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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: lord dolf vader on April 14, 2002, 03:07:46 PM
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have been listening to them on the history chanel all morning. ok ill admit its a well beaten dead horse. but sheesh how much freaky evedence can they dig up. literaly 2 hours of rapid paced logical sounding refutation of the one gunman story . comments ?
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no one person could have done that shooting.
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its just going on and on. i think they are on the third hour now. its just dizzying. they have debunked so much stuff in pretty damn professional manner. must have 50 to 100 people interviewed and tons of footage. all of it pretty much pounding the ludicricy and flagrant lies of the " OFFICIAL "story . im not taking sides but crap 3 hours ( hope its not a whole day thing how much evidence can there be ?)
edit: just looked at satilite looks like it is a whole day thing or at least 6 hours. wonder if anything in the world will allow this case opened again.
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I've been watching too.....the show on now was made in 1988, and is incredibly 1 sided. Listen to the wording of even the most trivial information:
"Ruby...suddenly contracted cancer and died, his silence now permanently ensured"....wtf is that other than 1 sided propaganda?
Ruby was in jail for 2.5 years before he got sick.
It is very possible for Oswald to have done the deed........when you hear hoofbeats in the distance, it's probably horses, not zebras.
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i agree that is just silly but what about the other 5 hours and 58 minutes of it. we arent talking about a flaky news show its a 6 hour program of people who were involved saying universaly there was a cover up . fbi agents federal attournys soldiers, policemen, coronors, the doctors that examined him after. and bout 60 more all saying the same thing.
somtimes when you hear hoofbeats its just a guy with coconuts fooling you.
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somtimes when you hear hoofbeats its just a guy with coconuts fooling you.
ROFL! good one, towd!
Yah.. there was a coverup. it's certain there was more than one shooter, and that oswald was being set up as the patsy.. the 'cuban/russian' connection was just too perfect to be anything other than a smokescreen to draw off the investigation onto him and from the actual shooters.. oswald was literally 'groomed' for his role by former fbi guys.
the shooters were french assassins, hired via mob connections with government money. my bets on j. edgar hoover being involved every bit of the way... he gets rid of kennedy, has the 'assassin' (oswald) tagged for it and gets a fat budget increase and a freer hand in dealing with the hated cuban and russian's "that did this thing.."
it's fer certain the 'warren commision' was led around by the nose.. they found what they were told to find.
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I believe the theory of the shooter being in the sewer drain.
Hang on, a couple of guys in grey suits are at the door...
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Damn and all this time I thought he had been whacked by an exploding cigar.
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I am less concerned about exactly what happened back then... and am more concerned about what is going on now.
Whomever killed the Kennedys is still running this show. If there is even a shred of actual justice in this country given the crookedness of the ruling parties, I would like to see whoever pulls the strings in this world held accountable to the general population that they have been exploiting all these years. Although, I think I would settle for simply being told the truth about how our government works and its place in this messed up world.
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Texas researchers Gary Mack and Jack White presented a shape they called "Badgeman" in the 1988 documentary The Men Who Killed Kennedy. That same year, at NOVA's request, technicians at MIT analyzed the shape, concluding it "took some imagination" to render it into a human figure.
The "Men who killed Kennedy" documentary has been debunked for years. Look it up guys.
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and the digital blow up of the same picture ( witch was about 5 times clearer and required no interpretation ) on the show that was made in 99? sorry you judge this on preponderance of the evidence and its prettly plain what happened. if not totaly clear who or why.
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Sorry, guys. You talk bout UFOs?? I'm there. Bigfoot? Absolutely. Hey, ever since I saw that picture of the rabbit screwing that chicken I'm convinced the Easter Bunny might possibly exist. But listen-
THERE WAS NO KENNEDY CONSPIRACY. OSWALD ACTED ALONE.
That is the facts, guys.
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Actually it was this guy.......here is proof of his criminal behavior!
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Certainly there were many that wanted Kennedy dead. One has to wonder why they sealed the Warren Commision records for 75 years.
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Yeah right!
