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General Forums => Axis vs Allies => Topic started by: Karnak on April 19, 2002, 10:32:41 PM
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Sorry Jarbo, but I'm going to have to complain.
Here is the current list, so far as I can see it:
Japanese:
A6M5b: Free everywhere, but hoplessly out classed by every Allied fighter. ENY 25 indicates that it is an even fight for the F4U-1 and better than the P-38L. That's just a joke.
Bf110C-4b: :confused: Why is this even enabled? It brings no new capabilites to the Japanese side and is dogmeat for every fighter. ENY is 25, but it is moot as it shouldn't be there.
C-47A: Stand in for the L2D.
Ju88A-4: I guess this is a stand in for the G4M "Betty". The Betty had a max bombload of 2,000lbs, no armor and better guns. The Ju88A-4 has no place in the setup.
Ki-61-I-KAIc: This is the best Japanese fighter available and it fights from a massive disadvantage. Despite that, it's ENY of 18 means that it can't be used to get perk points. Flying P-38s forever is easy, just a matter of killing 5 Ki-61s for every 3 P-38s lost.
Ki-67: This is the only Japanese bomber available. ENY of 17 effectively feeds free perk points to the Allies.
N1K2-J: Perked and limited to unknown rear fields, it might as well be removed. This is the only fighter the Japanese have that is able to compete and it is fuctionally removed from play. The ENY values on the Japanese fighters make using it, even at its 2 point cost, even more difficult.
TBM-3: Stand in for the B6N2.
Allies:
B-26B: Medium bomber with good payload and good defensive fire. ENY of 25 means that the Ki-67 is considered to be better, but that's a joke.
C-47A: Transport.
F4U-1: Early F4U, good representational fighter for the USMC. ENY of 25 says that an A6M5b is an even fight and the Ki-61 has the edge. BS.
P-38L: Perked, but available from every base and having an ENY of 30 makes this, especially considering its ground attack capabilites, a massive subsidization of the Allies. At the very least make it so that it doesn't get nearly 2 perk points (its cost) for killing a Ki-61.
P-47D-11: Free and available from every base the fighter outclasses all Japanese fighters, even the perked and base crippled N1K2.
P-51B: This fighter massively outclasses all Japanese fighter, including the N1K2, and yet has an ENY of 20 and is free from every base.
F4U-1D: USN F4U, is available from carriers only. Its ENY of 18 makes it the best bet for the Japanese to earn perks, and yet even though it massively out classes the Ki-61 only 1 point will be had for killinng it.
Seafire Mk IIc: RN carrier fighter, available from carriers only and with an ENY of 25, same as the A6M5b that it outclasses.
If the Allies are going to have the P-51B and P-38L available from every base whereas the Japanese don't even have a Ki-61-II, let alone an actual competitive fighter like the Ki-84, then the N1K2 should also be available from every base.
The Ki-84 was produced in massive numbers, 3,500, was the best Japanese fighter and isn't available in AH. The N1K2 should be enabled as a freebie and at every base as a stand in for the Ki-84.
The idea that everybody will fly it and it should thus be limited doesn't sit right with me because it is only being used against the Japanese. It makes me worry that when the Ki-84 is added it still won't be allowed in the CT and the Japanese position will remain screwed.
At the absolute minimum, at least don't stack the ENY values so obviously in favor of the Allies.
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He is right... Japs always get screwed(from what i see)
IMHO that is
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I just gave it another try.
Its a joke.
I'll be back if things get fixed, or next week, whichever comes first.
This setup is so laughably biased in favor of the Allies.
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Agreed Karnak.
The issue is mainly on the free avaliablity of the P-51B and the F6F from carriers.
From my point of view, the allies should:
1) Have the P-38 (unperked) avaliable only from their back bases. Not avaliable from newly taken fields. Maybe this would make 38 jocks fly 2 sectors to get to a fight (and with DT's that is no problem). P-51B should also be avaliable from back fields and PERKED at 2 pnts. The pony has far superior abilities vs IJN than a 38 does.
2) F6F perked at 5 pnts. Having it enabled from CV's only creates a fricken MASSIVE horde of hellokittys that easily overwhelm and dominate any IJN resistance with just 1 or 2 waves. Its also got a heavy ordenance load, which far outclasses the IJN jabo payload.
