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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: jbroey3 on April 20, 2002, 03:45:39 AM
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http://www.simhq.com/simhq3/sims/boards/bbs/Forum35/HTML/010833.html
Any info here Mr. Hitech. :)
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The thing that IL2 seems to have modelled wrong there is that once passed the sound barrier, most planes with a "correct" wing shape regains controll again, buffeting is experienced in near the barrier and goes away once it is passed.
Here is a link to a 262 page. It was the first known surviving pilot who broke the sound barrier.
Race to Mach 1 (http://www.luftwaffenschmiede.de/mach1/index.htm)
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Haven't done any tests as I don't stay up at night wondering about such esoterica. However, it appears to me that the aircraft do exhibit Mach tuck behavior approaching the Mach.
HT will undoubtedly chime in here with a one word answer for you though.
Tell me, did your Mom model polite behavior? It appears not (to me) because the only time I see you post in here is when you think you've found a new ruler for your AH/IL2 whang measuring contest. Do everyone a favor please: zip up, youngster and be on your way.
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Charles Yeager is the first pilot with telemetry evidence to prove he passed through the sound barrier. All else is heresay.
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Originally posted by hitech
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heheh
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Originally posted by Wilbus
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Here is a link to a 262 page. It was the first known surviving pilot who broke the sound barrier.
Interesting read Wilbus,but I still don't belive the 262 went SS.
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There proof there, even the US said it was capable of it, all signs the pilot describes show that it did infact go supersonic.
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Wilbus,
there was a fella in britain who "probably" went supersonic in early 46 and a USAAF test pilot in a souped up P47 "probably" went supersonic in early 45. A Japanese fellow went supersonic off Okinawa in a little rocket plane but he missed his target and he doesnt count anyway. He died.
Yeager was the first guy to survive and have proof. Thats all Im saying. He was first with the data to prove it.
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o my god the wabbles get it in their heads again
:)
einz heinz
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Originally posted by hitech
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LMAO
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Originally posted by Toad
HT will undoubtedly chime in here with a one word answer for you though.
You mean a one word condescending useless answer don't you?
Why do you assume this guy's question is phrased "IL2 models Mach tuck and is therefore a way better flight sim than stinky old Aces High". Perhaps he is just curious as to whether or not Aces High models Mach tuck. An unimportant and esoteric feature to be sure, but what is the harm in just giving a straight answer instead of an automatic flippant insult?
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Originally posted by 715
You mean a one word condescending useless answer don't you?
Why do you assume this guy's question is phrased "IL2 models Mach tuck and is therefore a way better flight sim than stinky old Aces High". Perhaps he is just curious as to whether or not Aces High models Mach tuck. An unimportant and esoteric feature to be sure, but what is the harm in just giving a straight answer instead of an automatic flippant insult?
Hey, get over yerself, and when yer done, refer to this thread: http://www.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=51352 For edumacation on what HT's answer means. (pay attention to Puck's response)
And why do you assume that this guy's question isn't phrased this way?
(see i can use the cool bold stuff too!)
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Originally posted by hitech
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Much better. Yes, folks, he CAN be taught!
:D
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What was so bad about that answer 715? He wrote '1' as a joke, based on something Puck said in another thread. You may not be aware that by '1' he means yes. (In C programming, and logic in general, boolean expressions evaluate to '1' if something is true.) It was a joke, and I'm sure HT didn't mean anything by it.
(I thought it was funny HT. :D )
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Nevermind. I was mixing up two threads.
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Not to mention Jbroey is only posting the question to start a flamewar.
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Tell me, did your Mom model polite behavior? It appears not (to me) because the only time I see you post in here is when you think you've found a new ruler for your AH/IL2 whang measuring contest. Do everyone a favor please: zip up, youngster and be on your way.
Toad, get over yourself, and take those blinders off.
Not to mention Jbroey is only posting the question to start a flamewar.
Clue # 2, ... Wrong Mr. Kieran, put your pom poms down now.
Why do you assume this guy's question is phrased "IL2 models Mach tuck and is therefore a way better flight sim than stinky old Aces High". Perhaps he is just curious as to whether or not Aces High models Mach tuck. An unimportant and esoteric feature to be sure, but what is the harm in just giving a straight answer instead of an automatic flippant insult?
And 715 Is the Winner: You see he obviously is not blind cheerleaders that most here are.
Yes 715 what you wrote was my intention. At least you can see that with a clear eye.
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Thanks Hitech for a quick and simple reply :)
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Really, Jbroey? You mean you didn't disregard the BBS policies by posting off-topic material about a competitor's product on the open forum? Who has the pom-poms?
Please, by all means, answer in German again about how we will never see the greatness of Il-2.
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was thinking the same thing Puck.. heh:D
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Originally posted by Toad
HT will undoubtedly chime in here with a one word answer for you though.
