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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: lord dolf vader on April 13, 2002, 09:26:25 AM
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how much we give israel every day of the year. hehe no wonder they have national health care and we dont.
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Note this one on your calendar :)
I agree with Towd here.
We're loooooooong past the time that Israel needs that kind of aid from the US.
Not much hope of getting it changed in the US Congress though (IMO).
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17 Million?
That's all? Hell... that's nothing. That's not enough to buy a single F-16 fighter.
We spent $1.3 Billion for Project Columbia.
One more number to put this in perspective and I'm not saying that this is a poor investment, but it costs the U.S. $13 Billion each year to operate JUST the Marine Corps.
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Yeah, but couldn't it be put to better use elsewhere? Are there 365 hospitals or schools that could do with even a fraction of that money?
Perhaps the US government could start a new scheme called 'Money We Used to Send to Dubious Unappreciate Middle Eastern Democracy'.
Civic projects and the like could apply for a slice of this money to help fund their endeavours. We kind of do a similar thing over here with our lottery money. It's been quite successful.
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Originally posted by Dowding
Perhaps the US government could start a new scheme called 'Money We Used to Send to Dubious Unappreciate Middle Eastern Democracy'.
Why be so restrictive? How about:
"Money We Used to Send to Dubious Unappreciative Countries All Over The Globe" ?
Maybe we could then have a well-funded public health program and improve our schools and.. and.. and......
:)
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17 million isnt even a drop in the bucket. That probably covers Israelis ammunition cost for 1 day.
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did you read what he wrote. he said 17 million a day. thats 6 billion a year, is this really true?
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I've seen same numbers but I can't be sure if they are correct or not.
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Why don't you lobby your Senator, Toad? Sounds like a good idea to me. I wonder how much the US recuperates in improved trade relations though? Are there conditions on where and how such money is spent - for instance all arms have to be of American origin.
As for the figure, I've seen 5 billion quoted.
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Originally posted by Zigrat
did you read what he wrote. he said 17 million a day. thats 6 billion a year, is this really true?
Wow... you're right. This is what I get for responding to posts when I'm half-awake.
Million here, million there and pretty soon we're talking about real money. $6 Billion is far far too much.
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http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/Senate/7891/index_usint.html
several other sources if you want to look. bogles the mind no.
cut them off without a dime.
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Originally posted by Sandman_SBM
17 Million?
That's all? Hell... that's nothing. That's not enough to buy a single F-16 fighter.
But you can buy one every two days :D
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Originally posted by Dowding
Why don't you lobby your Senator, Toad?
Because my Senators... and Representatives... like politicians in EVERY country EVERYWHERE are for sale to the highest bidder.
And I'm not even in the same league with guys that can bid for them; in fact, I'm not even bidding. :D
However, the idea of "buying" a politician always reminds me of what happened when American "big business" thought they owned Teddy Roosevelt.
That instince of "buying" gave rise to the famous outburst from steel baron Henry Clay Frick: "We bought the son of a squeak and then he didn't stay bought!"
:)
The idea that the US Congress would even reduce, let alone totally cut off, aid to Israel flies in the face of everything we know about politicians and "special interests" with deep pockets. It won't happen. However, they may not "stay bought" for long; they're always "on sale" again soon.
Take a look at the entire list of countries we send money to and post a link here. I'd like to see it. I bet there's plenty of "questionable" folks on the list.
Sure, it bothers me.
But I don't let it keep me awake at night.
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Money makes the world go around eh? ;)
That's why we should do away with it and embrace international communism!!!
I had to say that, in case Cabby was reading this thread. Wouldn't want to dispel any set-in-stone illusions.
But seriously, I don't think Western democracies provide aid out of the goodness of their hearts, or at least not too often. That would be incompatible with cold hard capitalism, IMO. There would have to be kick-backs. Does Israel ever buy arms from other countries, for instance?
Where does Egypt spend its money?
I'd do a search but it's sunday and I'm going for a run. :)
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Originally posted by Dowding
But seriously, I don't think Western democracies provide aid out of the goodness of their hearts, or at least not too often. That would be incompatible with cold hard capitalism, IMO. There would have to be kick-backs.
So, if all aid isn't given totally altruistically it's not really "aid" and no one should take pride inthe giving or helpin?
So, if we give some country... say Afghanistan or someplace.... 100 million tons of US wheat then we should be ashamed that we also helped US wheat farmers by artificially raising demand for US wheat? We should be ashamed of this positive "kickback"?
We should rather give them a big slug of money and suggest they buy the wheat from Canada?
Tell me this isn't what you're saying. :)
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Don't put words in my mouth.
I'm just interested in how big the kick-backs get, there wasn't a moral judgement in sight. ;)
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well from alot of reading seems like isaeli airforce is 90% us stuff but they had french stuff early on. and they domesticly produce some very nice modern equipment.
and i have a insight to alot of egyptian aid, i use to work for continental grain as a ship coordinator. we shipped several ships a year of various grains they were one of our largest customers at hundreds of thousands of tons annualy.
i found this
" The US extends 655 million of annual economic aid to Egypt plus $ 1.3 billion in military aid"
cite
http://www.arabicnews.com/ansub/Daily/Day/020302/2002030245.html
seems a little crazy to give arms to israel and egypt at the same time, who knows mayby there is a reason. i wonder what form the military aid takes, couldent find anything on that.
edit:I
:in 1999, Egypt received a $3.2 billion grant from the United States to subsidize a major military moderization program. This grant has resulted in the sale of 24 top of the line F-16 fighter jets, 200 heavy tanks and 3 Patriot missile system fire units. Congressional approval of the sale of AMRAAM missiles to Egypt followed in 2000; to appease Israel, the terms of the sale stipulate that Egypt will not be allowed to deploy these missiles on their aircraft. High value purchases continue in 2001 with the sales of helicopters, missile patrol craft, three-dimensional radar systems, 26 MLRS and 50 Stinger Vehicle Universal Launchers. Egypt's coproduction agreements also allow it to manufacture American weapons, such as the M1A1 Abrams main battle tank, on Egyptian soil." some pretty nice stuff the same site says small arms are a large part of the aid,
that is one buttload of m16s and 50 cals.
cite http://www.fas.org/asmp/profiles/egypt.htm
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Haven't looked at it either but it wouldn't suprise me if the aid to Egypt didn't have its roots in the Camp David accords.
There always seems to be a need for a "carrot" to get folks to do the things even they realize need to be done.
It'll be the same when the bloodletting finally slows up this time. We'll be offering aid to anyone who'll promise not to kill someone else.. at least for a little while...
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Hm, Toad, how about sending some aid to Denmark?
After all, we're suffering here from the horrible weather.
I am sure 17 million a day would help.
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Did I mention how much it rained over here? It really gets me down.
$17,000,000 a day would really cheer me up. :)
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if you attack lichtenstine and setup a puppet state we will seriously consider it . you boys like f14s? or just a toejam load of tanks?
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You could give me $17 million.......but i would probably waste it on beer and pizza.:D
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How much money do they/ 'we' spend trying to keep our biggest cash crop out of our country. how much money do we spend haveing planes shot down in colombia because they might! have drug runners on board ...
How much do we give to the ungrateful swine of the world; still no back-up from them, what do we get when we have earth-quakes,floods & buildings blowen up etc... not much.
I'm tired of paying for this crap dunno about you.
crap is it the 15th?!