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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: Sunchaser on April 17, 2001, 04:31:00 PM
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Then get in your pretty little fighter plane and shoot the damned thing down.
I do not need to hear any crap about super guns and laser bombsights either, I read all the crying in the other threads.
Almost every time a pilot takes the time to set me up he wins.
Almost every time 2 attack at the same time they win.
I have been bombing from 10 to 15K for several tours thus making the fighter guys job easier and still some cry.
Well I am going back to 20-28K, I land more missions from those altitudes.
If you want your furball hangers come on up and protect them.
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When did they put this thing in here and WTF is it for?
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I don't fly bombers Sunchaser, but I agree with you wholeheartedly.
And I've seen you below 15k on many occasions. Above on a few.
<S> to you and those like you. <finger> to those that don't make an effort to stop you but still whine endlessly about your presence.
AKDejaVu
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Preach on brother Sun!!!
Why doncha come on over to Bishland fer a bit and I will join ya. We can fly over knitland and kill lazs hangars. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
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25-28k should be the alt at which any bomber flies. Any buff not going to those alts is meat for any 20k fighter (which gets there in a minute or so).
You know how I feel about turbolaser, so I'll spare you (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif) BTW, go the the BUFF WAVE thread, you may like what I suggest. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
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Well said Sunchaser, why should you have to fly at below 15k just to make it easy on someone else at the expense of your enjoyment.
I apologise to those other than Lazs I might have offended in the other posts about buffs, I have tried reasoning with him in other posts and he won't even listen to the other side of the argument so I lost the will to make a resonable debate with him this time and unfortunately may have tarred a few people with the same brush in the process, for that I am sorry but it bothers me that HTC might listen to his arcade appraoch and ruin the sim for the majority.
There are many things that can be done to increase the realism for buffs but this is equally matched for fighters also as only the blinkered cannot see the concessions made to BOTH sides for the sake of gameplay. One day when the numbers are sufficient we perhaps will be able to run a historical arena and try some of the good suggestions that have come out of all this...I look forward to that day.
<S> to the other buff drivers out there
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nahh, when a bomber ruins my day, I just get a ju88 and go furballing on the deck. It's fun, requires little skill, and I get a helluva lot of kills. I don't enjoy furballing in fighters. But give me the rear-facing guns of a Ju88, and I'll kill you all.
and I'm sorry sunchaser that you're too incompetent to outmaneuver a fighter trying to set you up. I almost never go down without inflicting at least serious damage on somebody.
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I do a lot of buffing, and killing buffs too. I dont think the gunnery of buffs are too bad.
Remember that in most cases the pilot has to gun himself. Even with these fairly effective buff-guns, it is much less problems downing a buff than in WB with AI controlled buff guns.
To down a buff here you just have to show a bit of patience, and avoid attacking at a straight path from dead six. That is strangely enough what most do - and thus they get killed as they should.
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Hail to Sunchaser and all the other buff pilots and to the GOOD fighter pilots who know their schtuff.
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I think terrorizing buffs is almost as much fun as terrorizing Goon pilots (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
Just think yourself lucky I only had 20 rounds of ammo left the other day sunchaser (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Nice shootin btw
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at this time I am 17/5 for killing 17's and 16/3 with lance's hate to chase them to 28k but have done it ur right a buff at 15k is just dinner on my plate
Gsling
332nd
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Just returned from a 2 Ju88 sorties in the MA. My totals:
1 PT boat
2 FPs
1 M16
2 Zekes
1 spitfire
1 N1K
First sortie I RTBd. Second sortie, I shot the wing off the N1K as it killed me.
I killed some acks, maybe a fuel tank and an ammo dump, and got a VH too, but I never exceeded 7000 feet, and spent most of the time below 2000.
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LOL (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
<S> Sunchaser
BTW: If your new and REALLY want to learn the BEST way to get troops in....watch Sunchaser sometime.
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Dammit Dinger, ya want to brag go start yer own topic.
Vulcan, as soon as HTC gives me a Russian version of the C47 you are in BIG trouble.
Thanks on the shooting.
Hey Sling, you have not shot me down lately, where ya been?
Thanks for the invite but those pointy hats just look toooooooo silly.