I was going to say, "How much you wanna bet it's mispelled?"
:rolleyes:
Ouch out
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Originally posted by Ouch
I was going to say, "How much you wanna bet it's mispelled?"
:rolleyes:
Ouch out
Oooo.. oooo... if I'm fast I get to be the first to point out that you misspelled "misspelled"
;)
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Geez guys where's the problem? Jbroey asked a very simple question and HT answered it. No need for drama.
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I guess you have missed some of the previous posts.
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Yeager... Yeager was the first man to go Supersonic in level flight, supersonic speeds had been reached (with proof) several times before during Korea bu F86 pilots.
AFAIK you can't brake the sound barrier with prop planes unless the prop blows off, once it reaches near mach speeds the prop cause more drag then it pulls and the plane don't go faster.
Not sure what more proof you need but sure what ever ya'll say...
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The IL-2 vs. AH comparisons are not such a bad thing, even though the apples/oranges argument regarding massive online play is warranted.
Other than this topic that seems a bit petty, still, the player asking a game play question, if nothing, points out my frustration of HTC being a bit coy in their administration of the game. Something that can be annoying.
Still, I won’t question HTC, they have proved their decisions in game play and development have been solid decisions, time and time again.
Note, Il2 has a forum where the developer answers players directly, and they actually promote that. That’s good. I wonder if HTC will follow?
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Il2 has a forum where the developer answers players directly, and they actually promote that. That’s good. I wonder if HTC will follow?
HTC staff (top to bottom) answer questions directly on every forum in this BB.
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I just wanna how the fek ya get an IL-2 to Mach 1?
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F86 prototypes were creating sonic booms that could be heard by the x1 team befor they created one
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Originally posted by Pongo
F86 prototypes were creating sonic booms that could be heard by the x1 team befor they created one
In fact, didn't the F86 pilots go SS and create a sonic boom (which Yeager heard) either the day before, or even the morning of the first Yeager SS flight?
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Vulcan it was the B1 rocket that I was able to seemingly get to the sound barrier.
Once I did get the the critical speed the aircraft started to rapidly become uncontrollable. The Nose started a violent negitive downward acceleration, and by only full trim, and gradual complete (to the stops) pull of the stick, I was able to recover at about 740kmph.
I could not do this all the time as the plane would seem "locked in" and the control surfaces were useless.
It is rather different, that all I had been pointing out. As a comparison, I have seen no effect like this in Aces High, but however a state of compression that in effect overall renders the controls sluggish (but not unrecoverable or with negitive nose acceleration.)
This was the purpose of the post, to just find out if hitech has infact included this interesting aspect of aerodynamics.
Im not saying I do not believe HTC,.. I think that the ways inwich Aces High and IL2 recreate the effect are different?
:cool:
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Originally posted by Wilbus
Yeager was the first man to go Supersonic in level flight, supersonic speeds had been reached (with proof) several times before during Korea bu F86 pilots.
Is there any limit to the dumb and inaccurate things that you will say?
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First flight of the prototype F86 was October 1st, 1947. Thirteen days before Yeagers supersonic flight on October 14th, 1947 (three years before the start of the Korean conflict). I seriously doubt the machine was pushed through the sound barrier within thirteen days of its inaugural flight. If in fact this did occur at that time then I am confident the knowledge of such an event would be widespread. Please list references to this data.
Thnx,
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Originally posted by Kieran
I guess you have missed some of the previous posts.
I was out of town, haven't been on a computer since I posted that. But you answered what I would have answered.
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According to an article in Air&Space, a F86 did indeed break the sound barrier the day before Chuck did.
But, if I recall, the politicians of the day wanted to squash that news as they wanted to keep the funding flowing to the X project so they ignored the F86's accomplishment, destroyed the data for that flight and ordered that group to not ever attempt to go super sonic again.
I need to find the article as my memory may have missed some of the finer details, but I definately recall that Chuck's group was having breakfast the morning it happened and they all heard the sonic boom.
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either hitech is saying yes
or (and you all missed this)
he gave you a one word answer
lol
i wonder how many aircraft in AH can come close to mach.
i wouldnt think it'd be needed since at that point you're about the cfit anyway
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"1" LMFAO! Not to be confused with 0. :p
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>>Note, Il2 has a forum where the developer answers players directly, and they actually promote that. That’s good. I wonder if HTC will follow?<<
I can't help but wonder what possible advantage there can be to HTC in doing this?
Hmmm, this may be elementary but, when I last checked, a business enterprise is not a democracy. Taking a survey of the BBs in here and there are ample reasons why it isn't.
If IL2 has a developers forum then good for it, I wonder if it helps them get more competitive with AH?
For my money, with a customer base as fickle as AH is, I don't wanna see this game go to rule by committee.:rolleyes: