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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: Zippatuh on April 16, 2002, 09:36:16 AM
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Interesting observation I had yesterday while I was online during the day. It wasn’t my normal time to be up so I’m not sure if this is a day culture or entire Bishop strategy or not. Seemed to work very well though.
Mind you I have seen my share of kamikaze aircraft approaching a field and doing a suicide dive into the AA at a target. I have never seen aircraft after aircraft after aircraft do this though. It took me several minutes to figure out what was going on. “Damn, not one of these guys cares whether or not they survive the attack”.
Each would come in, do a high-speed dive (most seemed to be in either P38’s or 47’s), and drop on a hanger. One by one the hangers dropped. I didn’t realize what was going on until I spied the deck and saw the one loan FH that was up had 2 craters next to it.
This looked like it was actually a coordinated attack with the kamikaze tactic being used intentionally rather than the normal dweeb death dive. I wouldn’t have participated in such a thing because I like to fly to live. I have to say it was very effective.
So, was that whole thing I saw intentional or did it just end up that way? If it was intentional who was the responsible “general”, was it a squad, and if it wasn’t a squad, how did you convince everyone to do the death dive?
Just curious. BTW, it was after the reset and at A63 in the Baltic terrain which is the base just east of A1.
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If you death dive into a AA or hanger or anything, does it cause damage on the building you hit.
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Each would come in, do a high-speed dive (most seemed to be in either P38’s or 47’s), and drop on a hanger.
you do a high speed dive in a p-38 = you compress at 450mph and lawndart.
you do a high speed dive in a p-47 = you reach 600mph with a blink of an eye, create a sonic BOOM, lawndart in "Baltic" terrain and come out in "Mindnao" map. :D
Bozon
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RTOFL :)
you are truly a wise man Bozon :)
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LOL bozon.
TheOxman – no crashing the aircraft does not cause damage. Releasing the bombs a second before you crash does.
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except that bombs dont arm before travelling 1000 feet anyway
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Heh, I would bet $100 its just general ineptitude that you witnessed. Must have been an FDB mission.
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you have to be a a min. alt of 1000 feet before a bomb will explode?
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Originally posted by TheOxman
you have to be a a min. alt of 1000 feet before a bomb will explode?
I think its 500 feet, before the bomb arms.
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Originally posted by Lance
Heh, I would bet $100 its just general ineptitude that you witnessed. Must have been an FDB mission.
LOL! Last week, the Bish spent two hours trying to sink our (Rook) CV. They came in one at a time, sometimes two. I manned a 5" dual turret on the CV. When it was all said and done, I had 21 kills and I'm certainly no great-shakes as a gunner. God only knows how many went down to the other gunners and aircraft, probably well over one hundred. For the record, they never sank that CV. They did, however, lose their own CV and the base we were attacking. They were clearly having trouble getting organized that day. However, each country has the same problem.
My regards,
Widewing
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Why do people assume everyone that hits the ground is on a kamakazi mission?
Of course I'll auger just so I can get up and get a new drink, but there's no chance the people that hit the ground had intended to live?
Or do you mean if there's a good chance they're going to die, they shouldn't try? That cuts out pretty much all dogfighting sorties too.
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Originally posted by Fatty
Why do people assume everyone that hits the ground is on a kamakazi mission?
Just for the record... any time I hit the ground, I was on a kamikazi mission. I'm not lame enough to auger unintentionally or anything like that. :D
-- Todd/Leviathn
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Fatty,
I didn’t assume anything. Someone who wants to live from a air to ground attack does not come in one at a time, level at around 6-7K, drop in from the outside of the field into the center, with an exit route taking you further into enemy territory.
As far as not trying if they’re going to die, come on man. You fishing with sour bait. Attacking air to ground on an untouched airfield will always come with a good chance to die. Most though try and eliminate as many of those chances as possible. For example, diving in the center of the field to the outside, with enough altitude to drop and escape. Then the only worry is someone dropping in behind you. Maybe a lucky AA hit but for the most part drop and escape.
When the first 10 or so aircraft that come into the area dirt dart to the field, one by one, you wouldn’t call that a Kamikaze mission? If your saying that it is just a lack of skill and/or training on the part of your countrymen, you said it not I ;).
I only made the conclusion that this must have been planned because of its obvious affect. If your saying that it wasn’t and it was just coincidence I’m not sure how to take that. It gives a lot of weight to the mass attack of Chihuahuas taking a bit of skin as they pass by.