Revvin, I am almost ready to loan my shrink to our friend.
Some lousy bomber, no talent dweeb dude musta bombed his crib or something.
Tac, I am all for any change that makes bombing more realistic, I would love to leave the lousy hangers alone and hear em squeak that we cratered their furball field and they cannot take off without breakin' their little toy airplanes.
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Wow, thanks Ozark.
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When did they put this thing in here and WTF is it for?
[This message has been edited by Sunchaser (edited 04-17-2001).]
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Wotan has 10 kills and has been killed 2 times against the Ju 88.
Wotan has 15 kills and has been killed 6 times against the B-26B.
Wotan has 13 kills and has been killed 4 times against the B-17G.
Wotan has 9 kills and has been killed 3 times against the Lancaster III.
Buffs are prey sometimes they surprise you but for the most part you only need to be 10% smarter then them to get a kill.
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(http://personal.jax.bellsouth.net/jax/t/y/tyr88/wotan.JPG)
Pray not for an end to the slaughter...but for VICTORY!!!
[This message has been edited by Wotan (edited 04-17-2001).]
[This message has been edited by Wotan (edited 04-17-2001).]
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Maybe I should put my point this way:
Bombers are supposed to piss people off. That's their job. If you're a bomber pilot and you don't feel like bruising egos, drive a C47.
Still, buff guns are way too tough; I suspect the reason is twofold: A. to make the Ju88's defensive armament work and B. to counterbalance the lethal effect of the C-hawg.
Now, if we knocked down the buff guns to 1.0 lethality and bullet radius, and perked the Cannon-Hawg, I think that'd be a concession to everybody.
If we eliminated sector counters altogether and made radar dots visible only from the ground, bomber pilots and fighter dweebs would be happier.
BUt I sure as hell ain't gonna kill myself in a fighter plane going after a buff that gets warning of my presence, and can and will kill me on a single pass when I shoot through at 500 mph from high-ten oclock.
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PS, Wotan:
Dinger has 1 kill and has been killed 0 times in the Ju 88 against Wotan.
Dinger has 1 kill and has been killed 0 times in the B-26B against Wotan.
[This message has been edited by Dinger (edited 04-17-2001).]
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Originally posted by Sunchaser:
Hey Sling, you have not shot me down lately, where ya been?
Thanks for the invite but those pointy hats just look toooooooo silly.
Gee...first you wouldnt join me when I was a cRook because you said you liked the leather underwear in knitland too much. Now you wont join me in bishland because we wear funny hats?!?! Ridiculous. Been spending most of my time on the knit front lately. Got tired of hearing the gangbanging whines comin' from yer cRook buddies all the time. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif) See ya up tonite. Maybe I will try to hunt ya down. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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Well said suncher no matter what sim ya fly you got a lot of suckling babys that cry abought buffs .lol if me drill can shot 3 b17s dn ( was a few days ago (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif) )in 1 sorte
seems to me them cry babies have not took the time to learn how to do it . and yes i got hurt but they never made the base and thats DEFENCE (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif) ..least i think so (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
so let em cry or learn to deal with it what i say ...oh ya this is a game and a very good 1 at that..god help those that
will 1 day get it all togeather os should i say the receaving end will need the help
sips drink moves on (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
<S> all who try (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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DRILL
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If you're trying to crank the animosity up between the fighter and bomber groups a couple of notches...this thread willl probably serve it's purpose nicely.
I think I get it. Your trying to piss of the fighter guys so they'll stop ignoring you and start attacking..right? Sorry, I'm not falling for that one. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
bowser
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Is A Bomber Ruining Your Day?
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tour 14 i picked on the buffs...
76 kills of buffs to 22 deaths.
Not always easy to kill but hey they WERE hard to kill in RL (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
the guns on bombers seem fair to me.
if the gunner is good he 'should' be able to hit you.
take your time (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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Hazed
3./JG2 (http://members.home.net/winyah999/3jg2.htm)
[This message has been edited by hazed- (edited 04-17-2001).]
