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Title: Bring this to AH!
Post by: Puck on April 17, 2002, 01:49:15 PM

Just kidding, but it's an odd one.  Parentage shoul dbe obvious:

Title: Bring this to AH!
Post by: funkedup on April 17, 2002, 02:33:19 PM

XP-79  :)
The REAL Rammjaeger :)

Title: Bring this to AH!
Post by: Charge on April 18, 2002, 08:14:31 AM

Post war copy of Horten HO  (GO) -229?

-Charge+

Title: Bring this to AH!
Post by: eddiek on April 18, 2002, 08:42:38 AM

Developed during the war by Northrop Aviation, was designed to slice the tails off bombers by ramming them.  Top speed was supposed to be 579mph.
BTW, IIRC, Northrop's flying wing designs predated anything the Horton's designed by several years.
I get cracked up sometimes whenever people automatically assume all flying wing designs are copies of LW planes..........:p

Title: Bring this to AH!
Post by: Masherbrum on April 18, 2002, 10:09:38 AM

this thing crashed alot didn't it?

Jay

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Post by: Wilbus on April 18, 2002, 10:37:18 AM

Eddiek, sure they were well Ahed? Horten team were using flying wings WAAAAAAY before WW2.

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Post by: eddiek on April 18, 2002, 11:00:36 AM

Wilbus, I looked it up before, Northrop had a patent on a flying wing about 5 years or so before the Horton brothers began designing theirs.
Trivial, for sure, but not all innovational designs were German.  :)

Title: Just looked at some more stuff........
Post by: eddiek on April 18, 2002, 11:20:01 AM

Jack Northrop wanted to start development on a flying wing in 1923 but was unable to do so due to the economy and lack of funds.
His and the Horten brothers (sorry for the misspelling earlier) progress and developments were so closely paralleled it is near impossible to say truthfully "he designed it first, they copied him" or vice versa.  
My point was simply that the Allies had innovative designs also, not just the LW.  Many of them were never fully developed because there was no need, the Allies were winning the war with what they had.  Too many people see a picture and automatically say "oh, that has to be a German/Luftwaffe design.  Look how advanced it is."

Title: Bring this to AH!
Post by: Wilbus on April 18, 2002, 01:39:54 PM

Didn't inteend to say all advanced designs were German (and I didn't) :)

US and UK had some pretty advanced too but, as stated in lots of books, by US people, they were no where near Germanys technology when it came to Jet and high speed flight.

I think I have that plane in my US book, together with quite a few more interesting and advanced Jet planes aswell as some very advanced prop planes.

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Post by: Dr Zhivago on April 18, 2002, 02:21:27 PM

Few links...;)
Flying Wings  An Anthology  Reimar and Walter Horten (http://www.ctie.monash.edu.au/hargrave/horten.html)
The Horten Flying Wings (http://www.danford.net/horten.htm)
Nurflügel (http://www.nurflugel.com)

Title: Bring this to AH!
Post by: Charge on April 19, 2002, 01:48:22 AM

He hee, DR Z! I have that same picture also. And it's printed on a box. I hope I'll get it ready soon...

Yeah, it's indeed hard to say which one was there first and it doesn't even matter.

Northrop tried to apply the flying wing design into commercial airliners. But a few accidents and the radical design caused them to be scrapped by the order of law. I guess it nearly ruined Northrop both financially and mentally.

If I remember correctly there was somebody in congress who didn't like Nortys desings and tried in any means to get those "UFO" desings put off.
No doubt there was some financial interests there too...

There should be quite a lot of material remaining about Nortys airliners.. could't find it anywhere though...any links?

-Charge+

Title: Bring this to AH!
Post by: Dr Zhivago on April 19, 2002, 04:42:01 AM

More links...:) Flying Wings  An Anthology  Jack Northrop (1895 - 1972) (http://www.ctie.monash.edu.au/hargrave/northrop.html)
Northrop's flying-wing airliner (http://www.danford.net/paxwing.htm)