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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: AKcurly on April 17, 2001, 08:06:00 PM
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When do we consider someone a valued member of our community? Is it someone who doesn't cheat (use hacked software?) Is it someone who doesn't violate social rules of the community (like offmap bombing?) Is it someone who is friendly and polite to all participants and helpful to the newbies? From my point of view, I follow all of the above.
On the other hand, there is a unpleasant minority in the Aces High community who are determined you will play the game their way. You get to listen to their endless brainless, blather about F4U1Cs and N1Ks.
Nevermind the owners (and designers) of Aces High have elected to leave these planes in the planeset. It really makes you understand religious fanantics better to listen to some of the participants.
Guys, I'm not a very skillful pilot -- it really doesn't matter what I fly. Generally the only guys I kill are the ones that I sneak up on.
Generally, I fly a g10 or la7 for fighter sweeps and sometimes a pony or p38. Almost always, I fly a F4U1C for jabo.
I am so sick of you unpleasant jerks, I'm flying nothing but F4U1Cs. Color me blue (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
AKcurly
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I consider a member of the community virtually anyone that plays the game. I consider them a member of the community until they cite that they are quitting the game because of the community and ostricize themselves.
I'm not a big fan of the belief that everyone must be a valued member of the community, or that everyone must be well liked and warmly received. That is a pure elitist mentality.
I'm more of the belief that people need to look around the place they live and work and understand that they are going to see the same diversity here too. Some people will be cool. Some people will be asses. Some people you won't know anything about. Its the way it goes. Learn to deal with it.
As for squeaking about plane types.. well that's just what it is. Once my P-40 arrives... I'll probably sit back and squeak at everyone flying everything else. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
AKDejaVu
[This message has been edited by AKDejaVu (edited 04-17-2001).]
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Well i see nothing wrong with it (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
ya just got to but up with babys
they eather get over it or learn to kill it (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif) they got a choice as we all do (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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DRILL
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I value any member of the community---unless they have an AK at the start of their gameID (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/tongue.gif)
I value anybody who flies the Corsair...because they bring out the whiners!
I also value me because I pad everybodies score!!!!!!
AKbaldy has been quite vocal this week....somebody please go get him some MIDOL:0
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Im with you guys
[This message has been edited by Pongo (edited 04-17-2001).]
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Yes, I agree with curly. Nice post man.
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ooooh pongo you edited it before I could read it (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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The Chog is a joke. Nothing against anyone. You pay, you play...still, the damned thing is a joke.
Yeager
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I have a sweet spot for Ju88's, the TBM plus "dweebfires"...and you think you've got problems!
(http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Tronsky
[This message has been edited by -tronski- (edited 04-18-2001).]
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S!
I have great respect towards most of the ppl in this community,even my ch1 behaviour is somewhat poor sometimes.The whining(or whatever U call it) of the C-Hog is of pure frustration.Always they seem to HO.If U evade this stupid C-Hogger (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)and look back when he passes,U see the sky filled with 20mm Dweebhano tracers.In most cases their gunnery sucks,so they spray and pray,even the greatest pilots of the C-Hog in some cases.Oh well..enuf of whinery for now (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)<S> to all adversaries.It's the plane I flame,not You personally.
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DB603
3.Lentue
Lentolaivue 34 (http://www.muodos.fi/LLv34/)
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Well put DB603, it is the plane i flame not the people.
And Curly with all do respect , bite me on the off map issue (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Any way good hunting all.....
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[This message has been edited by brady (edited 04-18-2001).]
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What I think we have here is a SYNDROME... Chog syndrome. I don't have any issues with the chog, personally I can see why the guns are so effective - the close group, the design of the aircraft with the drooped nose and so on - it all makes sense.
I don't find chogs particularly uber when it comes down to a fight, even with a good pilot they're no miracle plane. The problem is the dweeb-crowd use them, and its giving the plane a bad name.
Generally I will abuse a chog pilot as a HO dweeb WHEN I have killed him. Usually its after a blatant attempt to HO which blows his position and I reverse and send him to chog pilot hell.
The problem I find is the 'it takes two to HO argument'. That is pure BS. I try to avoid HOs and 75% of the time do so sucessfully. But so numerous are the attempts that the 25% of successful lucky pings adds up real fast.
Honestly, I don't think there is anything you can do about it. If you took the 'inexperienced' people out of the hog I'm sure the Chog Syndrome would disappear overnight. BUT then they would all move onto something new!
The only plane here that I will leave alone is the N1ki. Sorry but that plane is just not right. OK... maybe it can zoom, but surely a plane that is light enough to zoom like a Colonial Viper can't follow you through 500kias dives and pull out into a series of maneovres that would scare a porn star like nothing happened? N1ki should be more like a 109 in a dive. But I'm not an expert and I'm just masturbleating so who knows...
Leave the chog... educate the newbies.
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Chog is ssssooooo porked man. The flight model and uber-lazer hispano cannons are such roadkill...
