt matter if two people fly it or two thousand...each part of AH, each new plane, feature or whatever, takes the same amount of time to develop regardless.
All the size of the customer base influences is HTC's income figures.
More developers, programmer's artists etc just means more chiefs for the indians so to speak, hence more differing opinions, hence a SLOWER development cycle.
If something aint broken, why try to fix it?
IMHO, HTC are doing a fantastic job, and they have been for years, why would you want them to change the way they go about it?
Blue
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2 modelers- Superfly and Natedog.
It doesn't matter either, with more customers they need to build more? Not at all, with more customers they just need to maintain the same track record they've been doing to date.
-SW
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Pretty hard to take advice from somebody on how many programmers we need when they are wrong about how many programmers we have.
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What I mean with one modeler is just one flight model modeler (Pyro). The customer base is an important factor here. If I have a product that depends exclusively on me and a single customer is not the same as if there were thousands of customers, that makes me a much more critic node for much more people. Just imagine the Windows code depending on a single person.
IMO, two main programmers and two flight model experts may be a good team size for a product like AH, and that is not going to multiply exponentially the number of "bosses".
Of course, If I'm wrong about the number of programmers they have, then WTG for HTC. But with programmers I mean main programmers, that is, if one fails, the other is able to control all the application code and continue the develop without problems.
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That makes absolutely no sense Mandoble.
With more customers, you do _NOT_ need more manpower. More people does not necessitate larger updates, especially when you get up to 6 planes in an update with many more features.
Il-2 has a team twice, or larger, the size of HTC.... yet they have turned out only 1 plane since it's release with "promises of more"... while 2 3rd party aircraft are on the way.
-SW
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Wulfe, you simply dont understand. This is not a man power problem, this is a security problem to ensure the "life" of a product if one people fails due any cause. Lets suppose Pyro becomes budist and feel the need to live in the Tibet for 5 years.
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LOL Pyro, as to the rest of this thread, well HTC seem to be doing the job just fine and the updates are still being churned out.
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Yes you are very wrong about that. All you had to do was look at the credits to see. Instead, you just choose to criticize us and probably make somebody feel less good about their job by ignoring their existence and contributions and calling for someone to be hired to fill a job that is already occupied and well done. Thanks for the morale boost!
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Ok, sorry then, this is my fault for not looking in the credits page. In any case my post doenst mean the work of the rest of the team is not appreciated.
But I had the feel that only Pyro was able to model a 109K, for example. And that only HiTech was able to code the behabiour of a stall, if this is not the case, sorry again, that is my fault.
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Mandoble, apparently you are missing the point.
No matter what, there is no way you can hire someone and "teach" them your code. You can do it... sort of... but they'll still be sitting there going "Wtf does this do?"
Pyro and HT have been together for a long, long time now. AH is there practice, unless they got offered a substantial sum of money to leave AH (although maybe they won't after their last run-in with a large corporation) they probably won't go anywhere.
And what's the benefit on HTC's side if they hire a couple extras "just in case"? Absolutely none, they lose money on that... and have to teach someone their code.
It's not like teaching someone the design of a car, that's child's play compared to program code.
And in reply to you windows thing, Microsoft is huge.. They must have like a couple hundred people working on Windows... and they don't call it Winblows for nothing. The more hands you got in something, the messier it becomes.
-SW
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less is more.
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Wulfe, I actually have several teams working in several telecontrol projects around the world, each one has a minimum of two lead programmers and less than that has been desmostrated to be very dangerous.
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Ok, and?
You simply can not compare what you do verse what HTC does.
I've seen groups of several semi-talented people put together a decent program, while a team of 2 people put together a very well designed program in less time.
Having a new guy come in to learn the code is just as dangerous as you having less programmers... look at the transition from WB2.xx to WBIII, need I say more?
-SW
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Originally posted by Pyro
Thanks for the morale boost!
Hey, don't take him too seriously. We know that HiTech and, um, some other guy do all the work around there, and the other five people just sit on their hands and read the message board :D
It would be nice to know how these other people manage to read the message board while they are sitting on their hands.
As the saying goes, if it's not broke...
You guys keep doing what you do, and I'll keep sending pizzas.
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My guess would be that HTC has a team that is very comfortable with each other. They know what each person does, how each person does their job, and what they can expect from each other. Why on earth would they want to mess that up by adding more people to a team that is already functioning at a very efficient level?