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Originally posted by Vulcan:
I think terrorizing buffs is almost as much fun as terrorizing Goon pilots (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
Just think yourself lucky I only had 20 rounds of ammo left the other day sunchaser (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Nice shootin btw
lol you go to hell vulcan!!!!!
im a hella good shot in a buff but guys who fly like vulcan (in the terrorizing fashion) will waste me everytime
they prevent you from keeping course, lining up targets and having the chance to look in your bombsight by harrassing the hell outta the buff without actually shooting on every pass.....
<S> to all patient buff killers!
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I usually fly my buff at 10k. I dont think Ive ever had a lanc to 20 k.
You hit it right on the head Sunchaser.
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My bomber is ruining my day.
Suppose I'm a dedicated fighter pilot and HTC gives me a 190 with AMRAAMs, autoadjusting convergence, turbolasers and external views. Obviously I would look for a different sim. I imagine how frustrated should be the real hardcore buff pilots with their actual planes in AH.
Most of you are counting the effectivity of buffs based on K/D ratio. Ok, for me, destroying and hangar is a more vital kill than destroying a fighter. So, the REAL K/D ratio for buffs, supposing they were shoot down on every mission, is about 2 - 6 to 1. Now compare it with the average 1 - 1 achieved by fighters and lets talk about gameplay concesions ...
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Whew..I've noticed Sun's strategic actions against the mean old enemy (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif) for quite some time, and watched him fly support for base captures more times than I can count. I'm sure glad he's on our side!!!
<S> go man go!
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I went hunting buffs in a b26 once . I would drop down in front of a buff and shoot it down with my tail gunner . I had killed about three and these buff drivers had the gall to start complaining about buff guns on chan1 .
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sun..U are operating under a misconception... You seem to feel that people enjoy the challenge of killing buffs or that they find it a worthy thing to do so far as some distorted idea of "strat".
Most simply ignore bombers because they are unrealistic and unfun. Unfun is simple enough to understand right?
they are no fun to shoot down. A lot of work to kill a lumbering turd of the air. They can be shot down with enough time spent but it is time poorly spent for a lot of us... there are a lot more interesting things to do than play sky footsie with endless streams of respawning bombers.
Unrealistic? sure.. 1 man crewed B17's on lone missons with laser bombs and slaved gunsets. Spray the glass nose of one and surprise... the pilots are still alive. The targets are unrealistic and have an unrealistic effect on the game. The bombers are so concession ridden that they aren't even part of the sim... They are like open topped flakpanzers that are invulnerable to straffing... gimicky gamey concessions that.... If they do have a place in the sim... at least we ought to have the option of ignoring them without it ruining the game even worse than fighting em.
The skill level of the bomber pilots varies wildly with most merely on some kind of ackstar suicide run but it still takes the same amount of time and effort to kill em. What amount? Well... the amount of time it takes to kill em is about twice what they are worth in fun/kill ratio.
If you like to fly and fight simulated fighters against other simulated fighters in large groups with some semblance of parity then you probly hate the bombers and the way they cause the uneven gangbangs and large chunks of boring arena time but... if you care not about simulation and simply want to play the worlds most pathetic strat 3D board game with some of the peices realistic and others not... then you probly think that they are fine as is.
and that's why i don't just spend all my time online setting up and attacking bombers.
lazs
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Most guys *like* to fly their buffs under 20k, more chance of action, after all, they have almost an equal chance of killing the fighter as the fighter has of killing them...buffs have the advantage of slightly extended .50's and fighters have the advantage of tactics, speed, manueverability and 20mm (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
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Well, I've been in the MA for about 4 or 5 days now, and here's my (obviously profound) thoughts. They may hold some value, because they will illustrate how the bomber modelling impacts the experience of someone new to the game.
Air to air learning curve is MUCH higher than bombing curve. It is also much higher than bomber gunnery curve. In a bomber, you are shooting from a stable platform.
My style of play is oriented around teamwork, and making a contribution to my team's effort. I have found that the only contribution I can make as a fighter jock is to soak up lead and die so maybe another of my team can get an easier kill. On the other hand, I can actually be of some use to my team (and have a lot of fun) flying a buff/goon or manning a gun in an Ostie or in the Task Group.
