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General Forums => Axis vs Allies => Topic started by: Urchin on April 25, 2002, 10:50:41 PM
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1. It is Boring.
2. See 1.
3. See 2.
No offense to anyone who took the time to set the maps and campaigns up... but it is boring.
For instance, I logged in, looked at the MA. 450-odd people, 300-odd ping. CT had 23 people, and a nice 87 ping. I figured I'd give it a try.
Unfortunately, I ended up in the "Pacific" setting (no offense Jarbo, because it is always like this.. boring, that is). 16 Allies, 7 Japs. I go Japs. Take off, see someone getting BnZ'ed by 3 people. They finally get shot down as I get there, computer locks up as I engage.
I reboot it, come back.. and everyone is gone. All the Allied 'pilots' anyway. I fly to an enemy base, by myself.. in a Zeke. I deack their base, by myself.. in a zeke. I LAND ON THEIR RUNWAY, taxi next to the tower, and turn off the engine. Still couldnt get one to fight. All of them.. ALL of them, were milkrunning a base we couldn't even TAKE OFF FROM!
Oh yes.. how fun. I took off and did some aerobatics through their hangars, landed and headed to the closest base we could actually take off from. There I discovered that even two on one wasn't enough, unless the two had an altitude advantage to start with.
The planeset we have for the Pacific isnt even close to fun. The Japanese planes are WAY to slow to force a fight, and the people flying the Allied planes (which most people want to fly, because it means they'll die less) are to chickenshit to even THINK about fighting (even BnZ'ing) unless they have both numbers and altitude.
The really sad thing is that if the N1K2 were free, all the folks flying Allied now would be on the Japanese side. Of course, at least then I'd be able to get into a fight. Same thing if it was an 'early war' setup with F4F's, P-40s' amd P-39s.... Can you say A6M2? I guarantee you the numbers would be at least 16 to 7... for the Japanese.
Anyway, thats it. I might come around again for a European planeset, but count me out of the Pacific ones (and most everyone else as well, from the looks of it).
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Ki-84 would be a great equalizer in the fighter department for 1944 Pac Theatre setups. It was produced in huge quantities (3,500) and is fast enough to make running an iffy option for the USN and USAAF.
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S! Urchin
Great Work as a C/O Urchin!... ;)
On to the subject at hand:
You come in for a setup you don't like and then label the entire CT as boring... hmmm...
Maybe you should consider that, yes, sometimes all of the setups in the CT may not appeal to everyone, all the time.
That doesn't mean it is a failure.
It more likely means that you have your buttons pushed by certain historical periods, and not by others.
It means you should fly it when you find it interesting, and not when you don't.
But don't expect it to appeal to you all the time, or even a majority of the time.... ;)
Cheers Buzzbait
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The planes in Karnak's signature, plus the D4Y Susei, Ki.45 Toryu, and J2M3 Raiden would go along way towards aircraft parity.
They might even get enough people interested in Japanese planes to start a Japanese CT squad.
When I logged in tonight there were 454 in the MA and 21 in the CT. That's a big part of the problem. We need to get 40-60 in the CT, regularly. I'm not sure what the answer is.:confused:
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Generaly the CT runs at an average of 30 players during peak times, some set up's draw more than others,as Urchin has eluded to the pac set up's do well but not as well as the Europen set up's, this is do largely to the planes we have to work with.
The A6M2, is more than a match for the Allied planes in the time frame it was serving.
A section from Americas 100 thousand states that the Zero was , faster, climbeed better and handeled better than the F4F.
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Hmmm.
The MA bores me more often.
eskimo
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Originally posted by brady
The A6M2, is more than a match for the Allied planes in the time frame it was serving.
A section from Americas 100 thousand states that the Zero was , faster, climbeed better and handeled better than the F4F.
It would be nice to have something that the Zero could outrun. I like the zeke, but lately the CT has been rather frustrating. It's totally outclassed by the P38L. I can deal with the P51B and the F4U1, but the P38 is just a pain. It doesn't make sense that the N1K is perked and the P38 is not. Why is the N1K perked anyway? Is it because they don't like it in the MA?
Not that I care for the N1K or even care about the low perk points. The problem is that it's a perk plane. You know what people do when they see an enemy perk plane. They forget everything and that plane becomes the primary target above all else.
Hell... I'm probably speaking out of ignorance. I have no idea what is perked on the allied side. I've been flying Japanese since the beginning of this tour.