Get this yesterday I was in a 190D9 at 8K and had a Chog dive in after me. With his superior energy and speed I was not gonna get away so I reversed and flew into his flight path. After a long series of scissors, loops, turns and spins I finally got what I was after... a kill. Guess who's name would end up popping up? GTR
Yeah man that there Chog is so porked, it mine as well be a flying pig.
(http://cwm.ragesofsanity.com/cwm/cwm/uhoh3.gif)
-SW
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Heh, we Flying Pigs are all pork baby, all the time. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
Winged swine... airborne pork... it's all good.
Oink! Oink! to War!
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Sean "Lephturn" Conrad - Aces High Chief Trainer
A proud member of the mighty Flying Pigs
http://www.flyingpigs.com
Check out Lephturn's Aerodrome (http://users.andara.com/~sconrad/) for AH articles and training info!
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Added to the list of chog dweebs can now be the chog hypocrite.
Lots of guys do behave like dweebs in the thing. Human waves of chogs going for the HO 3 at a time. doing kamakazi runs on hangers...etc. They are hogc dweebs.
Seeing good pilots in the thing that dont normaly fly it and kidding them for it is good natured...If you cant take it that way assess for yourself why not.
If it shames you so much to be caught flying the chog dont fly it.
Myself I find it funny. Got a 10kill 2 assist sorti in the HogC last night no rearm.
The bad rep that the chog has keeps alot of good pilots out of the thing. I think thats a good thing. The game is better for Drex, Nimitz, Zigrat and Citabria not flying the thing with any regularity. If we gotta constantly remind people that it is a dweeb crutch to maintain that then that is fine with me.
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Originally posted by AKDejaVu:
Once my P-40 arrives... I'll probably sit back and squeak at everyone flying everything else. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
AKDejaVu
I think you will find the P40 a poor choice of aircraft. They look good, especially with the Flying Tiger decals, but a poor fighter in ww2, and other sims.
ATC
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I’m for anyone that adds to my enjoyment of the game. I fly AH to have fun and detach from the normal every day crap. Just like anything else there are varying personalities. All together they add some flavor to the game. It bothers me not on how any individual or group plays their game, it only bothers me when folks get disrespectful. Mind you it does add to the enjoyment of being attacked on channel 1 for the kill you just made. Nothing like agitating someone else to make yourself feel better, unintentionally of course.
Now, on the subject of HO-ing Chog, and NIKI dweebs. I have never been in a HO situation that I did not want to be in. The situation is easy to avoid and if you get killed trying to avoid it, well then, you didn’t get killed by a HO did you. A couple of barrel rolls at the right distance followed by a change in direction and the situation is avoided. I am only an average pilot with below average gunnery skills and yes, I will choose to HO if I’m packing 20 mike mike’s and in a bad situation. Somehow though, I always seem to survive it. I may be standing in the tower (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif), but I survived it.
Zippatuh
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AKDejaVu
I think you will find the P40 a poor choice of aircraft. They look good, especially with the Flying Tiger decals, but a poor fighter in ww2, and other sims.
I know this. That is why I will be entitled to criticize everyone for flying a better plane. You just wait.. EVERYONE will be uber dweebs.
AKDejaVu
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Originally posted by AKDejaVu:
I know this. That is why I will be entitled to criticize everyone for flying a better plane. You just wait.. EVERYONE will be uber dweebs.
AKDejaVu
Ahh I see. LOL, good point.
ATC
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Every one has a purpose here.
I say fly what you want, how you want.
Sax
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Yeager, others:
I was trying to make a point. There are certain things you can like offmap bombing (excuse me brady (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif) ) where it's not clear if it's behavior forseen by HTech/Pyro.
F4U1Cs are clearly in the game; it clearly has excellent guns; and it clearly isn't gaming the game to fly a F4U1c!
If you want to complain about the F4U1C, then the correct audience is HTech or Pyro, not the guy flying one.
AKcurly
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Aw heck, gonna come clean here fellas. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)This post was started about me.
AKcurly has labeled me a c-hawg whiner because I've razzed 'em a little in the arena about it. Pure clean fun. I put smileys beside the jabs if I recall correctly. And there were a total of maybe 4-5 in the span of a whole week. I thought you guys were of the quality that could laugh at it too. Apparently not.
Yesterday when I made an off-the-cuff c-hawg remark, channel 1 went nuttso with AK's demanding an apology, guess it pissed 'em off when I told 'em to go private channel with it or email me. I got into a dogfight and couldn't keep up with the buffer scrolling so fast. It was rolling with AK apology demands. I finally typed something like "email me or private message me tardos" out of pure frustration.
I haven't recieved any email, although nimitz and I did come to an understanding on private channel later last night.
Apparently Curly is still ticked. Fly what you want curly, but when you choose the easiest guns in the game, somebody (heavens forbid it won't be me again) is gonna rib you about it. You guys need to learn how to handle it better in my opinion.
See the reply pongo made above mine? He edited because it looked a little scathing, and put a nice polite answer there. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
My email is still hblair@cybrtyme.com
If the AK's want to take this out on me personally in the arena, well, that'd be cool. I'm better at air-to-air than I am at argueing.
I won't be replying to this thread again as I assume it will grow like a festering wound. I'm a CM now and won't to be involved in any beyatch-fights on the message board.
