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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: Sabre on April 25, 2002, 04:50:52 PM
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Yeah, baby!
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You guys had to see this coming when you saw two Wildcats, right? ;)
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dude, I even have my testicles crossed as I hope the next one will be a green 38F :)
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Originally posted by Tac
dude, I even have my testicles crossed as I hope the next one will be a green 38F :)
TMI :eek:
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agreed!
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Please make the next one an Oscar:cool:
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We need a Kate, Val, SBD, and TBD to go with that Zero and the F4F.
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A6M2:
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Funny, it made me think of a P-40E! Painted just like the P-40Ns in Pearl Harbor!
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S!
Yes, A6M2 will go boom real nice...
But if it`s matched up against historical opponents in the CT and in Scenarios, then it won`t be such an easy kill... ;)
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Very nice and thank you HTC! :) Now bring on the Val. :D
Nothing beats teaching the basic ACM to newbies like the slow motion and forgiving Val in 1 Vs 1 duels. :cool:
OK, That’s how Ghosth and Dracer helped me years ago. But, Heck folks, it was always fun to slow the pace a frog-hair and just duel in the Vals. ;)
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Absolutely awesome... That's the plane that started my whole obsession with WWII aircraft (and aircraft in general). I remember my teachers in elementary school used to get pissed at me cause every creative writing assignment I got ended up being about zeros. They even tried giving me a topic, but I would still warp it into being about zeros somehow :D.
Anyways.... WTG HTC! K/D be damned... gonna fly that one a lot.
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We Need a biwinger next to outturn the new zero:D :D
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Originally posted by Tac
dude, I even have my testicles crossed as I hope the next one will be a green 38F :)
Thats gonna hurt holding that position for that length of time.
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US Order of Battle at Midway (http://www.microworks.net/pacific/orders_of_battle/midway_usa.htm )
Japanese Order of Battle at Midway (http://www.microworks.net/pacific/orders_of_battle/midway_japan.htm)
all most time
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How does this one compare to the Zeke we already have?
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Slower, more maneuverable, lower ammo load, perhaps better climb (not sure).
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In addition, I believe the 20mm cannon in the A6M2 fires at a slower rate than the ones in the A6M5.
Now, the A6M3 would also be interesting. It had clipped wings and so a faster roll rate, and I think it had those faster-firing cannon, too.
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Originally posted by cajun
We Need a biwinger next to outturn the new zero:D :D
hehe...that would be fun! Maybe a Swordfish? ;)
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The New Zero is more than a match for any of it's historical counterparts, Wildcat,P 40, Huricane....
The cannon on the New Zero is the 20mm Type 99 model 1, it was a lower MV of the Type 99 II in the Zero we already have ( same cannon as in the N1K2-J Type 99 model II) yet it fires the same projectile, so it will hit as hard. The reasion being that the Japanes almost always fired predominately HEI rounds in their guns, even their rifle calber guns.
BTW I sinceraly hope they do not model a kate or a val, I would rather see a Grace than either of those too, howeaver if they do all three it would be cool.:)
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Originally posted by Ozark
hehe...that would be fun! Maybe a Swordfish? ;)
Yes I REALLY WANT a Sword fish and a Gladiator!!!
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BTW I sinceraly hope they do not model a kate or a val, I would rather see a Grace than either of those too, howeaver if they do all three it would be cool.
have you gone insane? :)
think of all the previous set ups where japan has used the tbm as a sub.
Ofcourse we want a kate and a val and a judy and grace and ki43 and ki84 and whole bunch of others.
I hate using substitute aircraft in events and ct
model every plane between 1930 to 1946 :)
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Yay!! Saburo Sakai's A6M2. That's the right color scheme for sure.
Originally posted by brady:
The cannon on the New Zero is the 20mm Type 99 model 1, it was a lower MV of the Type 99 II in the Zero we already have ( same cannon as in the N1K2-J Type 99 model II) yet it fires the same projectile, so it will hit as hard. The reasion being that the Japanes almost always fired predominately HEI rounds in their guns, even their rifle calber guns.