I've seen NO facts to prove that Oswald was the only shooter.
All I've seen are theories (magic bullet hehe)of how it's possible that one person could have done all that damage. No Facts!
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Just in case you are interested Mighty1...go here (http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/home.htm) for some very informative reading.
Here is a sample......
If all the alleged facts in all the conspiracy books were true, we could expect to have the following conclusions:
The Grassy Knoll was a very busy place with many gunmen who never saw each other.
There were at least 10 individuals depicted in the photos of the three tramps.
There were at least 30 gunmen firing from 4 different buildings, the overpass, the Grassy Knoll, the South Knoll, the Presidential limo, the Secret Service follow-up car, the curb on Elm Street and the sewer.
There were at least 100 conspirators in Dealey Plaza.
These "facts" seem absurd and ridiculous but this is exactly what we end up with if we believe all of the conspiracy books which have been published. (Source: Bill Adams, "The Enemy Within")
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The Moral of the Story? Don't piss off the mob.
:p
-Sikboy
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Hiya's,
Not an american but the last british documentary i saw was on the lines as stated by Hangtime.....
The "Mob" got kennedy into the presidency and old man kennedy seemed to of done the deal for it
After the election the kennedy's didn't like to have to give into some "Mob" pressure and so really peed off the "Mob"
A contract was tendered to some unsavoury characters and a main one person took the offer and all the fringe benefits
This was from a prisoner in Marseille (spelling ?) prison who was doing time for a murder as i recall ? well something bad anyways
He was offered the contract but after some thought he decided it was pretty much not for him
He claimed to know the identity of the main contracted person but declined to answer as he was sure his life expectancy would rapidly deminish
Not a historian and only know general basic USA history (Boston T-Party and alike) (ps, can't any of you come and do a T-Party take 2 over in the UK for us ???) lol
Was many years ago and maybe some other brit may remember the name of the docu (may of been a Pana programme?)
Have Fun
Def
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the shows yesterday went into more detail, that dudes name was christian david. they showed a american who dogged him half to death about it .
he revealed the name of one of the 3 guys who did it who was dead ( the other two were still living ) and gave a guy on the outside who could concur and they showed the fellow on air ( face blanked) named michele ( french also) he said they were paid in heroin and he fenced it for them.also alot of other details. the american guy who did the finding turned this over to the drug enforcement agent who verified there was substance to it and turned it over to the fbi . and as always it just died. he seemed pretty pissed about that as he spent three years of his life tracking these people down said fbi never did a thing really.
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www.nara.gov/recent_jfk.html (http://www.jokewallpaper.com/elvisshotjfk/)
Amazing what comes out after the fract.
-Sikboy
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From the existing evidence and the means by which so many potential witnesses were executed, the mob was certainly involved. However, the mob does not have the power to get the secret service to reroute the motorcade to make it an easier shot. I think the truth will turn out to be that the mob was just an instrument of much higher powers.
Almost everyone in power from the mafia to the military-industrial complex to the CIA and even LBJ himself either benefitted from JFKs death or had reasons to hold a major grudge against him. It wouldn't surprise me at all if they were all in on it together. Besides hunting down the mob, Kennedy had already interfered with the Bay of Pigs and was threatening to pull out of Vietnam.
LBJ was a shrewd power-hungry politician. I would expect that LBJ was at least aware of what was going on and allowed things to happen as they did for his own benefit. Of course there is little or no evidence beyond the smile and thumbs up he gave his secretary as he was being sworn in as President. So, anything said about LBJs involvement can be nothing more than speculation (as with most aspects of the assassination).
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it and his brother's hit was a message to Joe
they missed the worst one -> Ted :)
when the right ppl want you gone, you are gone and they will not be blamed - ever
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They knew Ted would do a bettr job messing up his life than they could by killing him, so why bother?
Anyone ever see the movie "Repossessed"? Linda Blair poked fun at the Exorcist with help from the guy from Airplane/Police Squad.