-math
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Is this the anti-thread?
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All I gotta say is... Why fix something that ain't broke?
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Originally posted by Yeager
Is this the anti-thread?
I've never had a 1o1 conversation with MANDOBLE, and I suspect if the opportunity arose there would be language problems, but he sure seems to have a talent for gnawing on shoe leather.
Maybe he was just trying to compete with that other guy for the WoW?
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??? whats the point of this post?
I dont see AH slowing up or laggin behind in any way?
I dont see AH Takeing forever to bring out new updates etc.
In fact as far as i have whitnessed so far
AH (small team or otherwise)
Has constantly updated the Program at an astounding rate (anyone playing Warbirds or WWIIonline will testifie that AH brings out more updates quicker than either of its closest competitors)
They have not only updates the arena and plane set constantly, but also provided other free standing software to enable us to have more funtionality (AH terrain editor, AH voice, AH weather editor, AH fim editor) all of which are large projects in there own right.
They have proven that wihin sencible suggestions they listen to and take notice of player input.
They Keep there player base udated all the time with frequent screen shots and production progress notices.
And afer all that they also find time to jump into the game itself to participate and mingle with the commoners (Us :) )
In my opinion i have never seen this level of dedication, feedback, product updates and add ons and customer support from ANY other online game.
And all for the price of a newspaper each day
WTFG HTC Keep up the damn good work.
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Now we not only our game sucks, but we also suck at building a company.
Whooow is me, might as well end it.
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Hmm maby we need a new award for the most ararogant post of the year.
This one would get my vote.
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hehe.. yeah... might as well retire and start washin' dishes!
lol
Better yet, host huge parties at your house !
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I'm sorry HiTech... but what do you know about building an on-line flight sim? I'm going to have to side with MANDOBLE's vast experience in critiquing flight sims and total inability to get anything done without two lead programmers.
If you were worth anything, you would admit that you need another lead programmer like... say... me. I don't really know much about programming, though I did some work with BASIC and VBASIC... it's all pretty much the same from what I hear. I mean.. they key is getting more lead programmers right? Well.. that's a simple solution.
Oh.. yeah... I'll neead about $100,000/year too. I figure that's a bargain for a lead programmer... though I admit I don't really know what a lead programmer earns. That's more along the lines of what you'd have to pay me to move to Texas.
Oh yea... I also have a very good "feel" for how aircraft should handle. I've flown in several passenger jets and military cargo transports... as well as a jaunt in a Cessna 185 one time. I should be able to dispell much of the "it doesn't feel right" complaints within the first week.
So... HT... admit that MANDOBLE is right and hire me. Its the least you could do. It just might save your company. At the very least... It'd get me a free trip to Texas.
AKDejaVu
Lead Programmer
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I hope this is not my english:
1 - Actual team is doing their job perfectly.
2 - The product is growing at more than decent rate.
3 - Everything is ok.
This post is not going against their actual work at all. What I mean is that this product is growing fast and well. And the actual team is enough to do the work. All that is clear.
So, This is not a critic to the actual work of the company, if some one has taken this this way, he is wrong.
Lets suppose Pyro, for example, due some personal reasons need to be absent for four months, are you going to see a new plane type meanwhile? This is what I mean, not that the actual work of Pyro is bad or anything similar.
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Originally posted by Obear1971
??? whats the point of this post?
I dont see AH slowing up or laggin behind in any way?
I dont see AH Takeing forever to bring out new updates etc.
Ahh you missed the part about getting the 109k modeled. See, 'cause the reason that it hasn't been modeled is lack of programers. Besides, more programers would mean less chance the LW planes would all be porked :rolleyes:
There's almost always a LW message in Mandys posts, and it's usually a complaint.
-Sikboy
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well so long as the next time HT dissappears into Civ 3 there is someone to watch the shop... and what if he never returns?!?!?
SKurj
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Hahem ...
I don't read Mandoble post like you guys neither as harsh or rude
I just read a concern about perinity (continuation) of the software in case something bad happen to one of the HTC team
I do think it a legitimate concern but I do think also that it should not be discussed in a public place
IMO it is an internal HTC concern we have nothing to say about that.
But as usual I can be wrong.
