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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: Mathman on April 18, 2002, 04:37:31 PM
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YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
My second favorite 'Cat is on its way. Thank you thank you thank you thank you!
-math
Oh, and an FM-2 and A-20 ;)
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One or two more Jap planes to fly them against and we've got a Pacific Theatre gents!!
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LOL...and I thought I saw it first.
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My post was five minutes before Math's, and five minutes AFTER Nate's. I couldn't believe it hadn't been noticed yet.
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Bet I get more kills in it Mathman;)
AKDejaVu
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Great looking planes there Natedog! How's that Brewster model 239 coming along btw. ;)
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Math - performance diff between it and F6f ?
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performance diff between those 2 wildcats ?
f6f more obviously
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Off the top of my head, I know the F4F is slower and worse climbing. As far as maneuverability, I believe the F6F has the edge on the F4F, but the FM-2 is better than the F6F. F4F has shorter range and less ammo. You can think of the F4F almost as an underpowered F6F, because that is pretty much what the F4F is (not exactly, I know, but very similar).
FM-2 is basically a souped up F4F. More powerful engine, lighter, 4 guns, etc. Not sure about the speed difference, but maneuverability it is far superior and climbs much better. I can't think of the difference between the F6F and FM-2 performance wise (other than speed, where F6F has the advantage).
I will look it up tonight and give you a much better comparison if you want.
-math
p.s. Deja, you really think so? ;)
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nice as it is ...and i for one am glad to see it...but...bet the love affair is all over within a week....cant see it being used much..
ok for CT and special events...
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S!
Wildcats would both turn inside a Hellcat easily. Much lower wingloading. Climb and speed way down though. Slower than A6M2 zero. Still has six .50`s in the wings though and built like a tank... :)
Basically deadmeat in a slo turnfight versus a Zero. But easily outmaneuvers it at higher speed. Gotta fight in teams with Wildcat.
Compared to German planes, would outturn a 109 or 190 without difficultly. Better high speed handling than 109. Much slower.
You`re gonna see it in the CT in Guadalcanal, Slot Setup. :)
Plus in the Med, as part of a Malta `42 Setup. :D
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sweet.. can't wait.
Thanks Math. I get the picture and will definately be trying to learn it. I love the hellcat and think it'd be a blast to use the Wildcat in early war arenas/setups
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In WBs the f4f and FM2 where my most favorite rides. And Math, i had no problem out turning F6Fs or anything else. Zekes where about the only concern. She was my little beer barrel :) Should be a ton o fun here too..
Dog out............
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Don't know much about the real f4f's but in AW if any of you remember, it was slow but turned like mad. Someone taught me how to fly it there w full flaps against zekes. The zekes here tho are much faster and climb a whole lot better IMO.
ZX
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F4F, excellent! Now that the early war crates are pouring in, maybe its time for a Brewster? After all, it did win the Navy contract against the F4F. :)
Camo
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Yea! F4F's are good :). I want a Brewster too! And a Ki-43 (especially!!!), Ki-44, and an A6M2. Oh, and a P-39 (with a P-400 armnament option if the performance difference wasnt that big) and a P-40. And a P-38G or J. And a P-47B. And.. uh.. well I can't think of anything else I want. Oh wait, an A6M5, and an I-15, and an I-16. Hehe.
About the Wildcat turning, would it be able to out turn our 109E4 easily? I think our E4 might turn too well, to be honest. I can rack it around pretty good, I'd guess at least as well as a F6F (but it is slower).
I think the FM-2 might see some regular use, it was a pretty handy little plane from what I've read (in Americas Hundred Thousand). It could turn really well, and it climbed pretty well too. It was slow though, but a lot of slow planes see use. If it can turn with a Spitfire, you'll see it in the MA.
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We need more early war Japanese planes. I would love to have some early war PTO scenarios with A20s, wildcats, zekes, and any other early war PTO planes we might get.
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Which version of the Ki-43 do we want?
The most produced was the Ki-43-IIa which was armed wih 2 12.7mm machine guns, each with 250 rounds. The first prototype Ki-43-IIb first flew in Febuary of 1942.