Is soaking up lead in a fighter any fun for me? Only if it's part of a coordinated team effort, and those are few and far between. Most of the better pilots on my team (the Rooks), and on the others (I would suspect), seem to be hunting perks, not attempting to defeat the other countries.
As an example, let's take the action of the last couple of days. On Monday/Tuesday, the Rooks got wiped out and the game reset. When I logged on yesterday morning, we had anywhere from 11 to 25 Rookies on the roster. But those few began working together. By the time most players got off work/logged on, we had made substantial progress.
I was feeling quite good about this. Once we got 50+ teammates online, the efforts began to fragment again. But we still had two main areas to concentrate on, one Bish and one Knight.
We were doing really well, but I noticed that we began bypassing what were obvious strategic targets in favor of the shortest path to the HQ islands. Didn't make much sense to me, but my fellow newbie (Niblitz) and I took our buffs along on the Knight offensive.
Suddenly, about midnight US EST, I see the first truly massive organized mission come up (all jabo). Some of the hot sticks started a mission called "Reset the Knights". Being new, I thought this was a push for revenge from the pasting we took on Monday, so I'm going "yeah!". I told the team that I had two buffs, and what could we do? Dead silence (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
We were already heading on a mission to the base the l337's were heading to, and went in and took out the FH and fuel, and a few odds and ends (they didn't leave much, there were over a dozen of them, heh). Dead silence again, LOL.
By the time we RTB'd and bombed up again, it was basically all over. Well, that's fine. We got to make our small contribution, the game had reset, and we had groundhog day (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
Then the channels all lit up with "don't log yet", and "woohoo, perkies!!!!". To be fair, there were a few "WTG, Rookies", as well. I sat a watched the posts, and it was all about perks and points. About 'rados and 152's. Not much (um, not anything), about the coordination involved, or anything else about teamwork.
No salutes to the opposition, just "woohoo, perks!" (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/frown.gif).
And I noticed that the "reset the nits mission" had started almost exactly six hours after most people would have logged on (at least in the US). This, all of a sudden, made sense, given the post in the game that "everyone who has been in for 6 hours gets the points".
This has probably been beaten to death in the years that I haven't been here, LOL. It's probably a fact that the only way to keep the long-time players interested in the game is with the points/perks/rank system.
I don't think I like it much, though. It reminds me too much of hated Quake-type Ladder Games.
And it smells to high heaven of elitism.
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Originally posted by Degas:
And it smells to high heaven of elitism.
And you're from Bismarck, ND.... EVERYONE is more elite than you!
-SW
(family is from Bismarck, ND)
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I've been knocked down more than once by that ammo sponge you call a B-17, Sun. I wouldn't change a thing though. I am forced to rush my attack, I pay for it just like I should.
Salute to you or any other buff pilot who endures the nonsense we hear about buff "invincibility". While I can't blame fighters for ignoring bombers (they aren't defenseless, you know (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)) I can blame them for complaining about the impact bombers have on the game when you ignore them. It is no more or less than allowing an Osti to walk up to your base unattacked- once it is there you are in deep doo-doo, and it is your own fault.
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Ok Degas, here's my take:
A. You hit someone's squad night. Coordinating with those guys is gonna be difficult because there are two text and one voice channel they're using that you're not. Some squads are happy to have others along; others prefer to work by themselves.
B. Guess what? Country-level coordination usually ends up being a pretty messy affair. Whenever you fly these things, you'll have to expect not to get regularly and timely updates. C47s will arrive at fields where the ack is up; buffs show up at flattened fields, and the rest.
C. Yes, there is elitism here. Among other things, you have to make a bit of a name for yourself before people start counting on you. Many new bomber pilots come in, can't hit the broad side of a barn, and leave. Do well, and the good strat guys will notice.
D. To receive the victory perk points, you have to be on the winning side when the victory occurs, and not to have changed sides in the last twelve hours.
E. The dirty secret is that nobody cares that much about perk points. Oh, and if you want an Arado, you can get it much faster using your fighter in an air-to-air role.
F. Next time that happens, be sure that at least you salute the enemy. You might notice you'll shame the others into doing so. As it was, we were too busy porking their HQs.
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Well, this thread was on page 59 of this forum and only 5 months old, proof positive that we talk way too much and are still saying the same things....over and over and over and.........