Disclaimer: There are some members of The Assassins who fly the hawg-C on occassion. Heck, I've flown it a couple times this TOD if memory serves me correctly. I just choose to fly it rarely.
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Originally posted by hblair:
Aw heck, gonna come clean here fellas. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)This post was started about me.
AKcurly has labeled me a c-hawg whiner because I've razzed 'em a little in the arena about it. Pure clean fun. I put smileys beside the jabs if I recall correctly. And there were a total of maybe 4-5 in the span of a whole week. I thought you guys were of the quality that could laugh at it too. Apparently not.
Yesterday when I made an off-the-cuff c-hawg remark, channel 1 went nuttso with AK's demanding an apology, guess it pissed 'em off when I told 'em to go private channel with it or email me. I got into a dogfight and couldn't keep up with the buffer scrolling so fast. It was rolling with AK apology demands. I finally typed something like "email me or private message me tardos" out of pure frustration.
I haven't recieved any email, although nimitz and I did come to an understanding on private channel later last night.
Apparently Curly is still ticked. Fly what you want curly, but when you choose the easiest guns in the game, somebody (heavens forbid it won't be me again) is gonna rib you about it. You guys need to learn how to handle it better in my opinion.
See the reply pongo made above mine? He edited because it looked a little scathing, and put a nice polite answer there. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
My email is still hblair@cybrtyme.com
If the AK's want to take this out on me personally in the arena, well, that'd be cool. I'm better at air-to-air than I am at argueing.
I won't be replying to this thread again as I assume it will grow like a festering wound. I'm a CM now and won't to be involved in any beyatch-fights on the message board.
Disclaimer: There are some members of The Assassins who fly the hawg-C on occassion. Heck, I've flown it a couple times this TOD if memory serves me correctly. I just choose to fly it rarely.
We are on the same page as far as the F4U-1C goes.
But I consider 'em mostly easy targets... the guys that fly 'em are so use to vulching that they dunno the first thing about actually manuevering. <G>
EDIT: But I don't care what anyone flies, nor do I care what the guys in my squad fly. It's up to them, I just know one thing.. No matter what they are in I'd never want to be on the recieving end of their guns..... even .303s.
-SW
[This message has been edited by AKSeaWulfe (edited 04-18-2001).]
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I haven't been on much this week and I had no idea that some ASSassin opened a can of worms (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/tongue.gif)
As far as valuing a person in the community...it don't mean toejam to me what you fly....it's how you act that I base my opinion.
I knew hblair since he was a 2 week target drone and KNOW he's a good guy who can take a joke.
I also know Curly from when the travelling AKcircus comes to bishland. He too is a good guy who will help anybody who needs it.
I think we are developing a sensitivity to the text buffer and crying foul wayyy to fast at times. And I also think that if ya have a problem with something go private and DEAL with it.
And now the fat lady comes out to sing........
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I believe i shot down one of the guys in this thread(i won't name names)that are complaining about the chog in this thread the other night. But with the move he pulled I don't have any sympathy for him. Here is the situation:
I went to do some Jabo work on a vehicle base with the F4u-c. After i took the base down, i circled at about 15k to protect the incoming goon from goon hunters. Sure enough, a spitfire and 190 come in coalt , and both try to HO me. I evaded the ho, did a wide non-e burning turn, and followed the spitfire. I proceded to dive on the spitfire and he pulled up into a loop. As he came into range he was facing straight up. With so much surface area to shoot at even someone with my limited gunnery skills could not miss. One short burst and he was a ball of flames. Now if your going to complain about the CHog's FM, at least fight and lose to one because it pulled some crazy non-realistic manouver. Don't complain about it when you don't even use decent ACM against it.
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Nah, I don't think Hblair is a c-hawg whiner. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif) But he's really good at making off the cuff remarks like
"I thought you guys were of the quality that could laugh at it too. Apparently not."
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"private message me tardos" out of pure frustration"
and then quickly exiting the room. Witness
the remark
"I won't be replying to this thread again as I assume it will grow like a festering wound"
Another quick exit, Hblair? (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif) Talk about frustration. The guy feels it's ok to say anything and then boogey out the door, disclaiming all responsibility.
Hblair is a quality guy -- I'm not hammering on him, honest. I've fought Hblair many times and I can truthfully report I've always learned from the encounter. If I've gotten the best of Hblair, it's always been by accident -- sneaked up on him, had too many squadmates helping and so on.
Hblair is excellent about not contributing to the channel one snowstorm. If some guy starts ragging his ass, he simply mutes the guy. He's a valued and important member of Aces High.
He's also very good at making snappy remarks, sometimes inaccurate, and then beating a speedy retreat through the door. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Hell, I'm not pissed, I'm frustrated. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif) Not it matters much, but I always enjoy Hblair's presence in the arena. He's fun to listen to and tuff as nails if you encounter him.
Hblair, it's just tough for me to listen to you make generalizations about the AKs over public comms. If you were a jerk or someone I didn't respect, I would mute you and never respond.
Ok, end of thread for me. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Akcurly