The Ki-43-I entered production in March, 1941 and came in the Ia (two 7.7mm Type 80 machine guns), Ib (one 12.7mm and one 7.7mm machine gun) and Ic (two 12.7mm machine guns). The Ki-43-I had a top speed of 308mph, no armor and no self sealing tanks.
The Ki-43-II had some armor and self sealing tanks added. The Ki-43-II had a top speed of 320mph and an initial climb of 3,250ft per minute.
All Ki-43s were so lightly built that they broke up when hit, however they also outmanuvered anything else in the air, even A6Ms.
I think the Ki-43-II would be preferable. Its still early war, but has teo 12.7mm guns and so has a hope of actually downing a F4F or P-40.
As to the P-38, I think we need a P-38F. The P-38J is way to modern, being only fractionally older than the P-38L. The P-38J would have no place in an early Pacific Theatre environment. Lets get some contrast before adding versions that are slightly different.
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Ki-43-III-a wanted too.
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Hey Urchin:), I read the whole chapter over again tonight on the Wildcat in Americas Hundred Thousand, man they are going to be easy to kill:)
What was that line: they climb slower, are slower, and are outmanuavered by the Zero.
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I'm unfamiliar with the Ki-43, anybody got a pic of it
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FM2 was one my favorite ride in WB....can't wait to try it out here. :)
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Oxman, try this.
http://www.kotfsc.com/aircraft/ki-43.htm
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Originally posted by Mathman
Off the top of my head, I know the F4F is slower and worse climbing. As far as maneuverability, I believe the F6F has the edge on the F4F, but the FM-2 is better than the F6F. F4F has shorter range and less ammo. You can think of the F4F almost as an underpowered F6F, because that is pretty much what the F4F is (not exactly, I know, but very similar).
FM-2 is basically a souped up F4F. More powerful engine, lighter, 4 guns, etc. Not sure about the speed difference, but maneuverability it is far superior and climbs much better. I can't think of the difference between the F6F and FM-2 performance wise (other than speed, where F6F has the advantage).
I will look it up tonight and give you a much better comparison if you want.
-math
p.s. Deja, you really think so? ;)
I think that you will find that the F4F-4 will turn rings around the F6F-5. All flight test data I have seen indicates this to be the case.
In the case of the FM-2, it will only be amplified.
Check Dean's America's Hundrfed Thousand for details.
My regards,
Widewing
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Originally posted by Karnak
As to the P-38, I think we need a P-38F. The P-38J is way to modern, being only fractionally older than the P-38L. The P-38J would have no place in an early Pacific Theatre environment. Lets get some contrast before adding versions that are slightly different.
Perhaps the P-38G-5-LO would be the best choice, becoming available in mid 1942. Most of the P-38s assigned to the SWPA in 1942 were F and G models. This will better represent the theater. I believe, because they (later dash number Gs) served into 1943.
My regards,
Widewing
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Widewing,
Check out my post in Sabre's thread "News!!!!! F4Fa'comin" about the Fm-2 being tested against a captured Zero 52 by Naval Air Intelligence in 1944.
Regards, Shuckins
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Originally posted by Mathman
p.s. Deja, you really think so? ;)
Yup. :D
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Originally posted by AKDejaVu
Yup. :D
Thats ok, someone else will probably get more than both of us. :D
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I think the Wildcat sustains a turn better than the Hellcat, but the Hellkitty has a better instantaneous turn rate at respective cornering speeds (I did word that right, didn't I?)
Actually, doesn't the Hellcat have one of the best initial turns overall?
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Originally posted by Mathman
FM-2 is basically a souped up F4F. More powerful engine, lighter, 4 guns, etc.
MAybe my monitor was dirty but I thought I saw 6 guns on the FM2
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You might want to clean your monitor then. I only see four.
http://www.hitechcreations.com/natedog/fm2.jpg
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After 1943 , they were bulit by General Motors and redesignated FM-2. but i saw 4 gun ports on that pic