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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: MrLars on April 18, 2001, 05:42:00 PM
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...a bad connect?
I've seen opponents do that little dance, ya know when the bogies plane twist, turn and flop around just before zooming off at full speed in a compleatley different direction than they were traveling? Seems this is happening a lot more these days :/
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Lars
***MOL***
Men Of Leisure
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I've seen is to MrLars. More than remember in the past. It may have something to do with larger numbers in the arena.
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CO - 111th Fighter Group
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no, thats afterburners (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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Well, just recently I witnessed for the first time the so called flop-flop-move. I was chasing a Tempest at high speed in my chog at distance of 900 yards and I was gaining. Then the Tempest nosed up a little and sort of like uh... flopped and in the next second was coming almost straight at me and flew over my head. The plane didn't reverse fully though, only partially but it was damn close to a straight head on situation.
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there is no stick stirring in AH . if you do it you'll get
"Don't move your controls so rapidly" Message and your controls will be frozen for a few secs..
Sometimes you get funny behavior of A/C when they do maximum performance rolls (especiallly FWs and F4Us because they roll the fastest) and your Front End can not keep track of the other A/Cs position.. that looks quite erratic sometimes..
DW6
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No stick stirring in AH eh? I wouldn't be so sure of that...
I saw some quality stick stirring tonight myself from a Typhoon. (Not the first time from this particular typhoon do this either. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/frown.gif) ) I never mention names on the BBS, but I'm sure many of you know who I'm talking about.
This particular typhoon would roll 180 degrees in less than 1 second in evasives, then he would jump up and down by about 100 ft at a time, often times hitting the ground on my FE. He didn't take any damage either. Basically he was trying to get me to fly near an ostie of his and running rather than fighting. The ostie got me, but not until after my guns found their mark. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
I sincerely hope the pilot in question is not cheating. He is in a highly reputable squad and should not need to resort to gaming the game to get kills. Regardless I now have 3 films of fights with him, and every one has something highly odd. I'm just trying to decide what to do with them...
(I won't name names on the BBS. I've seen what that invariably results in. If he or his squad CO wish to see the films, I can e-mail them. I would like to hear their side of the story.)
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bloom25
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(Formerly of the)
THUNDERBIRDS
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Bloom, i hope you aint talking about who i think you are. If it is then he does not employ any cheat tactics in any form.
Most likely lost or slow arriving packets or some kinda glitch like that.
If you are talkin about who i think you are, i'd love to see the films.
Spat.
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Well, I hope you are not thinking about who he is thinking he is, because if that was so, I'd be thinking that you were thinking about who he was thinking he was.
Back to bed.
Daniel, aka CyranoDB
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I have seen this strange behaviour as well.While we were defending a field from capture,there was bombers attacking it.While I was lining up for a shoot,the plane suddenly warped from 400d to 5.2k!WTF I thought.Soon it turned back and same happened!Also the C47's that tried to goon the field did same thing.They warped in,dropped goons and warped out!I think this has to do with net lag,but hey pretty convenient warps to avoid destruction.This was witnessed by several pilots defending the field.
Enemy fighters did not warp this way though.I haven't seen behaviour like this before and not after that in such large scale.Gotta get the film viewed so You can't flame me of talking crap here.
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DB603
3.Lentue
Lentolaivue 34 (http://www.muodos.fi/LLv34/)
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bloom25, I've seen the effect you describe several times and, curiously, always done by Typhoons. Dont remember if the same pilot was involved into all the cases, but same plane type for sure. I havent seem the same effect with 190s, supposedly with better roll rate than Typh. I think it is a poor connection related problem but, anyway, IMO Typh roll rate is way exagerated in AH while 109 roll rate (even at lo-med speeds) is way ...
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I've seen it done by 1 pilot in a Typhoon on more than one occasion. Don't he howl when ya kill him doin it (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
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and he shoots BACKWARDS TOO! !!!
Yahhoooo let the hunt begin (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/rolleyes.gif)
Seriously .. 99% of this is netlag / variance and position updates not coming thru at high G (lottsa position/attitude change) situations.
