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General Forums => Aircraft and Vehicles => Topic started by: Sky Viper on April 25, 2002, 07:08:02 PM
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More US Iron. Well, at least it's early war era.
Thanks for the A6M2, but there are so many more valuable IJN planes not in the set!
I used to defend HT and the gang when folks said that they were US/Allied Iron Bias'd.
I won't be doing that any more. Unfortunately they appear even more bias than ever.
What's even worse is that HTC doesn't even seem to be listening to our desires now. P40 for instance has had more requests than any others that I've seen.
Sky Viper
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we need the early stuff or there can be no meaningful pac stuff
that includes both us and jap. The problem we have now is we cant have all early war jap stuff with out its us counterpart.
Read the todays poll. it would seem even more ijn on the horizon.
p40? I'll quote HT "whats a p40?"
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[sarcasm]Yes. After all, nobody wants early war pac planes.
Oh wait, that's just your opinion :rolleyes:
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Come on Sky Viper, there are people who want these planes.
In fact, there is no planeset that I personally wanted more than an early pac planeset. I'm sure that I'm in the minority by having these planes so high on my priority list. But that doesn't mean that I shouldn't be represented. These planes are getting a pretty good reception so I know that not everyone hates the idea.
As far as the P-40 goes, we don't know if it will or will not be available in 1.10. So far as I know nobody has said "That's it guys, we're not modeling anything else" Try to be patient when you don't get things you want. God knows the BoB planeset did nothing for me.
-Sikboy
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Originally posted by Wotan
we need the early stuff or there can be no meaningful pac stuff
I suspect that late War Pac will be better balanced than History indicated, and early War Pac will actually favor the USN rather than the Japanese.
Early War, the Japanese in AH have none of the historical advantages they had. Right off the bat, they are flying against very experienced sim pilots who know how to exploit the weaknesses of early war Japanese planes.
Still, it'll be interesting to see how it compares to the way it went in WBs.
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:rolleyes:
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I want more early war planes (i.e. BIWINGERS:D ) The SwordFish, SeaGladiator/GlosterGladiator and CR42 would make AH much more interesting especially in turn fights when you'd have these rickety old biwingers gettin all the kills :D :D :D if they add those I might even pay $15/month for MA!
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What I heard was that this isn't 1.10.
I heard it was just a 1.09 patch with the big maps and a few new planes.
But we could still all cry about something anyway couldn't we? Please .. can we all just share a few tears? 'Cuz this is the end of a beautiful relationship
Oh, wait.. it's not. The sun will come up tomorrow and HTC will still be working on adding even more planes.
There. I feel better already.
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Hi Tech - we want more planes!!
Oh, you're giving us more planes....
Hmmm.....
HiTech, how dare you give us these three planes - there are no Japanese planes there!!!
Oh, you've now shown us a Japanese plane...
Hmmm.....
HiTech, how dare you give us those planes. They're the wrong ones!! grumble grumble HTC don't care about us wahhhhh! *sniffle*
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Originally posted by Wotan
"whats a p40?"
I believe it's the only US plane used throughout the war, beginning to end in every theatre of operations.
:p
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Before I started this game I would not have thought it possible that people could be so stupid as to complain about new planes being added. Obvoisly...when they are done with early pac they will do something else. Yet you accuse them of bias..
when they are modeling an era of axis dominance.
I am friggin dumbfounded...
Give your head a shake sky viper.
2 of the most signifigant AC of the war. Diverse in capablility and locked in mortal combat across the wide open spaces of the pacific...
and you whine about it.
Its almost unbelievable.
Are you just trolling for the whine of the week?
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It's always funny to read a whine about a release that hasn't even come out yet. Do ya think that we just might be making more than a couple planes for this release?:p
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Tease!!
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Originally posted by Sikboy
[sarcasm]Yes. After all, nobody wants early war pac planes.
Oh wait, that's just your opinion :rolleyes:
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Come on Sky Viper, there are people who want these planes.
In fact, there is no planeset that I personally wanted more than an early pac planeset. I'm sure that I'm in the minority by having these planes so high on my priority list. But that doesn't mean that I shouldn't be represented. These planes are getting a pretty good reception so I know that not everyone hates the idea.
As far as the P-40 goes, we don't know if it will or will not be available in 1.10. So far as I know nobody has said "That's it guys, we're not modeling anything else" Try to be patient when you don't get things you want. God knows the BoB planeset did nothing for me.
-Sikboy
Psst, I never said I didn't want the early Pac Set.