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Mandoble's principal language is not english, nor is mine. Perhaps that is the reason I do not see anything against HTC in Mandoble's post. Sure this is very odd topic and I do not know the reason for Mandoble to post it.
Could be that the subject's tone got ppl in defensive mood, but certainly there is no whining or blaming, this thread just tends to develope more and more aggressive when more and more ppl arrives...
IMO :)
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hmm
there's nothing i can add to this thread that hasnt already been said (on both sides)
i just wanted to say i dropped in before it hit 100+ replies!
++moose was here++
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Well honestly....
There is no denying that Aces High will be hurt if Hitech crashes a Ferrari into an embankment going 200 miles an hour. His car keys should definitely be taken away just to be safe. We can't let his cruel and insensitive self interest put our leisure time at risk! Chaining him to his desk where he is safe probably fulfills the minimal requirements of prudence.
And just to be extra safe, MANDOBLE should donate his brain to HTC as insurance, so they always have a spare on hand. HTC could store it onsite in one of those Dr. Frankenstein jars filled with bubbling liquid. Besides, it's not like MANDOBLE is using it anyway. I'm certain that this would be a good deal for everyone.
Hooligan
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Originally posted by Hooligan
And just to be extra safe, MANDOBLE should donate his brain to HTC as insurance, so they always have a spare on hand. HTC could store it onsite in one of those Dr. Frankenstein jars filled with bubbling liquid. Besides, it's not like MANDOBLE is using it anyway. I'm certain that this would be a good deal for everyone.
Hooligan
wit of the week contender right there
sry to poke fun at anyone but that one made me laugh
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I understand what MANDOBLE is saying now. He is pointing out the "what if someone gets hit by a bus" scenario. This come up at work for me too. If I am the only programmer, and I get hit by a bus, then the project is screwed (or at least dramatically effected).
But what I think everyone first read into the post was that MANDOBLE was critical of HTC because he thought that they only had one programmer and one modeler. Although I do not know what first sparked his concern, we know that this is not true so I do not see a reason to beat him up about it. I don't think his "advice" was meant with malice.
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Straffo, Mandoble- I replied to Mandoble's post based on what he said.
I'd have to say it's more detrimental to the company to have another programmer tacked on "just in case". The fact that they then have to go and learn the code, HiTech's spelling, and other such nonsense to even be able to attempt to pick up where a programmer *might* have ended... well all you have to do is look at WBIII. It took them close to 2 years to get to where they are today, which isn't very far.
There is no immediate need for an extra programmer, and HiTech made it clear that he wants this company to remain as small as possible. Hiring here and there, for the "just in case" train of thought will lead to bankruptcy or overstaffing.
I'm sure that, if for whatever reason he or Pyro or someone else leaves, they have a plan of action... if not, time to find a new game.
Either way, I'll bet a box of donuts they thought about something like that happening well before this thread started.
-SW
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I see your point Mandoble, but I hardly see it as General Discussion Forum material.
As a private suggestion from one bussiness person to another via e-mail, I'd find it not only normal, but praiseworthy.
In here (General Forum), you know what you are going to find so just... don't :)
We could all just drop the matter as well, shall we?
Thanks :)
Daniel
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cc that SW :)
I just tried to explain how I understanded the 1st post of Mandoble as after I got a ... "Error 100545 Translation buffer overflow" and an "Error 100546 User to lazy to translate" :D
Images too big ... deleted ...
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Message by HiTech clear out of blue.
To Vector:
I think you should get married and have 7 kids, that way they could feed you if you didn't plan for retirement.
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Vector:Responds
But hitech im already married have my retirement taken care of and have no need of more children.
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HiTech Responds.
But vector how can you be so foolish as to not see im just looking out for your best interest.
You realy should take my advice since my great grandparents did this and they lived and died like a person should. I havn't said you are making bad choices, but you realy should listen to me and take my advice, since im so all knowing, and am thinking of nothing but your best interest.
And btw you should also marry a brunet, since I have talked to my friends and we found out after our extensive 10 min research that brunets can run faster when they put on weight. But the weight isn't near as important in there running speed as the color of there eyes.
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Vector responds HiTech who and how many kids and who I marry have are none of your buisness.
You have just instulted my wife, since she is blond, you have insulted my kids, since you assume even 1 of them would take care of me in need. You insult me by assuming I wouldn't plan for retirement.