3) Enable F4U-1 from carriers. I dont give a rats bellybutton if they were land based. Make the F4U-1 the main allied ride, like the Zeke is for the IJN. Enable SEAFIRE on CV (perhaps 1 cv with seafires , another with F4U-1s?...both having F6F as perk avaliable).
This is done to LIMIT the unholy advantage US rides have in the air and in the jabo area. If allies have only the F4U-1 and seafire as their main ride, their jabo is restricted to almost the same as that of IJN, so allies wanting to bomb would take the TBM or the B26 (currently unused..theres no need for them if 3 of your fighters can carry just as much ord AND fight a-a!).
For the IJN:
1) Add C202 substituting for the Ki-43 or Ki44 (with MG armament only), add Bf110G2 and C4 substituting for Ki-102 and Ki-46 twin fighters respectively. 110G2 avaliable only from back bases, unperked
2) Perk N1k at 2 pnts and make it avaliable from all fields.
3) Increase the perk gathering power of the Zeke and Ki61. Use this to balance out the advantage non-perked US fighters have over them.. these perks would be used to get the n1k, which in turn overwhelms the other allied rides (except P-51B).
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For once...
Tac has made a good statement..
tac
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Thanks for the suggestions for play balance.
I made a mistake on the N1K..It should be enabled at all Axis fields now, i made a mistake in the setup. I will evaluate the "imbalance" through this tour and make modifications for next run. If you read MOTD, you would notice that Seafires are enabled from 1 CV and F4u-1 AND f4u1-D ARE ENABLED FROM a different CV as well.
Jarbo
CT Staff
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BTW: Perk gathering power of aircraft cannot be modified currently to my understanding
Jarbo
CT Staff
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Jarbo, the Cost, OBJ, and ENY values can be altered, but not by us. Pyro or another HTC person has to do it. My fault for not mentoring you well enough on that aspect of arena set-up:(. If you decide you want to alter them, just send an e-mail to Pyro asking him to modify them in what ever manner you deem fair and necessary. I like the set up otherwise.
Sabre
CT Staff
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Karnak,
I just flew in this set-up for the first time, tonight.
First I was Allied, then Japanese, then Allied agan.
I ran about the same K/D in the F4U-1 and the N1K and was a little worse in the A6M, but I was doing a lot of Jabo and ack-stripping in the Jap planes.
The only imballance that I saw was when the sides became lopsided, which went both ways tonight.
I think it's fine.
eskimo
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Other than handing speed, jabo, firepower, climb rate, durability, ENY settings and bomb load to the Allies its perfectly balanced.
Of course that is to say its not even slighly in any way balanced.
When the RN carrier is around the Japanese don't even have turning as an option. I was trapped in a fight with Seafires and P-51s. Ki-61 is very difficult to win with in that situation, so I HOed a P-38 and got .59 perk points for shooting down a perk plane with my mediocre Japanese fighter.
Ki-84 would balance the fighter situation, being a match for the P-51 and F4U. Yet given the respones I have seen from the CT team I can only assume that when the Ki-84 is added it too will be removed from play.
EDIT:
It seems to me that the intention with each Pac setup is to give the Allies a punching bag, yet the intention of each European / North African setup is to give the Germans and Italians an unhistoric parity with the Allies.
Why is the CT staff so concerned about the Japanese getting to use the high end equippment and yet willing to let the Germans run rampant with theirs? My specific example is the Fw190A-5 in the Tunisia setup last month. It wasn't controlled at all and got to use Spit Vs and Hurri IIs as punching bags even though Fw190A-5s were at best extremely rare in North Africa and at worst never even there.
Now, I understand that putting the Germans on an unhistorical parity with the Allies is good for gameplay and I have no problem with it in that context, but why is parity suddenly bad for gameplay when its Allies vs. Japanese?
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I have flown the Japanese prety mush all the time this set up, I have been able to improve apon my K/D ratio in my overall rankings, in fact my ftr rank has gone down.
I realy feal, as I have stated before, and Karnak you have been a big proponent of this your self, we realy nead more Japanese planes in AH. How about a N1K1 for our mid war plane set's? instead of always having to perk the N1K2 we have? now theirs an idea:)(althought the N1K1-J did not enter service untill very early 44.) ...We nead more Japanese planes:)
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Karnak are you insane????