In one seen, Linda Blair's family was playing with a Ouija board. Her husband aks "Will Ted Kennedy ever become President?". The game piece flies off the board and knocks over a book. The book hits a toy car. The toy car rolls off the bookshelf and lands in the Aquarium. Her husband concludes, "I'll take that as a 'no'!" :D that still makes me laugh just thinking about it.
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and the means by which so many potential witnesses were executed, the mob was certainly involved.
Lets look at that list shall we.....not all 103 people, just a few.
5/72 J. Edgar Hoover* FBI director who pushed "lone assassin" theory in JFK assassination Heart attack (no autopsy) Kind of a stretch to place him as someone to keep quiet, especially if he was "involved"....lol and to wait 11 years???
9/73 Thomas E. Davis* Gunrunner connected to both Ruby and CIA Electrocuted trying to steal wire He was a gun runner....a voilent death is a little more likely
2/74 J.A. Milteer* Miami right-winger who predicted JFK's death and capture of scapegoat Heater explosion Go here (http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/milteer.htm) for a very good explanation of Milteer and his "prediction".
1974 Dave Yaras* Close friend to both Hoffa and Jack Ruby Murdered Ruby was a gangster...I bet he had many "friends" murdered.
7/74 Earl Warren Chief Justice who reluctantly chaired Warren Commission Heart failure ---- Born 1891 died 1974...suspicious? NOT!
8/74 Clay Shaw* Prime suspect in Garrison case, reportedly a CIA contact with Ferrie and E. Howard Hunt Possible cancer Nothing POSSIBLE about it......sheesh
1974 Earle Cabell Mayor of Dallas on 11/22/63, whose brother, Gen. Charles Cabell was fired from CIA by JFK Natural causes So he had no real connection to the assasination, and he died of "natural causes"...then why is he on the list?
6/75 Sam Giancana* Chicago Mafia boss slated to tell about CIA-mob death plots to Senate Committee Murdered Mob boss murdered!!?? what are the chances??
7/75 Clyde Tolson J. Edgar Hoover's assistant and roommate Natural causes Natural causes.....everyone dies, and everyone makes the list...LOL
1975 Allen Sweatt Dallas Deputy Sheriff involved in investigation Natural causes see above
12/75 Gen. Earle Wheeler Contact between JFK and CIA Unknown biography sites mention that Gen. Wheeler probably helped get us involved in VietNam, but his death is never mentioned....makes me wonder if it was in fact "unknown".
1976 Ralph Paul Ruby's business partner connected with crime figures Heart attack Heart attack, 13 years after the fact....not very good at shutting him up were they?
4/76 James Chaney Dallas motorcycle officer riding to JFK's right rear who said JFK "struck in the face" with bullet Heart attack see above
4/76 Dr. Charles Gregory Governor John Connally's physician Heart attack yawn
6/76 William Harvey* CIA coordinator for CIA-mob assassination plans against Castro Complications from heart surgery same-o same-o
7/76 John Roselli* Mobster who testified to Senate Committee and was to appear again Stabbed and stuffed in metal drum LOL.....another "unexplained death"
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Midnight, I have no inside knowledge outside of the public domain of what actually happened.. and it's a pretty safe bet you ain't on an inside track either.
But, assuming you looked at the same evidence the Warren Commision looked at, and with a clear consience come to the same conclusions.. well; there's a bridge in brooklyn that's still for sale... cheap. Intrested?
if you think one shooter, firing one shot accomplised what Lee Harvey Oswald is credited with... well; nevermind.
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First rate marksmanship, whoever did it.
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henh.. not really easy. 220 yards to the depository window, 185 to the knoll. Either one of us coulda done just as well drunk off our tulips with open sights and an m16.
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Not sure I could have made it.
Combat range (more or less). Not a problem.
Clear field of fire.
Lighting. Ideal.
Firing position supported.
Wind factor minimal. But,
Assuming a firing position from the rear, or the side. The only kill shot you have is a head shot.(Armored vehicle).
Target was in motion.
Using an old bolt action, wop POS.
Big time pucker factor. He WAS the President of The United States after all.
I'm not so sure. Would have to have been a BIG payday.
