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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: DrDea on April 21, 2002, 12:33:33 AM
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tonight the hide the CV game went insane. We had a bish not only hideing a knit cv for the 2nd or 3rd day but they were hideing the cv from 42.WE OWNED THE PORT!!!!!!!!!!! This has gotten way to far outta hand.When morons hide cv's because they THINK the port is going to be taken it needs to be changed.All I hear is tactical tactical tactical.Thats roadkill.Its a few bishops calling the ball for the entire side.We cant defend a port because the cv is 7 sectors away burried in a corner that took at least 4 hours to drive it there.Please do something about the CV situations.Make them revert to the owning team after 2 hours or something.This crap by a few is taking the fun out of this game.:confused:
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I hate to open up that can of worms again, but CV hiding is roadkill.
- Every CV has a port
- If a CV is sunk, the port can rebuild a new one in 15 minutes
- Should the port be taken, the carrier group no longer has the support of those HUGE resources
I say that if a port is taken, and the country doesn't already have a CV attached to that port, the port should build a new one in 15-30 minutes. Also, if the port supporting a CV is captured, that country has 1 hour to get that port back before the group is scuttled from lack of support.
I realize that this means that at any time, there could be 3 CVs operating out of one port (wouldn't that be an AMAZING naval engagement?!?), but this seems like a fair way to handle the problem. CV hiding just takes a lot of fun out of the game. It'd be nice if there was some incentive to HOLDING an enemy port.
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Rude............... definite whine of the week here.......:D :D :D :D :D
charlieB
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I think it's a good move
don't forget everone will get banged in the SE corner
This tacticalmove balanced it somehow
WTG bish we are the kings off the SE corner :D
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Make every operational (e.g. main structures up) port build a new cv every 2 hours, regardless if there's one or more already.
That way there could be an infinite number of cvs, but nme players would surely prevent that ;)
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I think I have come full circle here. When this first all started hapening, I hated it. I gave up locates everytime to the enemy so that they could find and sink it. I drove it back into action ... I did it all.
But ....
I think it's a good move
don't forget everone will get banged in the SE corner
This tacticalmove balanced it somehow
WTG bish we are the kings off the SE corner
I couldnt agree more :D
GIVE 'EM HELL BISH!!!!!!!!!
Nim
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Looks like I have some work to do in Bishland.
...just gaming the game; nothing more ;)
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a solution to this should be found
The last time I tried to hide a fleet a fellow teammate went on channel 1 announcing the fleet's course. Of course before the fleet had time to get very far.
Either we all do it or noone has the ability to do so, the latter being the simplest to implemement.
SKurj
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how can you "hide" a CV in the game? just send out scouts like they did in real life. you don't even have to see it, the CV gives it's pos away with flack. when you find it , launch a "sink the bismark" raid to sink it, sounds like "fun" to me.
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hmm flying over hour to try to find cv.... Naah; I rather change country and start spying those dweebs :)
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oh does it John...
You want to fly for over an hour probably close to 2 hours having to gain alt before u move over enemy territory trying to reach the target? Nevermind that the 262's will come a looking for you.
Alone you don't stand a chance unless the enema is asleep.. and what if you miss with your one chance?
Take friends... how many will it take to ensure you get 8k on the cv? Can you find that many people willing to be bored for an hour and then pissed off when they get shot down after an hour of boredom?
Its not worth it, and hardly fun
SKurj
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Originally posted by DrDea
We had a bish
who was me...
WE OWNED THE PORT!!!!!!!!!!![/B]
which was lost in about 20 minutes after Dea tried to put it in action...
Its a few bishops calling the ball for the entire side.
as I told it is more than few bishops, rooks or nits, it is very different oppinions about fleet hiding, some hate it, some like it, some do not care.
We cant defend a port because the cv is 7 sectors away burried in a corner that took at least 4 hours to drive it there.
how about logic? This fleet was close to port when port was captured, so fleet close to port do not save fleet and port sometimes?