Germans in Stalingrad 1943 lw ac vrs 1944 VVS aircraft
Tunisia
p51b and p38l b26 moss vrs 1943 lw a/c italians had the 202 in tunisia what concession was that?
Now I assume you are referring to the lack of the spit ix. Even reading Funkeds thread spit ixs were available in very limited numbers. in one flight he used as proof that spit ixs were there at that time showed 4 out of ten in a flight were spit ixs. read buzzbaits reply in that thread.
Who do you think flies as IJN/IJA during pac set ups. Mostly guys who fly lw planes.
Pac setups are always and have been from the 1st one a onesided affair in terms of attack capability.
I earned 30 perks in the ct today flying a zeke. p51bs attacked my zeke from above as i was deacking a field. I killed all 4. I had 3 runs of 4 plus kills all landed in a zeke.
I have np killing in ija/n planes but it gets so boring with the ho run to ack repeat they rarely get hits but spend most of their time running.
If it gets bad I log. The problem as I see it in pac set ups are in attack.
For instance 1 ija/n plane cant kill a vbase. We had 6 closed for near an hour. I killed the ack 4 times. We could never get enough ord on the twn to keep it ded.
I dunno what parity concession you are talking about in relation luft/eto set ups but the by far majority like the pac set ups are to the benefit of the allies.
even the ju88 in bob was whined about by allied folk. But they never mentioned the 50 cal tbms the allies used.
So all the fuss about the ju88 i upped a spit 1 and killed a flight of 4 ju88s on my own. I had np killing umm so is that the type of concession you are speaking of of.
The problem is the planset it self. Either we only do late war eto stuff or just we shut up and play the ones we like and skip the ones we dont. And if you have a better idea of what will work I believe theres room for another volunteer on the ct cm staff.
wotan has 39 kills and has been killed 19 times in the A6M5b.
over ct tour 4 (this tour hasnt been reset and covers 2 other pac set ups plus 1 day of this set up) atleast 10 of my deaths are from ack. I was killed 4 times by 5 inch flak in 1 day.
No doudt most of these fights are like pulling teeth
wotan has 7 kills and has been killed 1 time in the A6M5b against the P-51B.
all 7 of these were today the guy who got credit for the 1 kill had pinged my but twn ack got me and finished me off.
As much as I concede that pac set ups are onesided I have lots of fun and cant wait for the day when the bluebirds can no longer run to ack. I may quit lw planes all together and join a ijn squad :)
btw i hate the guns on the tony rof is too high i waste too much ammo per kill to make it worth my time to fly. 1 or 2 kills then rtb is boring. The niki rof is too slow I find the zeke about right.
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Agree with what Wotan says. Don't think that CT staff favour LW vs Allied plane set and want to make it more even by adding LW planes that didn't exist. 190A-4 flew in Tunisa with Jg2 and (I think) a Jabo squad. Ju88A-4 flew in BoB.
The N1K2 has been added to all fields and it was obviously a misstake which Jarbo corrected rather fast. Unperk it? No, it's cheap, i could afford it after my first flight in the Ki61 and flew it the rest of the evening. Slow? Yeah, didn't stand a chance of catching the P51's and F4u's I saw but in furrballs and zoom fights, no plane what so ever beats the Niki.
The plane set IS unbalanced, why? Because the Japanese, with a few exceptions, built planes for Maneuverabilty instead of speed, something that sevred them well early in teh war (zeke vs F2m etc) and gave the zeke a reputation in both USA and Japan to be near unbeatable. US got faster planes, Zeke could do nothing more but to try and avoid being B&Z.
N1K2, late war plane, not very fast but very good. Ki84, late war aswell, very very good and maybe even the best plane the Japanse had.
All we can hope for is to get a Ki84 and Ki100 (ask Mitsu for info on that bird).
Karnak, you're right about the ENY, indeed very wrong but CM's can't change it.
Jarbo, could you talk to Pyro about it? He's changed it upon request in the CT several times before and might be nice to have him change it now aswell :)
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Originally posted by Karnak
Now, I understand that putting the Germans on an unhistorical parity with the Allies is good for gameplay and I have no problem with it in that context, but why is parity suddenly bad for gameplay when its Allies vs. Japanese?