This is not all true. The Type 99 I and Type 99 II do not use the same ammo.
The Type 99 I has a metric calibre of 20 x 72RB. The muzzle velocity is 550-600 meters per second.
The Type 99 II has a metric calibre of 20 x 101RB. The muzzle velocity is 750 meters per second.
Essentially the Type 99 I is the same gun as the MG/FF on the Bf109E-4. They have nearly identical ballistics and are both limited to 60 rounds do to their drum feed mechanism. Both the MG/FF and Type 99 I are heavily based on the Oerlikon FF.
The Type 99 II was based on the Oerlikon FFL, which also allows the A6M5 and N1K2 to have much greater ammo supplies due to its belt feed mechanism.
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Pyro, SUPERFLY! Ki-61-I-Otsu (Ki-61-I-b) please! :(
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Kewl plane! :)
I love it when HTC adds more targets to the arena menu! :D
The Zeke is a challenging target, unless of course you drop your speed, then you become the target! But that is true of any plane :) Ya know, get low, get slow, get dead! LOL! :D
Those Zekes sure are pretty though! :)
AKEagle+
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Just wait till we get a biwinger that can outturn a zeke :eek: :D
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BOOIIINNNGGGG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
eskimo
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PLEEEASE DON'T FORGET KAWASAKI AND NAKAJIMA!!!
:D
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i can see it coming ...midway,leyte, guadacanal, mariannas, coral sea...........i need to practice my CV ops
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Thank you Hitech fer the planes,
I can smell my P-40 getttin' closer and closer. *sniff**sniff* Hummm maybe i need a shower. But never the less i feel the Warhawk cometh'
Piss on the Helldriver
The Dauntless was better
One more Zeke, WooHoo
The more the merrier!
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Hmm... would be nice if we had a place to use all these early war planes in theh MA eh?
lazs
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Yah, I tried a Zeke in a low number MA late night tonight.
I felt like Ripsnore's child on summer vacation. His Dad's off to hoopty M3 race at a con in Texas and bored to toejam, except I got shot down quickly by a Lance.
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yeah just like our regular A6M5 except that they go up in flames if you rub a balloon on em too quickly.
The only place they will be used is the CT where they will be mind numbingly boring. CT numbers will jump into the 60's till everyone gets their new plane fix and realizes they are doing the same fight against the same tactics using the same tactics every single time.
lazs
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Can also be used in Scenarios, H2H, LAN . . .
Jordi
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CT numbers will jump into the 60's till everyone gets their new plane fix and realizes they are doing the same fight against the same tactics using the same tactics every single time.
...which differs from the MA how?
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Originally posted by lazs2
Hmm... would be nice if we had a place to use all these early war planes in theh MA eh?
lazs
They are thinking more of scenarios when they are modeling these AC Laz's. These AC are submissions that scenario planners are asking for. However I am not saying that your idea does not have merit IMO.
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Originally posted by Kieran
...which differs from the MA how?
Although I'm certainly not speaking for lazs, I can voice my own interpretation.
In this example, the pilots use the aircraft of choice within it's designed strength, ie., don't TnB with an F4U1D or BnZ with a Zeke.
Pac setup. You're flying allied. Here comes a zeke. You make your manuvers against a zeke, he does his against an F4U1D.
Here comes an N1K. Same.
Here comes a zeke. Same.
MA setup. You're flying (insert choice). Here comes a spit. Make manuvers to combat said spit.
Here comes a P51D. Change tactics to combat said A/C.
Here comes a 109G2. Change tactics again.
I'm aware of the arguments that all most fight are spits and La7's in the MA. Granted, there are alot of them, but just looking at my stats, I kill other A/C as well. I think if most are honest, they do to. Also, most are prone to seek what is easiest for them to kill which can skew stats as well.