Please do something about the CV situations.Make them revert to the owning team after 2 hours or something.This crap by a few is taking the fun out of this game.:confused:
using words like "roadkill" and "crap" makes your point much less constructive, turning it into a whine.
Problem exist though, if you return fleet (which I did before), or hide it (which I do now) you get problems. One of this problems is that there is no rule everyone follows, for example rooks had our fleet hidden 2 days on the very same map just few days ago.
Second one is personal. When I hide fleet I get private or public assaults, critics etc. Funny that when I return fleet I get privated or public assaults, critics etc. If I wash my hand I get privates asking me to get fleet and hide fleet, or get fleet and return it. If I reject people are offended again. Whatever happens I get a head acke.
As I posted before I have chosen my position, I will hide fleets when I am online. If you want fleet, up raid, and get it. I will try to defend it though.
I hope HTC will do something about this problem, like fleet returning to captured port in several hours, which can solve the problem fast. Till that rooks and nits fleets which are captured by bishops will be hidden if situation requires so, and if I will have enough rating to do so.
Fariz
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In that case don't start squeaking if I swap to the bishes and start giving information about your strikes.
Who ever makes decision to hide a fleet should also know it will affect his country just like it does to country who owns the port ;)
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Originally posted by Staga
In that case don't start squeaking if I swap to the bishes and start giving information about your strikes.
Who ever makes decision to hide a fleet should also know it will affect his country just like it does to country who owns the port ;)
"Next time anyone will kill acks on our field, I will go and drink all beer in his fridge"...
"Next time anyone will shot me down in my plane I will go and kill his cat"...
Fariz
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Ya know Fariz Im gonna give you credit where its due.You put together the most outstanding missions I have EVER had the pleasure to take part in.When you fly a mission people know its going to be 75% positive.Youve pretty much earned the rateing you have in my book.
What you havnt earned is the right to hide a cv we hold the port to.That cv was 6 to 7 sectors away from the port.How long exactly was this port under attack and if it took them 3 to 4 hours to take it dont you think that cv could have made a diffrence,if not THE difference?Ive resigned myself to the fact people will hide the cv's to rook or Knit ports..What I have a problem with is hideing a cv to the port we own.Thats just a bit to much paranoia for an online game.NO one should have the ability to force there desires on a country to make that much of a diffrence.We cant put it to a vote so ya have to use common scence here.Not everyone flys for hours on end.With a plan that you set up hours in advance.I get a few hours here and there.Like I said.I would fly every mission you ran,but why should I have to fly your way OUT of a mission?
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Fariz if you like to play "hide'n'seek" with carriers I can't see any reason why I shouldn't play this game with your rules, i.e no rules at all. Just gaming the game.
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this happens more in island map than in any other...
this is one of the quickest turn over maps we have...whats the point in hidding the cv...this is one of the reasons i left the bishops side almost a year ago.. it is very sad they are still doing this, or more so the people who are doing this are very sad.. i call upon any person on any side to out the players doing this...:)
still a great game with out cvs but 4 more per side would be good
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Originally posted by Staga
Fariz if you like to play "hide'n'seek" with carriers I can't see any reason why I shouldn't play this game with your rules, i.e no rules at all. Just gaming the game.
Tried to show you where your logic is wrong. Will try one more time.
Bombing fighters hangar ruins game for many, I can't see any reason why I shouldn't switch and give away position of Lancs.
If you looked at me bad it annoys me, I can't see any reason why I shouldn't get my gun and put your head away.
Need more examples of the logic you using, or it is enough?
Fariz
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Originally posted by DrDea
We cant put it to a vote so ya have to use common scence here.Not everyone flys for hours on end.With a plan that you set up hours in advance.I get a few hours here and there.Like I said.I would fly every mission you ran,but why should I have to fly your way OUT of a mission?
I see common "scence" in this thread, count number of people who support hidding, and against it in this very thread. Count number of people who posted here, and you will know how many people do not care at all.