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did I mention.... drunk? ;)
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once after reading a story about the carcicano bolt action claimed to be used in the assasination. i looked for one at the local gun show. i found 2 one for 60 bucks and one for 80 both looked like they had hardly ever been shot but the bolts literaly rattled when closed ( somthing i have never seen on any other rifle . they are famously inacurate even according to the guys selling them ( the next lowest rifle either had was in the 150 buck range it is the king of crap ). no way 3 shots 3 hits in 7 seconds i just cant believe it . and the magic bullet they put in evidence it was totaly undeformed full metal jacket is hard but crap it wasent even scratched.after going thur a scull and a arm just way hard to believe.
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It was 2 french assassins who came up through mexico that killed Kennedy. They were dressed as policemen. After they shot him they retreated to a safehouse in Texas for a few weeks. Then they returned to France through Canada.
There was a french prisoner who knew of this. In his will he had a clause that his lawyer was to disclose this information upon his death. He feared that if he spoke of the assination he would be killed.
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You guys are going to think I'm crazy, but I'm pretty sure elvis presley played a roll in this thing. My friends aunt knew somebody who was on the police force in Houston, who heard the story from his niece's brother who at one time took a trip to Dallas and heard the story. elvis paid jack ruby to do the shooting, then Oswald had to kill ruby. I hear Oswald is now living in area 51 near Marilyn Monroes house. (she's still alive too, but that's another story)
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Originally posted by Hangtime
Midnight, I have no inside knowledge outside of the public domain of what actually happened.. and it's a pretty safe bet you ain't on an inside track either.
But, assuming you looked at the same evidence the Warren Commision looked at, and with a clear consience come to the same conclusions.. well; there's a bridge in brooklyn that's still for sale... cheap. Intrested?
if you think one shooter, firing one shot accomplised what Lee Harvey Oswald is credited with... well; nevermind.
One shot?...No, it was 3 shots. And I don't wanna buy your bridge, you can keep it under your name.
If any of you were to look at the "EVIDENCE" not the speculation and hearsay, then the most logical conclusion is Oswald. This is not to say that there could not have been a conpiracy. But you cannot prove a negative, so I will go with the evidence.
Point out something that contradicts the one shooter - in the book depository theory, and I will be happy to reply. Don't need an inside track, just an open mind. For instance, was there something in the list of "myterious deaths" I posted you disagree with?
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Check this out computer animation of assasination (http://www.exponent.com/multimedia/cases/jfk.html) used for the "mock trial" of Oswald in 1992.
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Originally posted by hblair
You guys are going to think I'm crazy, but I'm pretty sure elvis presley played a roll in this thing. My friends aunt knew somebody who was on the police force in Houston, who heard the story from his niece's brother who at one time took a trip to Dallas and heard the story. elvis paid jack ruby to do the shooting, then Oswald had to kill ruby. I hear Oswald is now living in area 51 near Marilyn Monroes house. (she's still alive too, but that's another story)
Did you check out my link hblair? Very telling information.
-Sikboy
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Never saw a man being shot in a head, but the third and fatal shot sure looked like coming from the right front (I'm talking about the movie). It looks like his head goes vilolently back and top of his head is blown off to the rear. Jackie climbs back on a trunk to retrieve it.
As I said, just an opinion, but I know physics. I'm not buing the shot from the rear.
The fact that Oswald was shooting, does not mean that he was a the only shooter, not that he was a killer.
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BTW, wasn't this a 22 cal?
Is it possible to do so much damage with a 22 cal at 200 yards?
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No way a .22 would do that.
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actually it was 10 shots but with the lag in the area at the time it only looked like 3 hits :)
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Reckon the Warren Commission need to tweak the Carcano - seems a bit overmodelled to me:
CE 399 (The magic bullet) caused 7 wounds, went through 2 humans, possibly fractured a vertebra, destroyed 10cm of rib, shattered a wrist, then emerged with virtually no weight loss (1/180 of an ounce) while leaving significant fragments in one of the victims. And ends up Pristine & undeformed.
