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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Ripsnort on April 16, 2002, 08:25:17 AM
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Shy of becoming isolationists as we did from '35-41, anyone from the US agree with me that we should pull all foreign aid to the middle east?
My reasoning is this: Not ONE Arab country is stepping forward like the US has to volunteer an ends to the means. Not likely that Israel would listen to another Arab country but the gesture would mean SOMETHING...still pissed off about the Saudi Arabia "Telethon" that they had for the family's of Homocide Bombers week-end before last...
I'm strongly considering writing my congressman and Senator.
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i agree.
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never happen so why bother
plus it'd be taken as a sign of US weakness by the nutbag Arabs encouraging future attacks on Americans.
Do you think that it would stop them from hating us if we stop supporting Israel? I don't. We are a good diversion for their frustration and misery - easier to hate us and our way of lfe than for them to pull themselves up into the 21st century .. after all we are the "Great Satan" :rolleyes:
As nasty as it is, Israel is doing what needs to be done to minimize the terrorist threat to their ppl. If it comes to it, I hope America has the stomach to do the same....
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I dissagree. If nothing else, keep spending money on Qatar, the best hope for Arab democracy in the region (yes yes, the Islamic Republic of Iran, that hope goes down the tubes each time the "moderates" try to actually do anything).
-Sikboy
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My foreign aid package would consist of a ripple from a Trident.
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I would agree with ya Rip if it didn't mean that the Arab nations would bump the cost of oil up 200%.
Cut their aid and they will make up the money some where else.
Either way we pay.
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Cut all of 'em off without a dime.
That includes israel.
Let 'em stew.. restore aid FOR something.. "you do this, we will do that. Should you reneg on the deal; we WILL yank the plug again in a heartbeat. No more free lunch."
Foriegn policy in a sentance. ;)
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I'd wait a bit before cutting off aid..Let's see what happens to Collin Powell's attempts at diplomacy...He seems to have had a calming effect on the region...But for how long?..When that is answered,cut em off(including Isreal).
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NO FUGGIN' WAY!
You think things are unstable now? We're much better off coughing up money to help stabilize the region. Hopefully, we'll be helping to create a more 'diplomatic friendly' Iraq in the next couple of years, and then things will settle down a lot more.
Our Justice department is already accumulating information against people like the *Egyptian* Yassar Arafat, and a few other turds that have been disingenuous about their involvement in terrorist activities worldwide. I expect we'll be backing Israel wholeheartedly the next time they visit the West Bank.
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Big no on that here too.
Cut em off then we can have a raffle on how many days it would be before Isreal is invaded by 4 nations.
AKDejaVu
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just pull aid to israel redistribute it to the palestinians. Atleast stop aiding Israel.
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Pull ALL foreign aid to the Middle east region?
Yes, especially Israel.
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No!!!
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Goodness, Milo... bad day at the office? ;)
Cut 'em all off.. no party money till the BS stops.
Deja, however many days it takes those 4 nations to gear up and attack.. it'll be far fewer days before the survivors make it back to their home countries..... assuming the home countries are still there and not glowing in the dark. I think even the Arab nations have finally figured out that open armed conflict with Israel is not in their own best interest.
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Cut off all foreign aid to the Mid East? Hell, I think WE should start charging THEM for protection. I'll tell you what, you drop one nuke on Qatar just to show the other Arabs how we treat our friends, announce they are next if they don't start giving us free oil, and if anyone like Sadaam Hussein refuses then nuke him.
In fact this should be our new foreign policy- cut off foreign aid to ALL other countries and start charging THEM for all the free protection they've been getting for years. If we want Canadian trees then we should TAKE Canadian trees. If we want Swiss watches then we should TAKE Swiss watches.
Every other civilization- the Egyptians, the Romans, the Greeks, the Mongols- have exploited all other civilizations they've surpassed. Why is the USA the first great dominant civilization that gives AWAY all our stuff instead of TAKING all of their stuff? If Might makes Right then I say it's time to make everyone else pay.
We have concerned ourselves over trivial issues like why the French hate us, why the Irish are drunks, and why English food tastes like toejam. Screw all of them...the only friends WE need are our Nukes.
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Originally posted by Toad
I think even the Arab nations have finally figured out that open armed conflict with Israel is not in their own best interest.