You tell me im making a mistake by not taking your advice and changing wives, there for telling me my judgment isn't worth crap.
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HiTech Responds.
But Vector I was just concerned for you.
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Does this shead light on how totaly rude and insulting madobles post is?
P.S.
And vector I in no way am flaming you here, just picked your handle since it was the last reponse.
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You know, it's free advice and you get what you pay for! :)
Moose, yah, was thinking of dusting off Wit for that one. WTG Hooli!
...man, I was just thinking.. What if Grapevine is the next Al-Qaeda target???
HT, you better have a "Shadow HTC" setup already to go.. ;)
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Gawd...
I'm not sure which turned my stomach more....the silly question or the HTC Staff diving in to display how thin skinned they are. :rolleyes:
Some posts are better left unanswered, ya know :)
I don't think the guy meant harm asking what he did. But geesh guys, that office needs to switch to decaf, or have a hand-holding Kum-By-Yah session :D :p :D
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Continually rub sandpaper over even the thickest skin and it will eventually thin out.
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Originally posted by Citabria
less is more.
hey i keep telling all those women that and they dont believe me!!! :D
naa seriously I see Aces high as much more the 'love child' of a tight nit group. The ONLY reason they would need more programmers etc is if they are not satisfied with their progress in building the game up.I cant see that as the case.Look at how much we have had in the time since , say WB3 or IL2 were released.Both of those games have had hardly anything added from what ive heard and AH continues to grow at a steady pace.
If the pace drops off then they will lose customer interest of course and this would be the only time they would need others.
I think mandoble you might be one of the customers who has yet to dabble with the film editor from last release?
if I hadnt started to use it i think i too would assume the pace of change had slowed somewhat in AH BUT since ive really started to ENJOY using it Ive come to appreciate the work involved by adding it.
anyway my 2 cents.
team seems to work fine and to them all.
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HiTech already has a 'shadow' operation...
it's pretty covert though..
it's called the Bass Pro Shop. :eek:
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I think we need to get HiTech, Pyro and Yankee into a smoking cessation class at the local clinic. I want them to still be around in 20 years! :)
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Kick his bellybutton Ronni !!! Kick his bellybutton !!!
:D
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OK HiTech, I'm sure I got it...
I believe I'm sure I got it...
I'm sure I believe I got it...
I know I think I got it...
I quess I got it...
Naaah, who am I kidding, I did not get it :p
You sound like my mother!
I agree this post doesn't belong to these boards, but I'm still sure mandoble's intention was not to blame HTC with THIS post.
I hope you american and british ppl do understand that rest of us, who's not speaking english as their mother language has different way to think word orders and we may have quite limited vocabulary((sp?) straight from the dictionary (sp?) ;)). An expression could mean totally different for us than to you who has large vocabulary and probably more suitable word to express that particular thing.
ps. I'm not saying that this language thing could have affected mandoble's post, but this was just good place to say it.
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MANDOBLE......¿como puedes decir eso?.
He llegado tarde al Thread pero me he quedado frio.
Que falta de tacto y que soberbia, ¿no?.
Somebody is pissing outside of the pot. :(
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Is it just me, or did this whole mess start when MANDOLBLE stated a solution for a problem that did not even exist in the first place?!?!?
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I think it all started when MANDOBLE proposed changing the business model of HTC without fully understanding what their business model is.
In truth, I'd say he was trying to be helpful, and I suspect he's been more than a little taken aback by the responce. What was intended as a helpful suggestion has gotten him pilloried.
It has turned into a very nice birthday presant :rolleyes:
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I understood what MANDOBLE was saying, even in his first post. I think HiTech and Pyro just took it the wrong way. I took his meaning to be that he was concerned what would happen to the development cycle of the game if HiTech were to be hit by a bus.
It'a legitimate concern, but not something that is any of our business.
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what if mandoble gets hit by a bus?
we better get more mandoble's to be safe
so i've determined that if we rename the following players everything will be ok.
wilbuz=mandoble2
minus=mandoble3
lazs=mandoble4
this way we will always have somone named mandoble talking giberish.
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This advice was obstensibly given out of concern. If one were that concerned about our team, I'd think they'd make certain what we all do before suggesting that we need to hire somebody to do a job that is already is already staffed and done damn well. I'm not trying to say it was intentional, I'm just pointing it out.