A 6.5 mm bullet worse than any AH .50 cal! :D
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Never saw a man being shot in a head, but the third and fatal shot sure looked like coming from the right front (I'm talking about the movie). It looks like his head goes vilolently back and top of his head is blown off to the rear. Jackie climbs back on a trunk to retrieve it.
Here is a link to still pictures of the head shot from the rear. (http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/nixetal.htm) I would post the pics, but some may find them disturbing.
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I propose no theories but, it is obvious that it was more than one bullet . It is even clear on the film that there are multiple bullet strikes . And if the official report deliberately makes this lie that it was only one bullet, one has to ask the question why . There is a motive somewhere .
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Originally posted by -dead-
Reckon the Warren Commission need to tweak the Carcano - seems a bit overmodelled to me:
CE 399 (The magic bullet) caused 7 wounds, went through 2 humans, possibly fractured a vertebra, destroyed 10cm of rib, shattered a wrist, then emerged with virtually no weight loss (1/180 of an ounce) while leaving significant fragments in one of the victims. And ends up Pristine & undeformed.
A 6.5 mm bullet worse than any AH .50 cal! :D
Sorry dead, but you are misinformed as well. here is the pic of the "pristine bullet" that never makes it into the conspiracy books.
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here is the view the conspracy books will show you....
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Neither of them look like they've been fired through a body .
Anyone who has recovered a full jacketed bullet that was fired into a deer can relate .
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Well how about an experimental bullet fired to duplicate the "pristine bullet's" path? Wouldn't that be more convincing than speculation on a bullets deformation when entering Bambi?
When a bullet just like Commission Exhibit 399 is fired through a human wrist bone at 2,000 feed per second, it is almost certain to be badly mangled. But when CE 399 hit Connally's wrist it had been slowed by transiting Kennedy's torso and tumbling through Connally's chest. When it finally hit the hard radius bone, it was traveling about 1,000 feet per second. Dr. Martin Fackler, President of the International Wound Ballistics Association, fired a round identical to Oswald's bullet through a human wrist at 1,100 feet per second.
Here is a picture of that bullet...look familiar?
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When a bullet just like Commission Exhibit 399 is fired through a human wrist bone at 2,000 feed per second, it is almost certain to be badly mangled. [/b]
Well that's how fast it was going when it went through JFK's bones .
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Here is a link (http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/Lattimer.txt) to a complete test of a bullet duplicating the entire path of CE399.
And here is a picture of the test bullet compared to CE399.
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There was also a test firing the same type bullet from the same type rifle through a goat rib and a human wrist which produced a visibly more damaged bullet than the one that supposedly went through a skull, vertebrea, rib, and wrist .
I think everyone in this thread, even midnight target is in agreement that the wounds of the two men were clearly caused by more than one bullet .
So.. the question is, what was their motive for fabricating the single bullet story ? Why the deception ?
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Oh and what was Bill Gates arrested for ?
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I think everyone in this thread, even midnight target is in agreement that the wounds of the two men were clearly caused by more than one bullet .
No, I think 1 bullet went through Kennedy's neck and into Connelly.
The Bill Gates picture was from an unknown arrest. Probably sealed juvenile records.
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FBI agents, well trained and well-practiced could not match Oswald's rate of fire with the same type of rifle... not even close.
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It was Colonel Mustard, in the Library with the Candlestick.
;)
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Originally posted by streakeagle
FBI agents, well trained and well-practiced could not match Oswald's rate of fire with the same type of rifle... not even close.
Not true again!
FBI weapons expert Robert Frazier got off three accurate shots with Oswald's Mannlicher-Carcano rifle in 4.5 seconds -- recycling the mechanism and reaiming the rifle twice.
Various estimates range from a low of 6 seconds to about 8.5 seconds for the actual 3 shots.
Oswald remains the most logical suspect.
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Long as we're trying to be accurate -
Frazier got a 5 inch spread at a range of 25 yds in 4.6 seconds. Which Frazier says later on it was a 3 inch spread (mebbe a typo somewhere) - and that that would translate to a 12 inch spread at 100 yds. Not exactly what I'd call accurate ... but hey.