My guess would be that the Luft-Whiners whine better than the Zeke-whiners. :D
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I think the current setup is a good one for both sides (giving the restriction the Japanese have with modele AC). I flew IJA last night and had a decent time. My first hop was in a zero and killed 3 P-51's that bounced me. I was lucky:)
The tunisia setup was fun, but the setup leaned heavily for the LW. It wasnt P-51's, P-38's, B26's against 1943 LW AC. No sir, it was Spit5's and Hurri's agaisnt 190A5's and 109G2's the majority of the time. When the fight got north, after the allies had lost several fields, then the pony's and the lightening's came into play. The Spit9 was enabled on the last day at 3 fields, but two of them were LW held :rolleyes: , and the third field, A32, was used exclusively:D until The LW took that from us ending our short stint in the Spit9 in Tunisia.
It was still fun. The CT is a total blast and I really am glad we have it to use!
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I think one of the things the CM's should be asking for is the ability to restrict ord loadouts.
If you had the capability to restrict U S Iron to a lower loadout capability it wouldn't be so unbalancing.
Yes at the end of the war F4u's & Hellcats carried 2k of bombs. But did they in 43? Limit them to 500'lb bombs and how does that change the gameplay?
Esp from Carriers, also you could enable its 2k loadout at rear bases for defense.
As for Eskimo's claim, well I saw him rack up a 9 kill sortie in a niki killing acks, planes in the air & I suspect on the ground. I was there in a Zeke and got shot down 3 times without a single kill.
Which brings up the final sore spot.
Arena resets, all the perks I gained last week with nothing to spend them on are gone. This week when I could desperately have used a few. I have none, and was unable to get even 1 in a hour of flying.
We need a perk bank that lets us save & transfer perks just like a real bank.
Transfering to another arena or setup, fine, put a healthy transaction fee on it.
I guess I'm like Karnak. I used to love PTO setups, but I won't fly this one.
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The perk-affecting variables should get fixed shortly. It's unfortunate we CM's don't have the power to change those, but that's life. As for those who say, "This set up's too unbalanced; I won't fly in this one." all I can say is...okay, that's your choice. But I've flown both sides in this tour (more IJ than Allied) and have had a good time. Bases have changed hands, kills all around. I still prefer it over the MA, even with this perceived imbalance. Interestingly enough, the only A/C I really fear to go against when I'm flying Japanese A/C is the Hellcat. The other's are a challange, but I face them with confidence. In the end, if you're having fun then don't worry about whether the N1K2 should be perked or not, or whether the Allies can carry too many bombs and rockets. If you're not having fun, then play in the MA. But don't just look at the set up, or play 30 minutes, and decide not to fly in the CT.
Sabre
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CT staff,
Could you tell me how the CT Staff would like to use the Ki-84-Ia (should it ever be added) in CT Pac Theatre setups? What kinds of ideas might you have?
Sorry about the original text. I know you guys work hard at this. My sincere apologies.
Wotan,
No, I was not refering to the lack of the Spit IX. Iwas refering to the presence of the Fw190A-5.
The NA campaign that I am familiar with involved mainly Hurri IIs, Spit Vs, P-40s vs. Bf109Fs. Yet when I was flying in the Tunisia map I was pretty much flying Hurri IIs against Fw190A-5s.
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when i found out what bases the spit ixs were at in tunisia I put up missions to capture all three and did to prove that regardless of your allied whines you wouldn't be able to fly it for long :) even if it was the last day. Istead of taking those bases back you were milkrunning the axis hq. At that time the allies had near a 2 to 1 advantage in numbers. Knocking out dar just causes folks to log.
The luftwaffe fought in the south because we could get in 109f4s and have good fun fights with spit 5s. Almost historical if ya think about it.
Tunisia regardless of the whining theres was no axis conscession
in terms of aircraft. Wilbus was right a5s were used more often in tunisia then the spit ix. I posted a link to a jabo squadron who recieved them inn the beginning of march.
Allies got p51bs and p38ls these planes needed to be limited because 1 they were never in tunisia and 2 they performed well beyond anything available at the time. The b26 and moss as well were gameplay concessions to the allies. The spit ix was so rare in tunisia that it needed to be limited as well. And since it was in tunisia in the last week (rl) before the germans with drew then making it available on the last day and at limited bases was quite a bit "more real" then having it available from day 1 and from every base.