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The fact is if the HTC team decides they have had enough then thats it for AH. Full stop. It's their baby and their business how they run it. I for 1 would take great exception if my customers told me how to run my business. Thats the problem here, AH belongt to HTC we just pay for the right to play it. It seems the some people seem to think that the operation of HTC is something they should have an input in. It's all about boundaries and not going where your not welcome. We can suggest how we would like the software to develop and HTC can choose to take that on board or not. HTC has the job of running the show and continuing development, how they do that is their business.
I can see where Hitech is coming from on this one.
However I do know Mandoble would never deliberatly insult HTC, often we all say insulting things to one another, when we don't mean to insult.
Gremlin.
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I have noticed that with the years, whiners have become more stealthy in their craft.
They know that they will be instantly ridiculed and ignored when they moan about something, so they post something else with their whine cleverly hidden there somewhere.
In the case of Mandoble's post, he is just implying that HiTech should hire more people so they can hurry up and fix his precious LW rides, and finally fulfill his request to model the 109K.
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Well, the fact is that this morning a friend on mine, project leader and the only main programmer for one of our SCADA projects left the company for some fundamented personal reasons. The software used in this particular project was known only by him and about 5 millon dollars are actually floating in the air.
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Did he own the buisness MANDOBLE? Can you possibly see that there might be a difference?
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Pongo waves hand..
HT!
Pick me! pick me!
You gotta fill out your roster buddy!
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Originally posted by Citabria
what if mandoble gets hit by a bus?
we better get more mandoble's to be safe
so i've determined that if we rename the following players everything will be ok.
wilbuz=mandoble2
minus=mandoble3
lazs=mandoble4
this way we will always have somone named mandoble talking giberish.
that is a dam fine flame...
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Pyro,
I'll gladly try out all the new planes in the MA before ya release em to the un-washed masses.
I'm just grateful to be of help anyway I can :D
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I think at this years con HTC needs to rent one of those oversized boxing rings and sumo suits and sell tickets.. Im sure it will be well used.
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Originally posted by SunKing
I think at this years con HTC needs to rent one of those oversized boxing rings and sumo suits and sell tickets.. Im sure it will be well used.
Post potato. :D
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Originally posted by MANDOBLE
IMO, it is a risk for any software project to have it depending on a single programmer and a single modeler, mainly when the customer base has grown to a noticeable size.
I would steer your attention to Fred Brooks' wonderful book, _The Mythical Man-Month_. If a small team is capable of doing the work, you *should* have a small team, because you waste less time in intra-team communication and spend more time doing the work.
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Originally posted by hitech
Now we not only our game sucks, but we also suck at building a company.
Whooow is me, might as well end it.
Naw, that's too harsh. Just send those bottles of Scotch to me, until you've atoned for your software engineering sins. I'll let you know when that is...
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Originally posted by Citabria
what if mandoble gets hit by a bus?
we better get more mandoble's to be safe
so i've determined that if we rename the following players everything will be ok.
wilbuz=mandoble2
minus=mandoble3
lazs=mandoble4
this way we will always have somone named mandoble talking giberish.
oh this one's a classic
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Ronni is a programer. She writes code for AH. How can she write code for AH, if she doesn't know how the code for AH works. Oh wait, let me take a shot at this one, she does. :)
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lol
it must not be broken (HTC) because we're all still paying !
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Mandoble just wishes he had someone at HTC that would see things his way.
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To be fair to Mandoble (with whom I frequently disagree and sometimes can't understand) I know what he was trying to say. I don't think it was necessarily intended to be an insult, though it is easy to see how it might be taken that way. Cut him a little slack.
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I agree Kieran. I dont know how much of his post was sideways whineing about the 109k but I dont think he had any intention of insulting anyone are HTC.
Maybe when HT has to take 10 months off to write AH 2.0 another hand will be needed to back up Ronni.
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Originally posted by Kieran
To be fair to Mandoble (with whom I frequently disagree and sometimes can't understand) I know what he was trying to say. I don't think it was necessarily intended to be an insult, though it is easy to see how it might be taken that way. Cut him a little slack.
When it comes to taking his posts as insults, Mandy has made his bed, now he's got to lie in it. Almost anyone could have posted this in here and not gotten much flack. But because of his history of contentious posts, Mandoble is stuck with the consequences of his reputation.