Mr. EISENBERG. Could you describe for the record the dispersion on the two series?
Mr. FRAZIER. Yes, sir. The first series of three shots were approximately--from 4 to 5 inches high and from 1 to 2 inches to the right of the aiming point, and landed within a 2-inch circle. These three shots were fired in 4.8 seconds. The second series of shots landed--one was about 1 inch high, and the other two about 4 or 5 inches high, and the maximum spread was 5 inches.
That series was fired in 4.6 seconds.
Very nice. And fairly useless. The real shooting was 175-265 ft on a target moving at about 11 mph. - approximately 88 yds maximum range. So what about doing some tests at that range?
Mr. EISENBERG. And you performed one more test, I believe?
Mr. FRAZIER. Yes, sir. We fired additional targets at 100 yards on the range at Quantico, Va., firing groups of three shots. And I have the four targets we fired here.
Mr. EISENBERG. Mr. Chairman, I would like these admitted as 551, 552, 553, and 554.
Mr. McCLOY. They may be admitted. (The documents referred to were marked Commission Exhibits Nos. 551 through 554, and received in evidence.)
Mr. EISENBERG. Who fired these shots, Mr. Frazier?
Mr. FRAZIER. I fired them.
Mr. EISENBERG. Can you characterize the dispersion on each of the four targets?
Mr. FRAZIER. Yes, sir. On Commission Exhibit 551 the three shots landed approximately 5 inches high and within a 3 1/2-inch circle, almost on a line horizontally across the target. This target and the other targets were fired on March 16, 1964 at Quantico, Va. These three shots were fired in 5.9 seconds.
The second target fired is Commission Exhibit 552, consisting of three shots fired in 6.2 seconds, which landed in approximately a 4 1/2 to 5-inch circle located 4 inches high and 3 or 4 inches to the right of the aiming point.
Commission Exhibit No. 553 is the third target fired, consisting of three shots which landed in a 3-inch circle located about 2 1/2 inches high and 2 inches to the right of the aiming point.
These three shots were fired in 5.6 seconds.
And Commission Exhibit No. 554, consisting of three shots fired in 6.5 seconds, which landed approximately 5 inches high and 5 inches to the right of the aiming point, all within a 3 1/2-inch circle.
Mr. McCLOY. The first one is not exactly 5 inches to the right, is it?
Mr. FRAZIER. No, sir. The center of the circle in which they all landed would be about 5 inches high and 5 inches to the right.
Mr. EISENBERG. Mr. Frazier, could you tell us why, in your opinion, all the shots, virtually all the shots, are grouped high and to the right of the aiming point?
Mr. FRAZIER. Yes, sir. When we attempted to sight in this rifle at Quantico, we found that the elevation adjustment in the telescopic sight was not sufficient to bring the point of impact to the aiming point. In attempting to adjust and sight-in the rifle, every time we changed the adjusting screws to move the crosshairs in the telescopic sight in one direction-it also affected the movement of the impact or the point of impact in the other direction. That is, if we moved the crosshairs in the telescope to the left it would also affect the elevation setting of the telescope. And when we had sighted-in the rifle approximately, we fired several shots and found that the shots were not all landing in the same place, but were gradually moving away from the point of impact. This was apparently due to the construction of the telescope, which apparently did not stabilize itself--that is, the spring mounting in the crosshair ring did not stabilize until we had fired five or six shots.
Hmm seems like 5.6 seconds is the best they can do at 100 yds on a static target, if they want it accurate.
So how about moving targets?
Mr. EISENBERG. Based on your experience with the weapon, do you think three shots could be fired accurately within 5 1/2 seconds if no rest was utilized?
Mr. FRAZIER. That would depend on the accuracy which was necessary or needed-or which you desired. I think you could fire the shots in that length of time, but whether you could place them, say, in a 3- or 4-inch circle without either resting or possibly using the sling as a support--I doubt that you could accomplish that.