The fact is despite all the allied whiners they have been given the majority of gameplay concessions in every ct set up thus far. This is the result of a lack of a complete planset. It appears the ct cms have went through a great effort to get set ups people like.
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With lots of people in the arena maybe this setup would work.... but with small numbers... not a chance.
Flew my last hop in the CT until the next setup.
Thanx for the effort CM's ya don't know until you try, I can understand that.
After Tunisia which I had alot of fun in, this setup is a dissappointment. I prefer to fly axis... (I will fly allied if the teams need to be evened up in a minute) the game is about balance, this setup is as unbalanced as it can get in AH IMO. I don't care about ord, I am just talking fighter vs fighter.
If you think the planeset is balanced... watch the CT #'s I am sure they will tell the tale, and indicate success or failure in this regard.
No point in sayin anymore
Cya in the next one
SKurj
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Actually there was only one field that was allied held that Brady enabled the spit9 at, it was captured within an hour. It was then that a few of us worked over the axis HQ. The other two fields that the spit 9 were enabled at were axis held at the time. I asked brady about it and he said that they were allied held in the beginning, and that where he wanted to put them.
I don't think the spit9 was no more scarce in tunisia than the 190A5. That was my whole gripe. The 190a4 was there but not in large numbers (at least what I gathered from the references posted here.)
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i posted a link that showed at least 20 190a5s were being used as a fast bomber group (schnelleskampfgeschwader) III./SKG10
The a5s were there in early march. Even so the 190a4 was there
as was the a3 and the performance difference between an a4 and a5 arent all that different. If anything you can view this as an offset to the other concessions all ready given the allies.
Now read the stuff funked provided. It states "spit ixs after april 30th" and agiven date of may 8th. It also shows the rarity of the spit ixs at the given date. It stated that 4 out of a flight of 10 were spit ixs. the rest being spit vs.
You are correct 32 had spits ixs we took it then took 34 (?) then another.
Theres no doudt that the spit ixs was the spit after the with drawl of the germans from NA. It is equally clear that spit ixs were fewer then a5s and werent there until maybe as little as a week prior to the german evacuation.
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As for balance/imbalance of a setup, I plan to watch this one thru the end of the tour and make my overall assessment rather than snap to judgement. I have however noticed that the IJN have taken more Allied bases than the Allies have taken from the IJN. This tends to counter arguments that the Japanese are completely screwed.
Just my opinion,
Jarbo
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Jarbo does raise an interesting point, the George has a freaking ton of 20mm ammo as we all know, with it's two 500 pound bombs it can do some serious damage to a bases's town, in this capacity it is the best Jabo the Japanese have, It would still be a better Jabo than the Ki 84. The Ki 84 has the exact same weapons (including bombs) as the Tony does albet more ammo. The inclushion of the JU 88 has done a lot to add balence in the bomber catagory.
Another observation of mine is this, we can sight preformance figures till were all blue in the face. the same can be said for ordance loadout's, when it comes right down to it, often these are not at all revelant in determing how a set is going to play, the human factor can not be dismised and often is far more revelant than all the other factors.
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is it possible that untill the japanese get the ki84 can we sub the la5 for it (maybe perk it a point or two)
personally i dont like to sub any planes but sometimes u gotta do it for balance.
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Originally posted by SKurj
If you think the planeset is balanced... watch the CT #'s I am sure they will tell the tale, and indicate success or failure in this regard.
Maybe I'm the moron? I've been having a fine time flying for the Empire, and haven't felt that either the Zeke or the Tony was outclassed by anything - except for the P-51. In fact, I feel kind of sorry for those folks who fly Corsairs. Of course, you'll seldom be able to chase anyone down if he wants to get away, but most people want to fight, and it seems to me the Rising Sun planes do just fine.
I don't think the numbers tell the whole tale. In Tunisia I was only once able to fly as the Allies, because the Axis were the low number side on all other occasions. Same thing this week. I think that lots of people are familiar with Allied a/c, and don't want to take the time to learn the Axis planes.
- oldman
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Oldman +) u misunderstand...