Indeed, now Mandoble knows how Joan or Arc felt :rolleyes:
-Sikboy
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Mando seek help.
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Originally posted by banana
I understood what MANDOBLE was saying, even in his first post. I think HiTech and Pyro just took it the wrong way. I took his meaning to be that he was concerned what would happen to the development cycle of the game if HiTech were to be hit by a bus.
It'a legitimate concern, but not something that is any of our business.
This is how I read the original statement as well. Poor MANDOBLE may have dug himself into a deap hole before he even had a clue what he was actually saying.
Anyway, I'm going to assume that his intentions were not all that bad and he just did a poor job of expressing himself in his second language.
eskimo
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HT owns a Ferrari?! WTG!! Can I take it out for a short drive and give it the 'ole road and track?:D
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This thread is just like:
A: Hey B, beware, this room is dark and there are holes in the floor.
B: ARE U CALLING ME STUPID??? RETARDED! I KNOW THERE ARE HOLES AND I HAVE SOME TOOLS FOR THE MATTER!!
Frankly pathetic, but typical ...
Desired, but utopical version:
A: Hey B, beware, this room is dark and there are holes in the floor.
B: Dont worry A, I have a torch with me, but thanks anyway.
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Frankly pathetic, but typical ...
Don't make me sorry for defending you.:(
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Originally posted by MANDOBLE
This thread is just like:
A: Hey B, beware, this room is dark and there are holes in the floor.
B: ARE U CALLING ME STUPID??? RETARDED! I KNOW THERE ARE HOLES AND I HAVE SOME TOOLS FOR THE MATTER!!
Frankly pathetic, but typical ...
Desired, but utopical version:
A: Hey B, beware, this room is dark and there are holes in the floor.
B: Dont worry A, I have a torch with me, but thanks anyway.
How about this:
A: Stand up straight. Quit mumbling, you sound like a dork! When are you going to stop letting your mother dress you? You really ought to do something with your hair. Oh, the room is dark and there are ho...
B: WOULD YOU PLEASE SHUT THE diddly UP?!?!
Maybe you don't feel you've played the role of A in this third scenario, but that is how you've come across, and many people have tried to tell you for some time now.
That is why a conflagration is now melting your Walkman (thanks for the ref, SB.)
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Heh! RY and Fester made funnies.
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Kieran, you may be as sorry as you want, but I cant find a bit of sense in 90% of the repies to this topic.
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Originally posted by Hooligan
Well honestly.
And just to be extra safe, MANDOBLE should donate his brain to HTC as insurance, so they always have a spare on hand. HTC could store it onsite in one of those Dr. Frankenstein jars filled with bubbling liquid. Besides, it's not like MANDOBLE is using it anyway. I'm certain that this would be a good deal for everyone.
Hooligan
Damn that was funny , lol .
HT anc Co.
ps: Were u going to store it onsite ? :D
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Just in case you didn't understand me, I am referring to the line where you remarked "Frankly pathetic, but typical".
Was that to most of the respondants to this thread? If so, I can understand. If it is directed at HTC, it fully vindicates the posts against you. See what I mean?
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Originally posted by Lance
Heh! RY and Fester made funnies.
I think cit/fester should get some kind of award for his flame..
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Some of us write as children.
Hitech says: Hmm maby we need a new award for the most ararogant post of the year.
This one would get my vote.
My vote is for you Hitech. You need a little more humility with people don't employ your language and do it an error posting a BBS thinking HTC have only a programmer. He admit his error and you posted that great BBS.
Hmmm hitech is a great gentelmen... Yes he is.
P.D. any answer in spanish i want to laught a lot
:p
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LOL RatPenat, answers in spanish will start a total missunderstanding war.
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I only want that they have same problems i have to explain me in a estrange language and laught a lot :D
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RatPenat
When you made your last post, did you do so with the full history of the relationship between Mandoble and HTC in mind, or did you take this post to be an isolated incident? Most of the respondants of this thread have considered the whole picture rather than this one particular incident.
I for one was/am willing to give Mandoble the benefit of the doubt because of the language barrier, the caveat being what he meant in his previous post: "Frankly pathetic, but typical". He still hasn't clarified to whom precisely this was directed. In my mind it makes all the difference in the world.