Mr. EISENBERG. How--these targets at which you fired stationary at 100 yards--how do you think your time would have been affected by use of a moving target?
Mr. FRAZIER. It would have slowed down the shooting. It would have lengthened the time to the extent of allowing the crosshairs to pass over the moving target.
Mr. EISENBERG. Could you give an amount?
Mr. FRAZIER. Approximately 1 second. It would depend on how fast the target was moving, and whether it was moving away from you or towards you or at right angles.
Mr. EISENBERG. Do you think you could shorten your time with further practice with the weapon?
Mr. FRAZIER. Oh, yes.
Mr. EISENBERG. Could you give us an estimate on that?
Mr. FRAZIER. I fired three shots in 4.6 seconds at 25 yards with approximately a 3-inch spread, which is the equivalent of a 12-inch spread at a hundred yards. And I feel that a 12-inch relative circle could be reduced to 6 inches or even less with considerable practice with the weapon.
Mr. EISENBERG. That is in the 4.6-second time?
Mr. FRAZIER. Yes. I would say from 4.8 to 5 seconds, in that area 4.6 is firing this weapon as fast as the bolt can be operated, I think.
Well based on the 25yds test... time would be round about 5.6
secs - (4.6 + 1 sec for moving targets) which is slower than Oswald supposedly did it. Based on the 100 yds test it'd be 6.6 secs.
This is all a question of minor details, though - my main problem with Oswald as the lone nutter with a gun theory is: if there's nothing to hide, why all the secrecy over the years?
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Over the years, many high-ranking officials have come forward to
support Garrison's theory. "The big story in the Kennedy assassination
is the cover-up," says retired Colonel L. Fletcher Prouty, Chief of
Special Operations for the Joint Chiefs of Staff until 1964. Prouty
was on assignment in New Zealand on the day of the assassination.
After carrying a New Zealand newspaper article back to Washington, he
checked the time of Oswald's arrest against the hour the paper had
been printed and, with great horror, realized Oswald's biography had
gone out on the international newswire before Oswald had been arrested
by the Dallas police. Prouty has since become one of the most
persuasive and persistent critics of the Warren Commission.
Could the Mafia have whisked Kennedy's body past the Texas
authorities and got it aboard Air Force One?" writes Garrison. "Could
the Mafia have placed in charge of the President's autopsy an army
general who was not a physician? Could the Mafia have arranged for
President Kennedy's brain to disappear from the National Archives?
I love the whole story behind the Zapruder film:The most important and lasting piece of evidence unveiled by Garrison
was an 8mm film of the assassination taken by Abraham Zapruder, a film
that only three members of the Warren Commission had seen, probably
because it cast a long shadow of doubt across their conclusions. A
good analysis of the film can be found in Cover-Up by J. Gary Shaw
with Larry Harris (PO Box 722, Cleburne, TX 76031):
Had the Zapruder film of the JFK assassination been shown on national
television Friday evening, November 22, 1963, the Oswald/lone assassin
fabrication would have been unacceptable to a majority of
Americans...The car proceeds down Elm and briefly disappears behind a
sign. When it emerges the President has obviously been shot...Governor
Connally turns completely to the right, looking into the back seat; he
begins to turn back when his body stiffens on impact of a bullet. Very
shortly after Connally is hit, the President's head explodes in a
shower of blood and brain matter - he is driven violently backward at
a speed estimated at 80-100 feet per second.
Although Time, Inc. could have made a small fortune distributing this
film around the world, they instead secured the rights from Zapruder
for $225,000, then held a few private screenings before locking the
film in a vault. It was shown to one newsman, Dan Rather, who then
described it on national television. Rather asserted that Kennedy's
head went "forward with considerable force" after the fatal head shot
(a statement that would have supported a hit from behind, from the
direction of the School Book Depository). Several months later, Rather
was promoted to White House Correspondent by CBS. As if to buttress
this fabrication, the FBI reversed the order of the frames when
printing them in the Warren Report. When researchers later drew this
reversal to the FBI's attention, Hoover attributed the switch to a
"printing error."