I mean the total # of players in the arena over this week +) will tell the tale, not how many on which side...
SKurj
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The 190A5 is for game play purposes identical to an 190A4. people that say the use of the A5 is an axis conssesion are on crack. The a4 was in service in Tunisia. (as was the Spit IX)
I have to agree that the current CT is boring unless the allies get bored of their uncontestable advantage and aggree to tangle with the zekes...then ammo shoots us down...
I disagree that the Pony and the Jug D11 totaly dominate the Niki though...kind of a silly statement. They are just faster.
What we ended up doing last night was all taking Seafires and mixing it up with the Empires best. It was fun...but it was just a furball. Nothing you couldnt get in the MA with alot more choice.
If only I could have connected to the MA...
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The only kill I managed to get was a suicide HO using a Ki-61 against a P-38. Every other Alled fighter has simply run from me after making a couple of high speed passes, run and not ever come back.
Oh, excpet for the time that I took on 3 F4U-1s and 2 P-51Bs with an A6M5b. Took them quite a while to kill me, I could've drawn it out even longer if I hadn't tried to become the aggressor. With five on one the Allied pilots seem willing to actually fight.
Had a nice dance with 2 P-47D-11s in a Ki-61. They tried to sucker me into commiting to an attack on one and the other would kill me, but I didn't bite. Pulled them down where I found 5-6 other Ki-61s and combined we managed to barely pull one of the P-47s down. The other used its speed to get away. The P-47 pilots then started whining that the Ki-61 was too good. Apparently 2 P-47D-11s vs. 6-7 Ki-61s should result in a romping kill fest for the P-47s.:rolleyes:
Jarbo,
I appologize for the tone of my post. You are right, it was atagonistic. I will edit it.
Could you tell me how the CT Staff would like to use the Ki-84-Ia (should it ever be added) in CT Pac Theatre setups? What kinds of ideas might you have?
Thanks.
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eventually even the best allied pilots make a mistake. If you are a good enough shot, and are there at that moment, then the little zeke is mighty.
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I am one F4U pilot guaranteed to stay and fight- that's what I go to the CT to do. In fact, the only thing that runs me outta there is the lack of aerial combat at times.
Ask Brady- I went for his LVT three times, died all three, looked around, saw it was land grab night and left. Nothing wrong with that play of course, it just isn't what I want to do with the few minutes I have to fly...
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Karnak to answer your question about the Frank. I am prety shure the reasion the George is perked is because the model we is a late war plane, If we had a Frank and it was set in the approparate time frame I am shure it would not be perked, or restricted at least in my set up's. I plan on doing a late war pac set up in 3 or so weeks, in fact it will be as late as one can get Aug. 1945 Russians vs Japanese no CV's set in the Kuriel IS. NUTTZ is doing the finial touches on the map and I can not wait to run it:)
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Kieran, come in higer next time m8t:)
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Likely the KI84 would be introduced into a bit earlier than realistic setups (at least in mine) to give IJN some aircraft choice.
If I didnt say it before, it seems, so far, the JU88 hasn't been a big player in the gameplay of the CT Mindanao setup. Therefore, as it is a German plane, I will likely remove it from next Mindanao CT setup.
Jarbo
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My info has the Ki-84-Ia's first combat in March, 1944 in the CBI Theatre. The 22nd Sentai flew it into combat over Hankow, China where it faced mainly obsolecent P-40s. Not surprisinly it did very well. Five weeks later the 22nd Sentai was sent to the Philipines where the rougher conditions caused the rot to set it. Reliability then became an issue, however the Ki-84s did very well when they worked and were not hugely outnumbered.
The first Chutai to convert to the Ki-84 was in September of 1943.
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Couldn't; I was alone and you had dropped the troops. My mistake was going for you first. I needed to kill the troops, not you.
When I first caught you guys coming in I killed yer bud and was wounded. I had to finish what I could, then reup. I saw your friend respawn and I knew the base was doomed. I made a game of it, but after the base was lost I looked around and saw people were going for real estate and not flying. I didn't have time for that game so I went to the MA for a while- which was ok, I hadn't been there in a week or two anyway.
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Ahh to bad :( after that we uped to take the V base N of their had some good dog fights up that way till the big freaze, aparentaly everyone had the game lock up on them. Then we faught our way into that large base up N from thier, was fun:)
So your in game name is .......?