Yes, absolutly agree, you should not fly my way OUT of a mission. But may be you will agree, that I should not play YOUR way out of a mission? If you do not want to follow my way, great. But why you became agressive when I do not want to follow yours?
My last post on fleet hidding problem. The problem is getting really old.
Fariz
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Originally posted by Fariz
I see common "scence" in this thread, count number of people who support hidding, and against it in this very thread. Count number of people who posted here, and you will know how many people do not care at all.
Yes, absolutly agree, you should not fly my way OUT of a mission. But may be you will agree, that I should not play YOUR way out of a mission? If you do not want to follow my way, great. But why you became agressive when I do not want to follow yours?
My last post on fleet hidding problem. The problem is getting really old.
Fariz
Ah but those people are only in favor hiding the CV when it's thier country doing the hiding and one of the other countries trying to find it. Hence I am a proud member of the "Find the CV Network". I won't hesitate to give the location of a CV the rooks are trying to hide. I'll take command of it and send it into action if I can. We've got it, that's a flight deck and big guns we can use.
I hope HTC will do something about this problem, like fleet returning to captured port in several hours, which can solve the problem fast. Till that rooks and nits fleets which are captured by bishops will be hidden if situation requires so, and if I will have enough rating to do so.
Here's another solution: Just don't mess with the fleets unless you're using one for an operation/mission.
But you won't. And we both know why.
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lets reduce time between side switches to 10 mins? +)
now that would solve the prob to some degree
serious!
SKurj
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I see common "scence" in this thread, count number of people who support hidding, and against it in this very thread. Count number of people who posted here, and you will know how many people do not care at all.
I have not posted to this thread, whats my opinion? Does this mean I don't care? I have already posted my opinion and don't care to keep repeating it. (rant on poles = 0)
I would like to see CVs limited to the map area. Hiding a CV on the map should be fair play, moving it off the map should not.
Gunner
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I thought HT already made it so you couldn't set waypoints for the CV off the map...or was I just imagining that (that's entirely possible :))?
SOB
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Bish reset from the SE corner?? WTFG Bish!!
Nits and Rooks are just ticked that the mighty Bishlandian Navy was twice the size of there's combined.:D
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Fariz let's go even deeper in this case and see what your motives were/are:
Q: Why to hide enemy fleet?
A: To have advantage over your enemy.
IMHO game should be fair but looks like you don't agree.
I have no problem with that, do what you want to do but please; don't be surprised if others also search ways to get an advantage over your country.
If you looked at me bad it annoys me, I can't see any reason why I shouldn't get my gun and put your head away.
-I don't know what kind of laws are in the country you living in. There's two things which are guiding my behaviour: Laws and common sense.
There's no law against spitting to the floor but common sense says it's not desireable.
Tried to show you where your logic is wrong. Will try one more time.
Bombing fighters hangar ruins game for many, I can't see any reason why I shouldn't switch and give away position of Lancs.
-Hangars will be as good as new in shorter time than what it takes from bomber to climb to 10k. How long did it take from Knights to get CV back? Two days? Did knights get it back at all ?
Bottom line:
IMHO people who are hiding enemy carriers are "gaming the Game". No problem with that; I'll adapt :)
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Staga..
Not absolutely positive but I think Fariz maybe saying that he will hide the fleets until HTC steps in and does something about it...
So lets keep screaming about it!!
Just wish other knits would see the sense of that and not squeal when i try hide one!!
SKurj
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Originally posted by SKurj
Staga..
Not absolutely positive but I think Fariz maybe saying that he will hide the fleets until HTC steps in and does something about it...
So we are again in the situation where HTC might need to change the code 'cause of players behaviour? (Read:Off-Map bombers).
Personally I would like to see a new plane instead....
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I donno, here is my take on the CV hiding issue...