Deja Vu?
(PS, DJV, not a request for a response.)
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I used to spend much time hunting buffs and killing them.
Its boring a waste of time the dweeb keeps coming and coming hell me and a swuaddie shot the same 2 lancs ib 48 earlier tonight 6 times. They nevr made to 48 a p47 ended jaboing the vh before ag could kill him. Then the 2 lanc jokers showed up in spits to deack it they got most but I killed umm both.
They then came back in a spit and a goon and I killed umm again.
This story proves to me the value of buffs to base capture NONE,,,,,,,
The only time they make it is when everyone else is having fun furballin to waste there time runnin umm down. So they come in and with laser accurracy kill the fhs and fly off. Thats when the someone gets mad and kills umm. WOW what fun...........
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Sunchaser,
We are forced to say the same things, since no action is taken, and the dead horse corpse is still in the same place, smelling worse than ever.
You can say what you want, but definitely there is no way a silled fighter pilot kills a skilled buff pilot above 30k, if buff pilot is aware of figher's presence.
You can say what you want but bobmsight, as we currently have, has the triple merit of detracting the skill factor on the bombrun, on the navigation to have a good lining and allowing jinking and pinpointing (even "big" AAA sites) each and every target individually from any altitude.
You can say what you want, but runway damage model has the merit of ruining the buff ability to disable a runway by filling it with craters (IMHO, a more realistic approach to base damaging).
You can say what you want but cross-country planes, able to take off not only out of the runway but from rough surfaces nearly everywhere diminish the importance of tarmac to a minimum.
You can say what you want but buff guns firing through own's solid surfaces is still not fixed, and this is not a gameplay concession, but a bug. Same with buff guns' firing arches.
You can say what you want but, as it is today, buffs are skill-less mobile ack platforms when under 28k. Over that level are simply gamey dweebs' vehicles.
Sorry for the bitter tone of the post but, yes, you guessed it, buffs are ruining my dayly addiction. Pity is that I loved Buff flying when that required some skills. Loved map usage (Remember when you have to fly a certain course during a certain time, make the right turns at the right places to get a good lining on your target? Remember when you had to study maps to have the best way to get to your target, avoiding enemy airfields without ruining your IP?). Yeah, I loved Buff simulation. But that's something we don't have in here, and I'm sad about it. AH is a great, an awesome sim/game. But the buff department is lagging apparatously behind.
Cheers, from another Buff aficionado.
Pepe.
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LOL this thread really makes me laugh.
The only thing i wonder aout is how Dinger gets so many kills with a JU88??
When a fighter comes within gun range even 40-50 pings wont do much to him.
And as a fighter jockey i say: Besides the C47 the Ju88 is easiest to kill. Even approaching from dead 6.
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I got 4 kills in one mission in a Ju88. 2 N1K2s, 1 Fw190 and 1 La-7. :D
The second N1K2 got me as well though. :(
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"Then get in your pretty little fighter plane and shoot the damned thing down."
And I do just that. And very well I might add.
Every time I see a bomber I put it at a higher priority than any other enemy plane in the area. The only time I die to one, these days, is when I make a "get to that bomber no matter what" effort in order to at least get the bomber about to drop. Even if it means flying just above stall speed while climbing up on it's "6"
It's not the guns or the FM. I find bombers easy as it is so if folks find the FM or guns hard to deal with then they need more practice. It's the ludicrously simplistic bombardier functions that allow any Day One dweeb to up in a bomber, get to 20k and put the cross hairs on HQ or the FH's at some base. It would be the same as having all the fighters in AH come 10X "hit bubbles" so all one would have to do is pull the trigger for a guaranteed kill on any fighter in you view.
Westy
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"I used to spend much time hunting buffs and killing them.
Its boring a waste of time the dweeb keeps coming and coming hell me and a swuaddie shot the same 2 lancs ib 48 earlier tonight 6 times. They nevr made to 48 a p47 ended jaboing the vh before ag could kill him. Then the 2 lanc jokers showed up in spits to deack it they got most but I killed umm both.
They then came back in a spit and a goon and I killed umm again.