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Real bad connects for me last night, rare, but they were there...
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Heh some guys ALWAYS do it duckwng, with no exceptions (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
(http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
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Von Santa
Staffelkapitän 9./JG 54 "Grünherz"
"If you return from a mission with a victory, but without your Rottenflieger, you have lost your battle."
- D. Hrabak, JG 54 "Grünherz"
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i see a little of this in AH but to put it in perspective... the worst warp rolls/micro warps in AH wouldn't even be noticiable in WB when I was there.
lazs
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Good rudder control can do wonderful things in AH (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/rolleyes.gif)
Flop you see is lag.
And IMO the planes in WB's fly like they are missing an elevator and aileron.
[This message has been edited by Manedew (edited 04-19-2001).]
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Originally posted by Ripsnort:
Real bad connects for me last night, rare, but they were there...
I know what you mean Rip....my DSL is usually solid as a rock, but last nite I had about 5 or 6 disco's.
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Originally posted by bloom25:
No stick stirring in AH eh? I wouldn't be so sure of that...
I saw some quality stick stirring tonight myself from a Typhoon.
This particular typhoon would roll 180 degrees in less than 1 second in evasives, then he would jump up and down by about 100 ft at a time, often times hitting the ground on my FE. He didn't take any damage either.
I was there & saw the same Typhoon, definately was pulling some wild manuevers.
BgMAW
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I was abducted by aliens flying black helicopters with warp drives.
<sigh>
Do any of you know how hard it would be to hack game code that's server side?
If I could do that...you think I'd actually waste my time hacking AH? HELL NO!!! Can you say "Online Casino's?"
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Manedew is right - the secret to getting faster rolls in the tiffie is proper use of rudder.
Dunno bout the effectiveness of stick-stirring. While the code is there it definitely goes on. Me, whenever I try hard evasives I always end up dying.
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Tiffies are spit food (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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Basically people have figured out that some maneuvers look really warpy to the other guy because of net lag. So they do these maneuvers over and over when they get in trouble. It's not really stick stirring, it's just taking advantage (knowingly or unknowingly) of one of the fundamental problems of online gaming. It just worries me that guys never learn real ACM because they find a gamey tactic that works and they stick with it.
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I know what lag looks like in AH. This is pure gaming the game IMO. It doesn't take any skill to flop the plane around like a tuna.
I can see it now:
AH players join the USAF. Here is the conversation.
USAF pilot 1: AH vet, break right, bogey on your 6!
AH vet: Don't worry, I'll just flop around like a fish and fly through the terrain and he'll never be able to kill me. If that fails, I'll drag to my osties. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
USAF pilot 1: Uh, ok...
(http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
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bloom25
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Originally posted by paintmaw:
Tiffies are spit food (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Tour 14:
Vulcy has 41 Kills of Spitfire Mk IX 11 Deaths by Spitfire Mk IX
and 21 Kills of SpitV 3 Deaths by SpitV
and 6 Kills of SeaFire 0 Deaths by SeaFire
Just think yourself lucky you fly nit spitboy (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
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YOU may be the lucky one
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Well I got caught taking off in an FW and immediately went to scissors (2 second intervals)to evade guns and perhaps cause an over shoot.
There was an implication that I was trying to "stick stir". I have no clue what the aggressor saw on his FE, but it's pretty bad if you can't use a legitimate manouver - especially when your a/c excells at it without this being considered improper conduct.
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I delivered that wrong Kats...text buffer and time..if I had the time to type it that day, it would have been "That kind of evasive would have caused a warp roll in Warbirds"...we already spoke about this on that day, you still feeling like I dis'd ya?
Sorry, bad delivery on my part.
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Not at all rip. My point is that *if* this type of manouvering looks bad on someone elses FE, it would be a shame.
I'm glad to hear it doesn't. I guess it's more a product of someone's conx. The "warp rolling" in WB was a very distinct visual, I have not seen anything like this in AH.