I'll give you the benefit of the doubt, as I don't recognize your nick and know how I'd feel about this thread if I wasn't a regular here.
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First I'm only in AcesHigh since December, i dont know all AH comunity. I read a lot of BBS from Mandoble. I know he is critic with FM. I'm not an expert in WWII planes, i never was into WWII and only i saw a p47, spit IX, F4u and p51 fly and they weren't in combat.
But too many people complain about how LW planes are modeled. I see it how some planes are used too much, I see it how some planes are perked and other aren't and i dont know why, I see it the total gangbang in MA.
I only can respect opinions other persons and wait HTC do it better for game
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But too many people complain about how LW planes are modeled.
I challenge you to find a single sim where this is not the case.
AKDejaVu
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Originally posted by RatPenat
But too many people complain about how LW planes are modeled. I see it how some planes are used too much, I see it how some planes are perked and other aren't and i dont know why, I see it the total gangbang in MA.
WTF has that to do with Mandoble's post??? English or no english, I can see what you are saying here and it just proves that this whole thing is a LW post cunningly disguised as a regular whine.
I tried to see it from Mandobles point of view and keep coming back to the same conclusion.
Gremlin.
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Sorry these are my words no mandoble words, and i usually fly p38 and f4u.
Please don't employ my words to attack a friend (te puedo llamar amigo Matias)
I think Mandoble is trying to do positive critics and never is trying to sink AH. He only wants a better game from his point of view. A game that never closes like my loved AW
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The HTC Team
Dale "Hitech" Addink
CEO
Doug "Pyro" Balmos
VP
JoAnn "Yankee" Colcleasure
General Manager
John "Superfly" Guytan
Art Director
Mathew "Aurelius" Klinge
Technical Support
Nathan "Natedog" Mathieu
Art Director
Veronica "Ronni" Newman
Sr. Programmer/Webmaster <----------------------------
She's pretty quite I quess.
xBAT
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Originally posted by AKDejaVu
I challenge you to find a single sim where this is not the case.
AKDejaVu
Mig Alley ?
;) :p
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REAL MADRID
Goalkeepers
1 - Iker Casillas Fernández
13 - César Sánchez Domínguez
27 - Carlos Sánchez García
Defense
2 - Míchel Salgado Fernández
3 - Roberto Carlos Da Silva
4 - Fernando Ruiz Hierro
6 - Iván Helguera Bujía
12 - Iván Campo Ramos
15 - Geremi Sorelle Ndjitap Fotso
18 - Aitor Karanka De la Hoz
22 - Francisco Pavón Barahona
26 - Oscar Miñambres Pascual
29 - Borja Fernández Fernández
33 - Rubén González Rocha
Mids
5 - Zinedine Zidane
8 - Steve McManaman
10 - Luis Filipe Madeira Caeiro Figo
14 - Jose María Gutiérrez Hernández
16 - Flavio Conceiçao
17 - Alberto Rivera Pizarro
20 - Albert Celades López
21 - Santiago Hernán Solari
24 - Claude Makelele
30 - Raúl Bravo Sanfelix
32 - Valmiro Lopes Rocha Valdo
Attack
7 - Raúl González Blanco
9 - Fernando Morientes Sánchez
11 - Savio Bortolini Pimentel
19 - Elvir Baljic
23 - Pedro Munitis Álvarez
39 - Javier García Portillo
OOoh sorry confused :eek:
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Kieran, can u resume my supposed "incident history" with HTC? Try to expose it with as much detail as possible cause some new players reading u may be keeping a biased impression.
Ah, my critic was about MOST if not ALL the actual replies to this thread. This thread has nothing to do with LW, RAF or whatever. The most funny thing is that some of u even issued that this was a cover action to get 109K modeled... ...frankly impressive deduction power :D :D :D
RatPenat no matter what u say, just write LW anywhere in your posts and you will be a LW whinner forever.
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deja all the sims are against the noble LW. If LW planes were so bad then how did they win the war eh?
lazs
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Originally posted by straffo
Mig Alley ?
;) :p
ROFL
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Originally posted by MANDOBLE
Kieran, can u resume my supposed "incident history" with HTC? Try to expose it with as much detail as possible cause some new players reading u may be keeping a biased impression.
Or.... just hit "search" on Mandoble, and let the record speak for itself. :rolleyes:
-Sikboy