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General Forums => Aircraft and Vehicles => Topic started by: poppysead on April 14, 2002, 11:02:17 PM
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Nik got you down??? history not being followed true it had a horrible engine and the aluminum was rippled because of shoddy workmanship but guess what,,,so was the spit back in 1939, and the me-262 at the end of the war, but ive got it guys check this out,, give us the bearcat and,, man what was that british plane thats winning all of the f1 flight races now? ahh nevermind well heres the deal keep the nik and introduce all of the post war prop planes as perks!!!!!! bearcat had 4 cannon and could outturn the nik!!! dang what a plane. loosen up and perk these post war birds I know youve thought about it so lets have it!!!!
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easier to perk the n1k and be done with it ;) *G*
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Perk the N1K2.
Bring the N1K1 to AH
Palef
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perk shmerk why not open the arena up a little more? everine and thier grandmother has over 100 perk's why not make it intresting?
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Hermit has 10 kills and has been killed 1 time in the Ki-61 against the N1K2.
I don't think it should be perked.
Relax, It's just a game. ;)
-Mitsu
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Originally posted by poppysead
bearcat had 4 cannon and could outturn the nik!!! dang what a plane.
you want to outturn the N1K2? take a hurricane.
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Hehe FD, not true :)
The niki might not be fast in level flight but it can accelerate even with a TA152 and dive as fast as one and yet have controll, I've done it and tried it, had niki dive almost as fast as I did, only thing was that my TA152 was locked up, alt 15-5k.
Don't perk it, not around much in the arena any more, could perk the spit 9 instead.
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Originally posted by Wilbus
Hehe FD, not true :)
The niki might not be fast in level flight but it can accelerate even with a TA152 and dive as fast as one and yet have controll, I've done it and tried it, had niki dive almost as fast as I did, only thing was that my TA152 was locked up, alt 15-5k.
Don't perk it, not around much in the arena any more, could perk the spit 9 instead.
Thot I was talking about the Hurricane... not true that the Hurricane outturns the N1K2?
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Originally posted by poppysead
Nik got you down??? history not being followed true it had a horrible engine and the aluminum was rippled because of shoddy workmanship but guess what,,,so was the spit back in 1939, and the me-262 at the end of the war, but ive got it guys check this out,, give us the bearcat and,, man what was that british plane thats winning all of the f1 flight races now? ahh nevermind well heres the deal keep the nik and introduce all of the post war prop planes as perks!!!!!! bearcat had 4 cannon and could outturn the nik!!! dang what a plane. loosen up and perk these post war birds I know youve thought about it so lets have it!!!!
F8F Bearcat and Hawker SeaFury
Whels
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sea fury yeah thanks.
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I'd say all the planes that need perked allready are. But if you must perk, perk the La-7 . That thing is a monster and encountered very frequently .
Don't get drawn in to blowing your E when fighting an N1k2 and it can't hurt you .
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Originally posted by Mitsu
Hermit has 10 kills and has been killed 1 time in the Ki-61 against the N1K2.
-Mitsu
Mitsu are u Hermit ?
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God only knows... :D
-Hermit
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I say we should focus on the WAR aircraft befor we go to korea stuff.:mad:
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Originally posted by FDutchmn
you want to outturn the N1K2? take a hurricane.
A minor point to the original poster: The F8F-1, the type in service at the end of the war, was armed with four .50 caliber Brownings. Twenty millimeter guns did not appear until the postwar F8F-2.
My regards,
Widewing
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But don't ya like it when a nik blows right in your sights...KaBooom
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Originally posted by Mitsu
Hermit has 10 kills and has been killed 1 time in the Ki-61 against the N1K2.
I don't think it should be perked.
Relax, It's just a game. ;)
-Mitsu
I agree. My K/D against the N1K2-J for the past three tours is:
Tour 27: 13/2
Tour 26: 39/14
Tour 25: (my first tour) 29/22
So, like anything else, with experience, you learn how to cope with it and your scores will reflect that.
I wouldn't want it perked. Like any other aircraft, its success or lack thereof, is directly related to the skills of the pilots.
My regards,
Widewing
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Originally posted by Widewing
I agree. My K/D against the N1K2-J for the past three tours is:
Tour 27: 13/2
Tour 26: 39/14
Tour 25: (my first tour) 29/22
So, like anything else, with experience, you learn how to cope with it and your scores will reflect that.