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Dolomyte=Kieren
I had worked all weekend (I am taking courses correspondence, I teach full-time, teach night courses occasionally, soccer and softball coach, dad, husband, etc.) and had only a few minutes to fly and fight. I popped in, saw Allies were low in numbers, and landed on the active base. I saw two zekes and upped an F4U figuring I would get vultched. One other Allied was up, but he flew off after we got the Zekes. I nailed a TBM and two Zekes, all of which totally ignored me and went for buildings, VH, and ack. I knew then you guys were coming.
I flew the beach line until I saw the dots. I wasn't sure if they were ours or theirs, so I dropped in. By the time the dots turned to icons I was in gun range, and took some hits right away. I killed that LVT, was wounded, and pulled vertical as I blacked out. I came to rolling to the port side, but fortunately was set up for a run. I laid into you for a long burst, but you were stronger than the other LVT. You got me.
I reupped and went straight in for you because you were near the city, and I figured you had to be near dead. More hits on you, but no explosion. You took my wing and I saw the troops drop.
I reupped, this time came in a bit higher. Could still see the troops, but I wanted to kill you. You had to be near dead. Nope. I hit you again for another long burst but died once more.
I reupped one more time and just as I lifted off I was hit by my own ack as the field changed hands.
A little disgusted with how that had turned out (the results were inevitable so long as you guys were willing to respawn, so I knew it was lost to begin with) I looked at the map. Popping to the northern fields showed no enemy air activity. There was no way to immediately get back to the base we had just lost, and I decided it wasn't worth the effort. I had only about 20 minutes or so left to fly, and I wasn't going to spend it that way.
Don't take this to imply you guys did anything wrong- you didn't. Sometimes I have time to play that way, but usually I don't. My time restraints prevent me from playing that type of game most of the time. The bases are there to be captured, and you guys did what you needed to do to get it.
*Edited a spelling error.
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It is always interesting to see it from the other side:), I had no damage till your last pass I lost my 50cal on that one, was watinig to let lose with my 30 cal when the ack killed you, I was hoping you were out to kill me and ignore the troops, thats why I let them out that far out, heck that LVT is so slow it is almost as if they walk faster than it drives:)
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N1k2 is slower than every american plane, yet it is perked .
I just stopped in the CT . Here's what was going on, zekes vs p51s, f4us, f6s. Needless to say the american planes were pretty much massacreing the zekes with impunity .
The best IJN fighter we currently have is a mediocre fighter, it doesn't warrant being perked . It is a spitIX except with weaker guns and bad high alt performance .
To put it into perspective, the japanes planeset is so craptacular that it has been augmented with the C202, lol .
The pac planeset in AH is at a disadvantage to the japanese as it is . I don't agree that service introduction dates are reason enough to skew it further . If IJN and IJAA had a more complete planeset then yes .
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which is why the 38 and 51 should be based in the home fields ONLY and 51 perked because of its insane ability to run.
Just like the n1k should and will remain perked.. it can dominate any non-p51 rides without much effort.
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Originally posted by Tac
Just like the n1k should and will remain perked.. it can dominate any non-p51 rides without much effort.
Only in Mandoland .
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Originally posted by Tac
Just like the n1k should and will remain perked.. it can dominate any non-p51 rides without much effort.
LOL, The F4, P-47, ..especially P38 and P-51, all dominate the N1k. If you are in either of these AC and don't like the situation, just leave the fight. or extend while another pony makes a pass at the N1K. Your turn to take a shot at the N1K. Repeat process.
If you are low and a high N1K shows up, you may be in trouble, but is that so different than any other high enenmy fighter showing up?
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ammo, has a point, espichaly since they neautered the George this has been a problem with it, it was a problem before but not such a glaring one.
The plane is simply slow, by comparison, I wounder how this is going to effect the Ki 84, It has( I am prety shure) the same engine as the George does.
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The Frank is flat out faster than the George. It won't be as fast as the La7, but down low it will give everything fits. What it can't outrun it will outturn, and what it can't outturn it will outrun. I'd take a Frank over a George any day.
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With good american fuel the ki84 was actually faster than the p51d on the deck correct ?