I view a CV as an offensive weapon, so while I agree that hiding a CV with the current AH as a game is a viable tactic, hiding it is a waste of resource. Use it. Get two CV task forces side by side. It will be more fun that way :D
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So basicly "do what you want to do" rules apply?Would that cover someone trying to play a benidict arnold role and squeal on all cv's in a countries possetion because thats the way they wanted to play? Or does ruining it for the majority to stroke your ego sound more like some kid fresh out of an AOHELL chatroom who just spewed out AGE SEX LOCATION 300 times in one room?
Taking as many eggs as a cv does in the Isles map,this is just rediculous.Thank God Ad Halsy wasnt a popsicle.Midway would have turned out diffrently.Hows that for tactical
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I thought HT already made it so you couldn't set waypoints for the CV off the map...or was I just imagining that (that's entirely possible )?
I didn't know that SOB, Thanks. Then... I don't have a problem with hiding CVs... so let them run and hide :)
Gunner
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in my opinion i say if you take the time to kill a port and then
kill the cv. you should then use that cv as a weapon. it should
not matter that it COULD be retaken, just use it till it does.
if you have no intention of using it as a weapon, then dont
take command of it in the first place
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1- I spent an hour lookin for an MIA bish CV about a month ago, I had the points for 262 & thought it be fun to go find it & hunt NME buffs same time- it was. When i found it i called out location for bout 15 minutes till i got help to kill it, we then went on to take map in usual bish fashion. That was my first dealing with the "hide the CV" game.
2-I have no doubt that hiding those CVs helped Bish win the ndisle map from the dreaded s/e corner (has any other country ever done that? & isint this bish 3rd time?).
3-So im saying ill hide the CV cause I know someone in your country would do the same..... war is hell
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I for one am totally against the hiding of cv's because they are not in the game to not be used. If that was the case then they would not have even created them.. I believe that someone telling the whereaboutsof the cv is that someone's perogative just as much as the ahole who hides the cv's in the first place. They are an asset which should be used to help the war not something to be pushed to the side.
HTC please fix this problem so we can actually use our cv's to fight the war not hide from it....
tically2
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4- of course since the CV group was designed to be used & not hid, it seems that this is a part of the game that does not strive for realism & does therefore seem out of place in AH. ( i cant recall any historical carrier missions where the objective was to hide ;)
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Would this be a good time to suggest perking the N1k?
:D
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lol no Mazz:)
if you perk the nik i will never get any kills!!:confused:
i can say that i have a number of times told the location of CVs
i think that cv hidding is one of the lowest things that can be done in the game.
cv battles are some of the best fights i have had.
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i personally do not see the big deal with hiding cv's. i have flown with the bishops for over 18 months now, and i find that eac hcountry is responsible for hiding cv's. i have found a simple awnser to this, find the cv and kill it. it really is not that hard. just grab a couple squaddies or fellow countrymen in some hvy jabo fiters and head out and turn the cv into a dive site. i know i have done it many times, and probably many more to come. an easy solution to this great dilemma some seem to think of it. its a game, a game of war, there are no rules or fair ways to play. i think it is a great, defensive tactical move
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Originally posted by NHattila
its a game, a game of war, there are no rules or fair ways to play. i think it is a great, defensive tactical move
So it's O.K if I switch to your side and announce every missions taking off etc ?
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Originally posted by Staga
So it's O.K if I switch to your side and announce every missions taking off etc ?
If that is how you want to spend your time in the game then nobody can stop you. Its your money, buddy. But what does that have to do with hiding fleets?
I personally love it when my side has a fleet hidden. It attracts all kinds of perk bombers and stuff to shoot down. Especially when somebody tells the other side where it is. All you do then is jump in a G10 and start climbing til your nose starts bleeding and then throttle back and wait til the Arados start showing up. Its like a turkey shoot I tell ya.
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War had spies.If ya want to swap sides to see whats going on I say go for it since this hide and go seek looks like its here to gay....I mean stay.No I dont.Its gay.The unfortunate side effect will be of course when finding where YOUR cv is you will also see where OUR cv's are.I suppose some are willing to see that happen so they can pull there power plays.Thank God I never developed an Ego in these games.I always played cause it was fun.:rolleyes:
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Guys,
Just think how great it would be if there was a similar limit of planes per base like there is with CV:s per port. Just before the enemy captures the base we could fly all the planes into some far corner and they could not fly from the captured base at all... Each country could hide all their planes and GVs as far as possible from the enemies and just sit in their towers and throw taunts at each other...
