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General Forums => Aircraft and Vehicles => Topic started by: poppysead on April 14, 2002, 10:42:10 PM
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LA-7 the roll rate only gets better at hi speed, climbs like a rocket, ok turning radius, and the thing has 3 cannon,,,, it can boom and zoom and twist it up with later war american,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,ever wonder why everyone and his brother is in one,? nuff said.
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Perk It
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Forgot to mention one thing- Its guns cant hit anything because they have such poor trajectory. Also, LA7 has only 28 minutes endurance!
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trajectory sprajectory how many times have you been shot down by one??? and as for the 25 minute thing, the thing climbs so fast and is so bad that i rarely have any ammo left by the time my fuel is out.
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My tonka toy is bigger an badder then your tonka toy!
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Strange, but I can't find any score at all for a poppysead.
Leave the trolls under the bridge.
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Another soul lost...
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Originally posted by poppysead
trajectory sprajectory how many times have you been shot down by one???
Almost never shot down by La-7..... I fly it some, score well against the distracted, napping, typing or otherwise oblivious enemies. However, if they see you coming, avoiding you is easy. You can turnfight well at 250- 300 mph, but get it slower than that and you are flying an average aircraft. Keep it fast, work it up and down and you will lose very few. However, you won't get many kills unless you fly in real close. Guns are powerful, but woefully inaccurate. Poor elevator authority at high speed. I see La-7s auger in quite frequently, and have suffered his myself.
My regards,
Widewing
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La-7 is the best plane in the set, in my opinion. If you are an above average pilot with a brain, the La-7 is as close to invincible as you can get. Plus, it is the only plane to fly if you feel the need to defend one of your bases against a 'mission'.
Been flying it lately because I'm sick of getting gang-raped in 190A's and 109E and F- I can generally get 5-6 kills on 3/4 tank of gas. Ammo is not a limiting factor here, I typically RTB with 150 rounds or so left.
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Excuse me, is there a user in here that gets his rocks off by checking the scores of the people that write in and then exposing them for knowing nothing??? I guess there is. look here party boy Im running a 56k modem so until about 12:00 am, im target practice for other fighters so I run bombers mostly, but I bet in my short life of 23 years i've become pretty knowledgable when it comes to ww2 aircraft so dont be so damn rude. if your so intrested in my score my name online is paladintank and my score is abismal. Oh and about getting but raped in 190's i feel your pain seems like everytime I think im high enough to be emune some U.S. drives me down to the deck and im stuck trying to do scissor,s is there anyway to shake chasing aircraft in 190? i've tried and failed a wholeee bunch.
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poppy, all a 190 has to do is dive away, do a zoom climb and dive again. Nothing can follow such a manouver, not even a pony.
Think "sine wave" when you trying to evade in a 190.
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P51D outzooms a 190D and has better maneuverability in high speeds. "Outzooms" maybe I should say, guess they're pretty much the same when it comes to that, just the freaking sissyfires that outzooms F16's.
As for 56k modem poppy, doesn't matter really, you can get as good, if not better connection using a 56k modem, I've been there and stayed there for about 6 years before finally getting ADSL less then a year ago.
Do this, make a new connection, go into setup for the modem for that connection, turn down the speed to 19.2 baud rate, then remove "error control" and "Compression" (just un-check the boxes).
Then connect with that connection and go online in AH. Don't use it to surf the internet though.
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Thanx man thats probably the second most helpful thing i've read in here.
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About zooming or being outzoomed, keep in mind than while in a 190, you'll see P51s outzooming you over'n over, but not cause the plane itself, but cause they will be probably with 50% or less fuel while you have 75 or 100%. In the other hand, La7 will outzoom you even with 100% with ease.
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Rgr Mando, but 50% in a P51 is more or less equal to 75% or more in 190.
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Agree, but consider that the figures you see in the AH charts are for 100% fuel 190 and 100% fuel for P51. So the common P51 with 50% may surprise you in climb and acceleration.
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Yup, not saying it shouldn't, just that it DOES, 100% fuel I think the 190 would zoom better.
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Originally posted by poppysead
look here party boy Im running a 56k modem so until about 12:00 am, im target practice for other fighters so I run bombers mostly,
Don't blame your 56K connect for your woes, many of us are on dial-up and would welcome connects in the 40-50K range. I'm stuck on a 26.4 line and have no problems killing and having fun :D
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No Poppysead, I get my thrills to check and see if your actually someone new to the game or if your just an alias someone has setup on the BBS to spew the same old tired crap.