Yep. That's the one thing in all of the middle east discussion that I agree with 100%
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Originally posted by Toad
Deja, however many days it takes those 4 nations to gear up and attack.. it'll be far fewer days before the survivors make it back to their home countries..... assuming the home countries are still there and not glowing in the dark. I think even the Arab nations have finally figured out that open armed conflict with Israel is not in their own best interest.
Don't know toad... I almost get the feeling they wouldn't stop until they were all dead this time... including the remaining nations not on Isreal's border.
sorry... but I don't see that as a good thing.
AKDejaVu
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Disagree. Equivalent to cutting off ones nose to spite your face. Very simplistic attempt to call an action a "solution".
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Originally posted by AKDejaVu
Don't know toad... I almost get the feeling they wouldn't stop until they were all dead this time... including the remaining nations not on Isreal's border.
sorry... but I don't see that as a good thing.
AKDejaVu
And the US would be blamed one way or another for whatever action Israel took in that scenerio, just as we are held accountable for their actions now.
At least now they are on some sort of leash, a very long leash but a leash all the same... remove that barrier and Israel would be the pit bull of the Middle East and we'd be the owner responsible ....
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1. make some cuts in the relationship with israel
2. give palestinians their independent palestinia if biggest 'terrorist' groups there agrees to drop hostiles with israel
3. build up 'berlin wall' between israel and palestinians.
4. do same with palestinians as with egypt - give them money as long as they don't mess up with israelis.
if that all fails, then should proceed with step 5:
promise to make a big parking lot between israel and palestinians.
This should keep them happy for the next 1000 years at least.
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1. Agree. Long overdue. BIG cuts.
2. They'll initially smile and agree and then go back to strapping dynamite on their children and sending them off to collect the "martyr" bonus money. What then?
3. Check the map. You're going to end up with lots of walls and most of them will be around Palestinians, not vice versa. Still OK?
4. Ah, the old "US buys peace" trick. Yes, it seems to work, somewhat. How much you think the rest of the world would be willing to toss in this time?
5. No, no, no... you can't say "nuke". Never Ever. ;)
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nuke, nuke, nuke, nuke, nuke... fek it, nuke 'em all; cause they gonna nuke us fer sure if they get the chance...
pffffffsshhhffftt!
;)
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Originally posted by Hangtime
nuke, nuke, nuke, nuke, nuke... fek it, nuke 'em all; cause they gonna nuke us fer sure if they get the chance...
pffffffsshhhffftt!
;)
I'm sure that's merely more of your US paranoia.
Wait... if they REALLY ARE out to get you.. .are you paranoid? ;)
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Originally posted by Ripsnort
Shy of becoming isolationists as we did from '35-41, anyone from the US agree with me that we should pull all foreign aid to the middle east?
In my opinion if aid to Israel was cut off you would have a major war there within days of the announcement. It would be counter productive to say the least and lead to a economic disaster for Europe when fuel prices went wild. America would not be immune to the economic plunge and we all know what happens when the USA has an "oil problem", the war would only get larger.
There is one hell of a lot of people in the mid-east that are hoping for a scenario that would lead directly to a large war? Bin Laden has been planning for years to start world war three and he sure isn't alone.
In my opinion, I say we continue to back the only "True" democracy in the area. We must continue to actively participate in some sort of peace process. Europe can continue to play devils advocate if the want to, its their right and it may actually help in the long run. Like the USA they (israel) aint perfect, but if you were moving to the Mid East, what country would you be able to live in and still maintain a similar life style to what you are used to?
Israel has multiple political parties and free elections. The majority of the Arab led countries have one party and free elections. Israel has a free press, name one other country in the area that doesn't have a "state sponsored" press? Israel actually has opposition parties and are actively debating the governments policy towards the PLO. Name the PLO's opposition party and its leader? Name the opposition party in Iraq, Syria, Jordan, etc.
Not to mention, Israel has 2.4 million internet connections, more than the rest of the Mid east combined. Try playing Aces High in Syria or Iraq :).
Peace is a process not a end game, it isnt going to come over night . Both sides will have to work at it even after the "homicde bombers" and the Israeli tanks have stopped. The USA must be a part of that process because we all know nobody but the USA can twist the arms to do it. But cutting off funds isnt one of the arm twisting techniques we can use.
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I think we should INCREASE aid to Israel and support any decisions they make. Its time for those racists Arabs to realize Israel isnt going to leave.
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Right on