In fact, I would welcome it if it came with sufficient IJN to ballance the load. But it doesn't.
Also, in ballancing the load, we have late/mid war Allied and German Craft in abundance. We do not have a ballance of IJN (and others) for that era.
Be patient you say?
When I started flying AH there were less than a dozen planes. Now there are 53 total aircraft. (Not even going to get into the GVs)
53 Total AC (58 supposed in 1.10)
15 US (19 supposed in 1.10)
15 German
12 British (13 supposed in 1.10)
4 IJN (6 supposed in 1.10)
5 Russian
2 Italian
Now, I don't know what the total of each country was in RL, but I'm rather sure that the IJN had more representation than that.
Even if they did use inferior early war birds against late war enemy. We don't have that option.
Viper
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perhaps SKVP the problem comes from available data on each aircrafts performance, visuals etc.
I agree I'd like to see more japanese and other non allied planes, but the biggest factor I'd imagine in modelling any plane is the data sources and availability.
While u collect 'credible' data sources, why not model AC that you have sufficient data on NOW while collecting more data on those aircraft (japanese for example) for which data is hard to come by.
SKurj
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Originally posted by Sky Viper
In fact, I would welcome it if it came with sufficient IJN to ballance the load. But it doesn't.
Also, in ballancing the load, we have late/mid war Allied and German Craft in abundance. We do not have a ballance of IJN (and others) for that era.
Even if they did use inferior early war birds against late war enemy. We don't have that option.
Viper
If it's all about getting IJN balance, then it's pretty silly to mention the P-40, even if it was tacked on as an afterthought to show how HTC doesn't care about us.
Anyhow, yes, be patient. You talk about numbers of planes, and there is some validity to that. But at the same time, the Japanese have the N1k2 which is one of the best turners in the game. Can it compete with late war planes in B&Z mode? No, not really. But I honestly don't believe that any Japanese plane can (no, not even the Ki-84 IMO). I hear what you are saying about getting more Japanese planes. I too want them. But none of us know what planes are going to come out when. We don't know if there are other Japanese planes in the work, getting ready for the next release. Until yesterday we didn't even know the A6m2 was on deck. If they give us enough plane in the next relase to do the Early war carrier battles, I'll be pleanty happy.
From threads on this board, I'm convinced that HTC has a fairly painstaking research guideline for modeling new aircraft. They have to. People come out gunning for them all the time in this forum. I'm glad they take the time and gather multiple sources for their models. I would wager that this is the very reason that we don't have as many Japanese planes as we would like. Like Skurj mentions, hard data on the Japanese planes seems harder to come by than data on planes from other countries. something about being burried under a ton of rubble.
One more time. Be patient. How many Japanese planes have been added since you joined? 2 planes in 1.5 years? It will likely be 3-4 in 2 years. That's not as bad as you make it out to be in my opinion.
-Sikboy
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Originally posted by Sky Viper
More US Iron. Well, at least it's early war era.
Thanks for the A6M2, but there are so many more valuable IJN planes not in the set!
What's even worse is that HTC doesn't even seem to be listening to our desires now. P40 for instance has had more requests than any others that I've seen.
Sky Viper
I'd like to see the Ki-43 Hayabusa/Oscar added to the set when/if the P-40 (any variant) is brought in. Both aircraft were involved in the early stages of the war and were used in various capacities up until the end. I think they would compliment each other very well, like the Val and Dauntless would.
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cc, Ki-43 was main fighter of IJAAF.
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Originally posted by gofaster
I'd like to see the Ki-43 Hayabusa/Oscar added to the set when/if the P-40 (any variant) is brought in. Both aircraft were involved in the early stages of the war and were used in various capacities up until the end. I think they would compliment each other very well, like the Val and Dauntless would.
B I N G O !!!
Viper
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Originally posted by Pongo
Before I started this game I would not have thought it possible that people could be so stupid as to complain about new planes being added. Obvoisly...when they are done with early pac they will do something else. Yet you accuse them of bias..
when they are modeling an era of axis dominance.
I am friggin dumbfounded...
Give your head a shake sky viper.
2 of the most signifigant AC of the war. Diverse in capablility and locked in mortal combat across the wide open spaces of the pacific...
and you whine about it.
Its almost unbelievable.
Are you just trolling for the whine of the week?
A whine?
Why is it that folks like you whine about whining?
Can't a person just have an oppinion and display his/her displeasure?
Give your own head a shake!
Originally posted by Sikboy
If it's all about getting IJN balance, then it's pretty silly to mention the P-40, even if it was tacked on as an afterthought to show how HTC doesn't care about us.