So whats your ID?
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it does not have 25 minutes of flight
I flew one for almost and hour. :o :p :mad:
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i have killed 3 lala7's and been killed once
killed 3 nikis , been killed by 6 times.....hmmmmm
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He said it was 'paladintank' Verm.
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This thread from a guy that wants to ban the N1K2-J.:rolleyes:
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Just looked at my stats once.
7-0 against la7
4 kills in f6f
3 kill in spit 9
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La7's have two altitude bands to fly in, too high and too low.
The first comprises everything over 9K because above that they no longer have WEP. The La7 actually slows down over 9K and the climb rate falls away badly. The G10, 190D9, P-51 and even the C/D-Hogs get faster than an La7. Plus the fact that the icon "La7" spooks everyone into chasing you like a perk plane.
The second altitude is too low, anything under 5K because you almost can be sure that every enemy you meet is going to be above you and will be able to dive in to catch you with little problem, even in a Zeke. 20mph of top end speed doesn't mean squat to someone with 2K of alt advantage on you... it just means they'll dive in and catch your sorry butt.
Too many of the "perk the La7" crowd are dedicated TnB'rs on the deck and are frustrated when an La7 rips through the pile of them and shoots a couple of them down. I just don't get it. It's a good plane, no doubt, but no powerhouse by any stretch of the imagination. I love to fly the La7 because I love ripping up all the dumb N1K and Spit pilots who are circling away endlessly @ sealevel. I know that high Pony's will eventually show up though and chase me outta there.
-Soda
The Assassins.
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I checked my Ki-61 status.
Tour 27:
Hermit has 10 kills and has been killed 0 times in the Ki-61 against the La-7.
La-7 is uber plane, but newbie often will get shot down.
-Hermit
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Originally posted by Mitsu
I checked my Ki-61 status.
Tour 27:
Hermit has 10 kills and has been killed 0 times in the Ki-61 against the La-7.
La-7 is uber plane, but newbie often will get shot down.
-Hermit
Likewise, 13/0 against La-7.
People need to take the time to learn how to beat it, that's all. Like anything else, you only get out of it what you put in to it.
My regards,
Widewing
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La7 pilots are mostly greens. Wait for them to learn how to use the monster to beat any other plane ...
If you think this has some kind of relation with K/D:
614 kills vs 443 deaths against F6F
780 kills vs 639 deaths against SpitIX
27 kills vs 24 deaths against the uber SpitXIV
A total K/D of 1.29, not bad for a prime newbie ride.
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I find the La7 a nuisance more than anything. Its speed and acceleration allow it to gain seperation quickly, putting it out of snapshot range faster than just about anything else except the 262. I rarely run into an aggressive La7 that lives for very long, leaving instead the cherry pickers who could do what they're doing in just about any plane. Their success or failure flying this way in an La7 is merely coincidental, an artifact of flying style rather than plane choice.
-- Todd/Leviathn
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Mandoble, I disagree with your two points. Firstly, I disagree that most La7 pilots are newbies. I think the La7 would frustrate the average green pilot because of the quirks that go along with the La7. Sure, it is fast at sea level, but that's all it has going for it. A green pilot will have far more success TnB'ing in a Spit or N1K than in an La7. The green pilot is more likely to try and TnB in the La7 and find themselves quickly dead to a Spit or N1K.
Secondly, I disagree that the La7 is uber. It is really a 1 trick pony, low level speed. It has little if anything else going for it. It isn't a good turner, it is maybe around average, it has aweful guns, poor view from the cockpit, bad stall characteristic, short range, etc etc etc... the list goes on and on.
Any good pilot can easily beat an La7 because you almost always know that it will be below you and you can dive in on it. The only time it is dangerous is if you are trying to run away at sea level and it bounces you, in which case it can be difficult/impossible to escape. It is easy to beat if you understand it.
The only people I know that have real success in the La7 are experienced pilots.
This whole thread was just a troll anyway.... the day they perk the La7 is the same day that both P-51 variants, the 190D9 and G10 all get perked too. That'd just leave the Typhoon as the big unperked speed demon and people would start crying about the uber Typhoon.
-Soda
The Assassins.
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well all i can say i've ran em down in my 26 and out manuvered him in a loop plus it don't take much .50 to break wood
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I'd disagree that most pilots flying the LA-7 are 'newbies'. A lot of them just suck, that is why they are fairly easy to kill if they stick around.
The plane IS very good. I'd say it is *probably* one of the top three planes in Aces High (including the perk planes). If you take out the perk planes I consider it the best overall plane in the game. I think most of the people flying the LA7 are, at best, average pilots. They fly the LA-7 because it is fast enough to get away from the Spits and N1k2s, and it can slaughter anything that is almost fast enough to catch it.
Also, our views on the La-7 may be coloured by the planes that we fly. I fly mostly LW stuff, so to be the La-7 is like a 109-G10 and a 190D-9 all wrapped up into one, with the advantages of both and the disadvantages of niether.
The comparison doesn't stack up to well with the other common 'BnZZZzz" ride, the P-51. The planes strengths lie in totally different areas. The La-7 is made for people that want to blow through crowds of enemies and avoid being gangbanged, the P-51 is made for people that like to stay in the air for a long time, kill runners (as long as the runner is below them, good luck catching one above you lol). The firepower is roughly even, I think. You need to get closer with the LA-7, but you don't have to hit as often. Visibility goes to the runstang, of course, but I think overall the La-7 is a superior plane.
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I used to fly the La-7 exclusively. I believe I had the second higest k/d in it for one of those tours.
I'd say it has most obscured view in AH (short of the La-5 obviously).
Whatever you say about its ammo, it is limited. You have to get very, very close to make a kill. Although the ShVak/B-20 rate of fire is extremely high, which equates to lethal snapshots.
The LW 20mm cannon is just as good overall, mainly because it comes with much more ammo. I flew the 190 A-5 the other day, in a similar manner as the La-7. Its cannons are excellent when used at short range.
The La-7's fuel endurance is very short. Invariably, 25% of the fuel tank will get you to altitude (15k)
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I am only a slightly above average pilot. By this, I mean that I have only four (4) 10+ kill sorties. I fly a lot of different planes. However, 3 of my 10+ kill sorties were in La7s. One of them I was outnumbered and defending a field with two other guys against 5-6 enemies. The La7 is EXTREMELY uber. Yes it has some minor problems, but so does every other plane.
This ToD the ONLY plane that I am doing better in is the Ki-61 in which I am 16:2 (8:1). In the La7 I am 29:6. (4.88:1)
The ONLY rules that you have to follow is do NOT cross 8k of alt, stay fast (250tas+) and don't do prolonged turn fights. It's basically a low altitude engery fighter. I believe that the only non perk planes that can out run it on the deck are the Typhoon and bf109-G10.... but I may be wrong about that last one.
One of my squadies complimented me on a 6 kill sortie last night until I explaned that I was in an La7. :(
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Yep stahler, you are wrong, neither typh nor G10 are able to outrun La7 at sea level. But, IMO, the most uber characteristic of this plane is its acceleration, not its top speed. BTW, a diving P51D will be faster than any La7 on the deck for a long period until it moves its controls. In the case of La7, it may turn and turn and then outaccelerate and outrun anything. Even the 109G10 (an excelent accelerator) is not a match for La7 below 7k.
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I fly 90% of time 109, 190 and zeke, but this tour after several moths of ignore(and hate) La 7. I take the monster 5/6 sorties with 31/1 k/d, only need fly La 7 like a pure E figther or Pony, G10 and 190 style. The problems with La 7 IMO = 1) maps too littles 2) E maintenance after turns of 10 G's(never see La's with structural failure), hardness (La 7 suport 30mm hits and burts of 3 secons-d300 of 6x13mm guns!!!)...
On real live La 5, La 7, La 9 and La 11 had very little success against 109, 190 at WW 2 and P 51, Twin Mustang and F4U at Korea.
...and Hitech I can shotdown 10 Me 262 with zeke if they turns with me.
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I have to say that the La-7 to me is one of the planes I fear the most..out of this sortie this so far I'm 1 and 5. Then again a Jug doesn't match well. and I think I got lucky on downing the one I did get.
I can say that the La-7 can be out dove..I know this because I've done it in my Jug. Now some say that the La-7 should be perked ect... ect... I think not..as much as I don't like it and those magical spit's. The La-7 is a fine plane and if flown by the right pilot and not some greenhorn it is a very leathal plane.