This story proves to me the value of buffs to base capture NONE,,,,,,,
The only time they make it is when everyone else is having fun furballin to waste there time runnin umm down. So they come in and with laser accurracy kill the fhs and fly off. Thats when the someone gets mad and kills umm. WOW what fun..........."
Yep... the raw truth. Also read westy... they have too much effect for the pitifull amount of effort (being bored for 20-30 minutes is not effort) and skill they put in. Like having a "hit bubble" 10 times the size of the plane for fighters.
Face it... it's dumb and wrong and no fun for any but a couple of guys... It was changed once but lone, lumbering no talent buffers can still kill a cv battle... Can you believe how dumb that is! it will get changed and soon... watch.
lazs
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Has anyone actually given light to the fact that the game isn't finished yet? Things will change for the better sooner or later.
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sling.. u should man a bomber and kill all my fighter hangers in knitland... I'm sure that would teach me a valuble lesson and disprove my point about buffs having too much affect for how little effort is required.
Looking at all the devestation that I have brought on my beloved knitland will probly change my mind... give it a shot.
lazs
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one other thing I haven't said anything about skill in a buff because it takes none
1. Auto-takeoff
2. slight course adjustment.
3. auto-climb
4. take a nap
5. wake up take a dump check course
6. push a button 4 times
7. turn around
8. go back to bed
9. wake up fix some food land
its not even a bad thing getting shot down unless you need the second nap real bad.
Skill .........bs
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Sunchaser-------Trolling--------Good One!!!!
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Originally posted by lazs1:
sling.. u should man a bomber and kill all my fighter hangers in knitland... I'm sure that would teach me a valuble lesson and disprove my point about buffs having too much affect for how little effort is required.
Looking at all the devestation that I have brought on my beloved knitland will probly change my mind... give it a shot.
lazs
Maybe you should check the dates on these threads lazs....but pull the hook outta yer mouth first would ya? ;)
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Lasz is a rook
SKurj
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Skurj is a sheep
Pepe
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sling... April? How could that be? I'm sure i would have noticed the devestation someone of your skills would have caused my beloved knitland... Oh, yeah, I was a rook back then too... Nevermind.
I really hate that... everytime someone "hunts" me I miss it somehow.
lazs
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Sling is a fat DRUNK bastard. I could easily see him bombing rooks when he intended to bomb knights. Besides those FDBs probably can't remember what they did anyway.
Hooligan
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That was back in my pre-FDB days before I mastered the fine art of lawndarting in a fighter. I enjoyed buff driving and I learned a lot about formation flying from Sunchaser, but I dont see what the big flap is over them. Just another target in the air.
My feelings haven't really changed much. I used to get mad about people squeaking about bombers all the time, but now I am just indifferent to it. I fly to have fun, but I also like to fly with an objective in mind...like base capturing or getting the reset or whatever. I could care less what someone else thinks about how I play or what my "rank" is. I will up in a bomber from time to time to pork some hangars or fuel or ammo to help my side....its all in the name of having fun. Sure there are times when I just wanna furball....I hop in my trusty N1K2 (for the whine inducing qualities it has) and point my nose to the nearest enemy engagement and try to stay alive.
Like I pointed out in another thread...there is room for everybody in here. It doesnt have to be an "us against them" thing. Bombers are and always will be an integral part of the game. 9 times out of 10, furballs are the result of one side or another trying to capture a base. When this happens, the buffs come in and hammer the hangars which clears the way for troops, etc. The furball then moves on to the next frontline....its just the way things are. I dont know how HTC can tweak it, but I am sure they have some ideas.
Guess I got a little long-winded here, but my main point is: Dont worry about what others want to fly...fly what you want and how you want and have fun.
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Buff guns are NOT tweaked according to HT in a prior post. Apparently the same ballistics model as on your P51 or P47. .50AP, cept theres a whole lotta them and your sitting on their six like a big fat juicy target approaching at prolly 100 mph. Think of it as a HO with a P47 except the P47 gets to fire twice as much ammo.
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sling... i would love to take your advise and fly what I want how I want but... the buffs in AH have too much affect on my time online. I would love to ignore em or, if they were 10 times more realistic, fight em but...
lazs