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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: Ape111 on April 20, 2002, 11:46:21 PM
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THe ME109e FM & the BOB
Something really WRONG in me109e FM , it seems a C47 , but i'llprefer the goon with a pistol to fight a spit or hurry 1 .
It doesn't coincide with my technical and historical knowledge (I saw it flying in Duxford too) of this nimble airplane.
So please HT & Pyro, make the necessary correction to the FM , now it seems a fat whale.
And that correction with the JU87 Stuka and he111 and do17, will permit to us the joy of a .....BOB really well done
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" The Me-109 was a formidable opponent for the early marks of Spitfire; its low speed handling qualities were excellent and its rate of climb matched the Spitfire. Moreover, it had a higher service ceiling and it had one other major advantage - fuel injection. This allowed the Me-109's powerplant to run flawlessly regardless of the aircraft's attitude, unlike the Rolls-Royce engines of early Spitfires, which cut out at the slightest suggestion of negative G. The Messerschmitt had its vices, too: the cockpit was very small, the heavily framed canopy restricted the pilot's field of view and the plane's narrow undercarriage made it extremely prone to ground accidents. Many of the 33,000 Me-109s produced were lost in ground accidents. "
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You must be flying a different 109e.
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Have you flown the Spitfire Mk Ia in AH? Its a pig too.
Those older aircraft just don't have the power to do "wonder manuvers".
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The roll performance is admittably "feeling" very slow, yet no data to prove it.
Searching for the web for any instances on the roll performance on 109Es and SpitIs at about 250mph... all I saw so far is a test done at 400mph which the AH 109E seems to be matching good with whoppin' 4 seconds for a 45 degrees bank.
If anyone got a roll performance stat at low speed handling please let me know.
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Both the Spit 1 and 109 E rolled slow in high speed. Took 4 seconds for both those planes to roll 45 degrees (yeah I have the spit handbook and a 109 vs spit comparison/109 handbook).
Don't find any 300mph and bellow roll speed data though, all the RAF tests say is that it is very nimble and has exelent low speed handeling. I think HT should look into it because the roll speed we have now just don't seem right when you read about it, NOWHERE is it said that the Spitfire and Hurricane could easily outroll the 109E.
As for other maneuvers it's as good and nimble as all other early planes.
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Roll rate does seem a little too slow compared other 109's with pretty much the same wing...Would 2 cannons in the wings have that much effect?...
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"Don't find any 300mph and bellow roll speed data though, all the RAF tests say is that it is very nimble and has exelent low speed handeling. I think HT should look into it because the roll speed we have now just don't seem right when you read about it, NOWHERE is it said that the Spitfire and Hurricane could easily outroll the 109E.
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Yes Wilbus ,I have same datas; moreover German and the same british pilots said the Me109 was a very nimlbe aircraft, inferior ONLY in substained turn rate with Spit mk1, but with better high altitude performances and climbing rate due to his minor weight (abt 200 kgs.)
So I concorde with you; my point of view is the 109 e FM here is too "lazy" ,it seemes really too slow in roll and with an excessive inertia.
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You can fly other 109's with 2 cannons on the wings by choosing the gondola loadout. They still roll way better than the 109E. Emil is a pig right now.
ra
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Agreed RA..
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It was my imeadiate impression that the Emil rolled like a pig and I certainly don't find it to be as nimble and the Spit Mark I. The roll rate *when I fly it* does not seem to improve at low speed either.
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The Emil had a rolling problem, practically becoming unrollable at 400 mph. The same applied with the Spitfire MkI, its canvas clad ailerons would "stretch" at high speed, leaving it practically unrollable at 400 mph.
The Spitfire turned over to metal ailerons from Mk V onwards to solve the problem. The 109F also entered with new Frise ailerons.
Funny how parallell those things were, almost at the same time.
The Hurricane however rolled just fine.