Trying to pass your bad flying off as needing a drink is a new one. Must be drinking kind of heavy to fly 20 miles to auger at an enemy base. Of course from your response here I can only assume that either 1) you were responsible for the mission, 2) you knew who was responsible for the mission, or 3) you weren’t even there to see it and have no idea what your talking about.
It appeared to me to be organized but I’m getting the impression from the responses so far that it wasn’t.
I’m not bagging on people who dirt dart from a JABO, happens all the time. In fact I’m not bagging on anyone. I just wanted to know who organized it if it was at all.
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I'll take on a full airfield of ack alone from 7k happily, and expect to live every single time. Sometimes I don't, usually I do.
I only live because of the times I died (and still die) figuring it out. Same with CV divebombs.
There are so many inexperienced flyers that I've regularly seen 90% of an attacking force (that I was in, no secret mission) auger even when ack is already down, simply because they're inexperienced with planes with higher compressability. Sit in a vehicle without firing or drive a c47 low and rack up the kills to see how often this occurs.
As for myself, it isn't an issue of flying somewhere with the intention of augering, it's more of where I happen to be when I decide to auger. Be that for a phone call, drink refill, bathroom trip, whatever strikes my fancy.
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btw, yeah I know you didn't post this as a gripe over suiciders, I just got off track a bit from hearing similar complaints too often about cv divebombing (which can be done quite effectively and survived but only after a lot of deaths and listening to people griping about cv divebombing gamers)
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question for those of you who say bombs dont arm with out a 500k or 100k drop ........... next time your on the run way with your eggs loaded in your heavy 51 drop those bombs and see what happens...........
box
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FWIW I have augered for lesser reasons than to get a drink.
I get bored and auger (something more fun happens in RL),
my GF comes in the room naked,
I am too stoned to fly coherently (jk)
just pointing out that not everyone puts importance on 'living' in the game. I fly, have fun and when I get bored.. auger and/or log.
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bombs dont arm at a certain alt but at xxx amount of time.
so if you are going 600 mph you must release your bombs at say 1000ft if you are going 250 then 500ft (these arent accurate figures)
I am 24 and 2 in a fw190f8 I killed 4 gvs in 1 drop.
An la7 was chasing me so i went to the deck at about 400ft going 400 + I spotted 2 m16s an m3 and a panzer 1200 yards away I immediately cycled through my bombs releasing them level.
I did this to reduce my weight so i could evade the the la7. I released the last bomb and broke hard left. I heard the explosions then......
victory 1, victory 2, victory 3, victory 4, by wotan a friendly spit got the la7 off me and i ran home. I am not certain of the range I released it was rather fast.
I carried 1 500kg (which probrably killed most of them) and 4 50 kgs. I didnt have time to det salvo to 4 so I dropped the 50s 1 at a time.
So the conclusion I came to was there was a set "travel time" for bombs to arm.
This happened on the island map near a5. The gvs were at the base of the hill leading up to the town. I was ib to v6 to kill it when the la7 attacked me I split essed from 11k to the deck and was headed back to 5. I was over water to the s x se of 5. none of the gvs fired at me as they were preoccupied with a friendly fp at the top of the hill. I wish I had filmed it but I didn't.
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Originally posted by boxboy28
question for those of you who say bombs dont arm with out a 500k or 100k drop ........... next time your on the run way with your eggs loaded in your heavy 51 drop those bombs and see what happens...........
box
Nothing, do it all the time.
I’m pretty sure it’s a distance-traveled thing. I thought when this was first implemented that the distance was 1000 feet and then changed to 500. I believe it was done this way in order to stop the car bombing by bombers at the map room.
Wotan is also correct with the time traveled. The whole R*T=D thing. The faster you’re going the less time it takes to travel the distance and depending on the angle of drop you can achieve the arming distance needed rather quickly with its arc.
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Originally posted by Wotan
I am 24 and 2 in a fw190f8 I killed 4 gvs in 1 drop.
I would never be that lucky
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Actually, a lot of us Bish spend more time than we should in the House[/u] of the Rising Sun.
And it's been the ruin of many a poor boy and Cod I know I'm one. Oh brothers, tell your squadmates not to do what I have done. They'll spend their lives in sin and misery in the House of the Rising Sun.
So, now you know. :)
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LOL Toad.
BTW - when's the next BBQ/BS session?
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See large bar dar indicating a mission coming to a field near you..
See group of 20 P-38s start dive from 15k.
See 18 P-38s compress and hit the dirt. Bombs miss. Too surprised to fire rockets.
As far as CV's, if the fleet is still 1 and a half sector away, Ill try to bomb it and survive. If its just by my field, ill make a personal delivery, UPS style (here's your receipt!).