You do have a choice on what you fight against. If you don't like it don't engage! And you will not have any problems!:cool:
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Originally posted by DarkglamJG52
I fly 90% of time 109, 190 and zeke, but this tour after several moths of ignore(and hate) La 7. I take the monster 5/6 sorties with 31/1 k/d, only need fly La 7 like a pure E figther or Pony, G10 and 190 style. The problems with La 7 IMO = 1) maps too littles 2) E maintenance after turns of 10 G's(never see La's with structural failure), hardness (La 7 suport 30mm hits and burts of 3 secons-d300 of 6x13mm guns!!!)...
On real live La 5, La 7, La 9 and La 11 had very little success against 109, 190 at WW 2 and P 51, Twin Mustang and F4U at Korea.
...and Hitech I can shotdown 10 Me 262 with zeke if they turns with me.
Personally, I find E fighting gets boring after a time. So, when I fly the La-7, I often load bombs and go after GVs or go buff hunting at 25k. Sure, these are not the ideal roles for the aircraft, and they do increase one's K/D ratio. But, what the hell, at least it's exciting. As it is, my stats are 53/14, with 3 lost to Buffs (but I've killed 11 of them in exchange), 5 to Ostwinds and acks, 1 to a PT, 2 ground collisions and 3 lost to fighters. Included in the kill column are 3 GVs and a PT.
In terms of dealing with the La-7, I find it to be easy to kill if I can gain position. Which, I'm sure everyone realizes, is not something that can be done on the deck without the La-7 wasting his E first, or making a mistake that exposes himself. Most of the time, one needs a significant altitude advantage to begin with.
The trick to coping with the La-7 is understanding that its limitations are a pronounced as its advantages. Should an enemy La-7 pilot decide to fight in such a manner that he exposes his aircraft's limitations, he usually dies as a result.
My regards,
Widewing
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Originally posted by Widewing
Should an enemy La-7 pilot decide to fight in such a manner that he exposes his aircraft's limitations, he usually dies as a result.
Same with 262 (200 perks).
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Originally posted by Widewing
Should an enemy La-7 pilot decide to fight in such a manner that he exposes his aircraft's limitations, he usually dies as a result.
Same with 262 (200 perks).
Guys, this counts for every plane. If comparing plane performances, you can't used the "better-worse-pilot" argument.
If we discuss LA7 performance, we have to assume what one pilot could do it in, not what a bad pilot will do with it.
1st i would like to say, there is no need to perk it. It doesn't really change the MA balance. It is exellent down low, but hell if we get over 10K i run it down with my D9.
All planes have their altitudes. An LA7 should try to fight under 10K, a D9 i.e. between 6k-20k and the P51 & P47 from 15k and higher.
But nevertheless the LA7 is an exellent ride. And even when fighting from a disadvantage it is dangerous as hell. Yu can turn the tide pretty fast with it.
Last time i flew it (about 10+ weeks ago), i defended 35 in the blatic together with some guy in a P47 (he was really good, cause he didnt get shotdown in that heavy baby) against 4+ enemies with altitude. 3 were P51s and 1 a 109. They tried to B&Z us, but we evaded. They lost a bit E on every pass, so i could suddenly jump in behind em, using the accel of the LA7 to get to their speed.
End of the story were 3 dead P51, 1 dead 109. A safe A35 and both defenders alife.
In my D9 i would not even have survived the 1st 3 minutes.
But thats no reason to perk the LA7, i just used it were it advantages are greatest.
P.S.: abou turning LA7, with lag pursuit, i yet have to find a plane (beside ZEKE, remember its long ago that i flew it, so no comparison to Hurr I, Spit I etc.) i couldnt catch with the LA7. It also exels at scissors or barrel roll defense, cause once the other guy overshoots, your accel ensures you can catch him.
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temp has 4 cannons and it's a bit faster
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Just a note at the La7 speed above 10k:
La7 excels where speed is the most critical factor due the lack of room to dive: lo alts. At med and hi alts, no matter if your plane is slow or fast, you always have thousands of feet to dive and get faster.
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this is my first post in 16 months of play, so here i go. i eat la7's alive in my tiffy. enough said. and there is no such thing as a dweeb plane, i eat niki's too. :)