I wouldn't want it perked. Like any other aircraft, its success or lack thereof, is directly related to the skills of the pilots.
My regards,
Widewing
Okay, after my initial post (above), I decided to take an N1K2-J up in the MA, after flying the La-7 for a few sorties. Hammer and I upped a pair of Nikis and proceeded to A41 on the Balkens map.
I wasn't keeping close tabs on Hammer, but he got at least 11 (probably more) for 2 losses during two sorties. I finished with 18/4 with 7 assists, including 1 PT, 1 B-17 and 16 fighters. I lost one Niki to ack, another damaged by a B-17 (lost a wingtip), forced to bail when a Mustang came calling. I lost two more to enemy fighters, and both of us logged a 7 kill sortie. So, our totals were just 29/6. However, I could easily imagine the K/D to be significantly worse if we (the Ghosts and those Rooks who were there) were not covering each other's tails. Besides, we did some cherry picking too. That's not impressive enough to me to justify perking the Niki. It's a good fighter, but not anything close to a super-dweeb ride.
My regards,
Widewing
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Eeeeeh.... no. I'm all about tooting my own horn I guess. Lemme check my stats real fast so I can show the niki to be unworthy of perking.
Actually, nevermind. I don't have to many kills against it this tour. Why bother perking anything?
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Originally posted by Urchin
Eeeeeh.... no. I'm all about tooting my own horn I guess. Lemme check my stats real fast so I can show the niki to be unworthy of perking.
Actually, nevermind. I don't have to many kills against it this tour. Why bother perking anything?
Point taken. What I was trying to point out is that a pair of Nikis, working the edge of a furball, using altitude and teamwork can run up a decent score. However, that can be done flying Hurricanes too. It's not the aircraft, but how it's employed. Diving straight into that furball would inevitably result in a short existance, with few, if any kills to show for it.
The balance of this post is in response to the general thread.
Last tour (26), the Niki managed a 1.221/1 K/L ratio. That's good, but not anywhere near that of the perked aircraft.
SpitXIV: 1.624/1
F4U-1C: 2.016/1
F4U-4: 1.943/1
Tempest: 4.14/1
How about some non-perk fighters:
Fw 190A5: 1.381/1
Yak-9U: 1.392/1
Fw 190D9: 1.453/1
La-7: 1.220
So, where is the justification to perk the N1K2-J? I simply don't see it.
Consider this also: Not everyone has difficulty with those types so aften complained about. IE: The so-called dweeb rides.
Let's face facts. If a pilot develops methods of dealing with these types, their K/D ratio will reflect it. Two things must be addressed.
Common sense stuff, really.
1) Learn how to defeat the type.
2) Avoid engaging at a tactical disadvantage.
Now, I'm what I would call an average pilot. Yet, I have no trouble with the types most commonly cited for needing to be perked. Why is that? I fight them frequently enough. Let's throw out some of those distasteful numbers again. My current tour 27 scores:
13/0 against La-7
14/2 against N1K2
7/0 against Fw 190D9
8/0 against Yak-9U
20/4 against SpitIX
20/4 against SpitV
That's 82/10 overall. Where's the problem? Flying smart produces those numbers, not anything close to exceptional skill.
I would say that rather than squeak about these aircraft, learn how to deal with them, and be smart in tactical issues. Those pilots who have tremendous talent and skill, they can defeat these aircraft with that alone. Guys like me must develop tactics and and exercise careful planning, but we can be just as successful.
If anyone is having a problem with the above types, or any other type for that matter, don't blame the aircraft. Learn how to cope with them. To do that, you need to fly the type to learn its strengths and weaknesses. Once you know the aircraft, you can formulate tactics to defeat it. However, nothing can help you if you fly with reckless abandon. Some thought must go into how and where you engage as well.
Here's a situation that I see every day in the MA. There's a mixed gaggle of fighters at an airfield, comprised of Nikis, Spits and a La-7 or two. Some huckleberry dives into this crowd and gets whacked for his trouble. Does he learn from this error in judgement? No, he whines about perking the aircraft that killed him. It never dawns on him that he is the problem.
My regards,
Widewing
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bearcat british????????