... WOULDN'T THAT BE GREAT!!!!
Really.. it is very childish to hide the CVs... kind of like running home to mom with the ball so that other's cannot play.
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Originally posted by sling322
I personally love it when my side has a fleet hidden. It attracts all kinds of perk bombers and stuff to shoot down. Especially when somebody tells the other side where it is. All you do then is jump in a G10 and start climbing til your nose starts bleeding and then throttle back and wait til the Arados start showing up. Its like a turkey shoot I tell ya.
OH YESSSSSS.. Clubbing baby seals when they come desperately after hidden food is a GREAT sport. Why bother fighting when one can pick on helpless targets without any risk.
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Fariz is usually good with CV's for strategy.If you have a good reason for moving a CV tell the person who keeps taking command from you what you are doing and I'll bet he'll give it to you depending on siuation....Hiding eme cv's(nme has port) is strat on isle map...Friendly cv's should not be tucked 7 sectors into corner and but moving them away is good gamplay..It's all in the timing and sometimes u get burned(and almost always blamed for a cv loss)..Btw,If you are holding controll of a cv,it's a good idea to cap it and not be flying on the other end of the map or it is your fault if a lanc does an easy kill from 20k...
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The CV itself is the gamey part. Unlimited ammo, fuel and planes. If you limit the amount of planes that are available on CV it would force them back into port to resupply. A resupply of planes by LTVs would force them to go to nearest friendly base to get the resupply quickly. Say 100 plane limit with a full reload at port or 25 planes per LTV. That would stop the hiding of CVs.
ET
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"Say 100 plane limit with a full reload at port or 25 planes per LTV. That would stop the hiding of CVs. "
I beg to differ.The ones being hidden arent doing anything so they dont need resuplied.There just sitting there.Its kinda like Benching Michael Jordon.It just BEING in the game can make a diffrence.But not if its not playing.I know crappy anology,but if you own the port,and your hideing the cv that far from it your going defensive and forcing alot of people to fly farther to hold the port.When your fighting GV's at your port,a cv can turn the tide.Hideing enemy cv's is just causeing everyone to do it,kinda like a mob mentality."There doing it and so will we" If one country refuses to hide these CV's and makes a stand on it,HT wouldnt have to bother with something like this.But someone has to do it first.When we hide a cv we own......I can see Bish arent gonna set any standards.Sad thing.:(
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A lot of people are complaining that HT ought to be the one to do something about this problem. My question for all of you is, what would you have him do? Can anyone provide a realistically acheivable way of keeping someone from moving the CV to a part of the map that isn't under attack? HT isn't on all the time, so he can't constantly be booting that person from control of the fleet, and while I don't know much about coding, I can imagine it would be damn near impossible to program it into the game. So without an arguement about whether CV's should be hidden or not, can anyone think of a way for HT to actually stop it from happening?
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The obvious choice would be to have the CV revert to the owners of the port after a given amount of time.I have no clue as to the codeing but it would seem to be a minor fix.Say an hour after the port is taken,it reverts to the new owners.If its retaken before then the clock resets.
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Howabout this:
I like more that earlier idea that country which got enemy's CV can keep it 'till they lose it and country which re-captured their port back can get a another cv from port.
If spawning another CV from re-captured port would take hour or two it would also give enemy some benefit for their work to keep "captured" CV alive so dweebs who get their kicks from hiding fleets could still enjoy their hobby.
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Dont see that happening.I see this just being ignored.Its a matter of those with the score running things the way they want and face it.What can ya really do.Those thinking 8 hours in advance will allways outweigh those looking for a few bases taken and just good old fashion fun.Seems its not fun unless you get the reset to some.Maby there arent napolian ego types in the CA.