Psst...
The P-40 killed quiet a few Japanese Planes. ;)
Originally posted by SUPERFLY
It's always funny to read a whine about a release that hasn't even come out yet. Do ya think that we just might be making more than a couple planes for this release?:p
I'm all ears (and eyes) SUPERFLY, show me.
Originally posted by SKurj
perhaps SKVP the problem comes from available data on each aircrafts performance, visuals etc.
I agree I'd like to see more japanese and other non allied planes, but the biggest factor I'd imagine in modelling any plane is the data sources and availability.
While u collect 'credible' data sources, why not model AC that you have sufficient data on NOW while collecting more data on those aircraft (japanese for example) for which data is hard to come by.
SKurj
There's the answer I would expect to see from HTC, but I think there is enought out there to make it work.
Viper
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You'll be happy soon enough Sky Viper. We're not biased towards any country. Yes, acurate data is very very important to us, and it is sometimes hard to come by. We like to wait until we've got good references before we spend the time to develop new additions to the game.
All I can say is that there are potentially more planes on the way for 1.10 than you may think. ;)
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Despite the fact i may campaigne for this or that plane over this or that plane, I am always happy to get new toys and I am very appricative of the work that goes into bringing us all these new toys.:)
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Originally posted by SUPERFLY
You'll be happy soon enough Sky Viper. We're not biased towards any country. Yes, acurate data is very very important to us, and it is sometimes hard to come by. We like to wait until we've got good references before we spend the time to develop new additions to the game.
All I can say is that there are potentially more planes on the way for 1.10 than you may think. ;)
Are we getting biwingers?? or b25s? or p40?? the suspense is killin me!!!:D
P.S. I can find allotta info on ww2 biplanes:D
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Brewster F2A-1 ... pleeeeeze :) ... and in FAF colors ;) :D
It would be easy to add the more common for US Navy and Marines F2A-2 and the degraded F2A-3 after that.
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Yes bring brewster to AH!
Makes great nordic map fights against La-7's. Too bad nobody flies the historic counterpart La-5 in MA.
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How about Fokker and Morane saulnier (dont rermember models) with FAF colors! Brewster is a must! Also Bristol Blenheim.
:D
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Originally posted by mrsid2
Yes bring brewster to AH!
Makes great nordic map fights against La-7's. Too bad nobody flies the historic counterpart La-5 in MA.
The Brewster F2A, against the LA-7?! :eek:
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Yes, face the finnish challenge! :)
I doubt there were many if any La7 vs BW fights but La-5 was a common enemy and I hold La-5 almost as leathal as la-7, only speed is a small difference.
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Originally posted by oboe
The Brewster F2A, against the LA-7?! :eek:
Yep, only thing LA-7 can do in that situaton is run run and run. :D
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Bring the beaufighter to Aces High!! :D
Oh and the stuka too.
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Originally Fallaciously put forth by Sky Viper
Psst...
The P-40 killed quiet a few Japanese Planes
Thanks Dr. Ambrose :rolleyes:
And this has something to do with helping bring more Japanese planes to AH? You don't see an inherent contradiction in complaining about a Pro-American bias, then implying that an American plane should be added?
-Sikboy
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Originally posted by SUPERFLY
You'll be happy soon enough Sky Viper. We're not biased towards any country. Yes, acurate data is very very important to us, and it is sometimes hard to come by. We like to wait until we've got good references before we spend the time to develop new additions to the game.
All I can say is that there are potentially more planes on the way for 1.10 than you may think. ;)
I knew they were planning to bring the SM79 "Sparviero" to AcesHigh, I knew it! :D
(http://www.teamblau.it/iwai/pics/s79b.jpg)
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According to John Edward on his tv show crossing over, his spirit guide told him, Yes the Australian Beaufighter Mk21, and the Coastal Command (optional Torpedo armed) TFVI/XIC is coming to 1.10!
(http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Skyrats/files/pic-beau.jpg)
Thanks superfly, your a hell of a guy! :D
Tronsky
(oh, and the RAAF/RNZAF P-40E/N)
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Originally posted by Sky Viper
What's even worse is that HTC doesn't even seem to be listening to our desires now. P40 for instance has had more requests than any others that I've seen.
Sky Viper
Yeah, damn that HTC for not getting us the P-40. They'll never care about what we want!:mad:
-Sikboy
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Too bad
P40-E jsut came out :D
...........Wadke...........
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SkyViper: Care for a little barbeque sauce with your crow? It makes it slide down easier :D.