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Now when do we get the Soryu or Akagi?
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Here's my point; the MA has pretty much hit equlibrium in terms of what is "new" or "different". Sure, you have more planes from which to select and fight, but it still comes down to "this is the 500th time I've fought a 109 in this plane. Here's what I need to do." In the strictest sense it is variety, but in the broader sense it isn't, because gameplay itself is essentially unchanged.
In this respect, the CT is no less varied than the MA.
No, the thing that is beginning to irk me is the continued harrassment of the CT. Honestly, I'm beginning to hope the Lazs idea gets implemented more because I want to see crickets chirping simulated than I do to see something new for people to try. I feel bad about that, because I really am for variety for all people and playing styles, and recognize that isn't going to happen as fast as we want unless people contribute. Continuously ragging on the efforts of others is counterproductive to that end, and we wind up with less.
What happens is this thread gets hijacked into another cut on the CT for the benefit of the "Area Arena" concept. Starting to sound like Gore and his "Lock Box".
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I agree on on the hijack and we should continue this elsewhere.
Having said that, I disagree somewhat with your theory of the MA. Granted, you and I may have fought a 109 500 hundred times and we handle them the same, but carrying that into an axis v allied setup, then we are well over 500 against the 109. At least in an MA setup, I may not run into a 109 tonight. I may tomorrow night, but just not tonight.
Don't get me wrong, I like scenarios. Yes, axis and allied. I would also enjoy some romps in the CT from time to time but darn I wish the numbers would come up. It may just be the times I log on but there are never enough in there for me.
BTW, heya :).
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Grabs the Lock Box and runs for it! Hee Hee:D "It's mine ya hear me! MINE ALL MINE!!"Muhahahahah
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kieran.. if you have fought the same plane 500 times then grab another and try it or .... even the same plane. Are you saying that you have killed every plane in every plane 500 times? Have you then been in every 2 vs 2 fight combo possible 500 times?? How bout 1 vs 3?? 3 vs 3?? How many combos is 6 vs 6??
What apache said is true... If you fight hisstorical planes then you will have to only deal with what that country thought was important.. every plane you face will act the same just better or worse at what it does. Every plane you fly with will also act the same. A jap plane is a jap plane.. A german plane is a german plane. figuring out degree is pretty simple. simple gets boring for a lot of folk.
What I am wondering is... for those of us who have no use for the Ct or scenarios then what we have is essentialy a bunch of really neat planes that we would love to try with no place to try em.
When the uber planes that a lot of people don't care about come out then we seem to figrure out a way that they can be used in the MA. I don't see them attracting people in droves to the "free perk plane arenas" at all.
As I see it... you guys are telling me that that about a dozen of the most significant and interesting (and fun) planes of WWII simply have no place in out most popular arena.. So I say.... So far... for about 400 people in prime time... it is just wasted effort to model em.
lazs
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I was being hypberbolic, but you win. I have no energy to continue the debate. Nothing changes.
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Originally posted by lazs2
What I am wondering is... for those of us who have no use for the Ct or scenarios then what we have is essentialy a bunch of really neat planes that we would love to try with no place to try em.
lazs
Yep, it seems they are leaving you non-scenario people out of their descision process. They are thinking about those folks that like scenarios. However you (and those others) are will still be free to use those early war AC as you see fit in a late war dominate MA.
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1 way to balence the early war planes (and model planes) in the MA would be to give em a bigger ENY value, I don't know what perk points or eny is set to in MA any more, I havnt played there since early september when i first got AH but I'm thinking of singing up again if they would just add a biwinger or 2 :)
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kieran... if I am wrong in theory then if should be childs play to point out where. If I am wrong in practice then the arenas would/should look much different. perhaps it is the hyperbole that is wearing you out?
lazs
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I think the J2F duck and the swordfish would be good but imagine
The Sproose Goose!!!
That thing would be damn hard to get the thing 2' off the sea!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!