Oh... and Urchin, it's not boring. It's not the MA.
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It isn't so much that I like particular planesets/periods as I like parity.
Sure, it may be historically accurate for the Allies to have twice as many players, and to refuse combat unless they have every possible advantage going in, but is it fun? Nope. At least not for me. I imagine it certainly could be 'fun' for some people.
There is no comparing the performance of the A6M5 and the Ki-61 to the P-51, F6F, F4U, or P-38.
I'm no expert in any of the U.S. rides- but you could put me in one of the above and the best A6M pilot in the world in the Zeke, and I'd still win every fight. And that is a 1v1, co-alt situation. Not a 2, 3, or 4 on 1 with an altitude advantage situation, which is where the players who choose to try to even the numbers up find themselves.
And because there is no comparing the performance of the planes, there is also no comparing the average count of each side. Literally every time I've gone into the CT, the Japanese side was outnumbered at least two to one.
I think the worst part is that there will NEVER be parity with that planeset. If you introduce the Ki-84 and leave the N1K2 free, people will fly those because they think they'll have a larger advantage in the Ki-84 and N1K2 against the above U.S. planes than they have now in the above U.S. planes against the A6M and the Ki-61. Leave those two out, and it is just about impossible for the Japanese side to get any kills. That isn't fun at all.
With the European planeset, every plane is close enough in performance that it really comes down to pilot skill (in my opinion). With what we have now, the players who go Japanese get slaughtered, regardless of pilot skill. Well, either that or they prove how 'good' they are by never fighting at all.
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I hear the same thing from alot of folks about pac setups. I have stated as much in previous posts.
However, I am not as good as Urchin or most guys in AH and I have been rather successful in the pac setups when I can find a fight. Several times I have flown to a base deacked it and allowed folks to up and get some alt as long as they didnt just run.
If you kept running from me I would hunt you down and vulch you. I would also let you know why.
That said I still find a good level of fun in the ct. I admit getting kills at times is like pulling teeth. Especially when a guy is flying timidly. Theres no real BnZ in the fights I have found. Its hit and run and usually its to ack. Theres no way any one can force some else to fly how we want them too. I agree with Buzz fly the ones you like and if you feel you have a better idea let us hear it with out the rest of the BS (not in this post but some of the others). No one here is trying to cheat you out of a good time. We want everyone who flies there to have fun but thats not gonna happen with every setup.
My personal belief is the greater the parity between the planeset the better the fun is all round.
With 1.10 bringing us an early pac set up I think it will do more for the fun factor then any setting tweak made on our end. The ct for the most part will never replace the main but has great promise in offering something a bit more unique in terms of terrains and plane match ups. The rest is up to the guys to fly there to decide what type of "gameplay" they want to get out of the ct.
We cant stop someone who doesnt want to fight, we cant stop someone who just wants to milkrun. I will tell you this coming from a lw guy. When the early pac stuff gets ingame I will be tempted to run mostly pac set ups. Enjoy the ones you can.
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Originally posted by Urchin
I LAND ON THEIR RUNWAY, taxi next to the tower, and turn off the engine. Still couldnt get one to fight. All of them.. ALL of them, were milkrunning a base we couldn't even TAKE OFF FROM!
I worried that my laughter would wake up my kids. Did you spray foul slogans on their hangers while you were there?
Last night turned out so lop-sided because it was Oboe's squad night. Frankly, I thought it was more fun than Wednesday night, when Wild Wednesday drew off the crowd and we had 4 v. 4. I'm happy to fly the short side if it helps attract more people and their squads.
That does not, of course, explain the embarrassing fact that Oboe's squad was attacking a base that couldn't generate defense fighters. I'm eager to hear his explanation for that lameness.
- oldman
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Speaking about last night in particular, I'm sure the "milkrunning" was unintentional - the mission was put up in the planner for A21 and I'm sure the planner didn't know you IJ couldn't up planes there. Apologies for that. It was a complicated mission plan with flights converging on A21 from multiple launch points, and we just stuck with the plan to accomplish a squad night goal.
It was a no-win situation though - had the IJ been able to up there, we may have heard complaints about 2v1 vulching. As it was, the IJ had a fairly close field to up from and gain some alt if desired before reaching the battle area.
As far as dogfighting against the Japanese planes, well this is the CT - its dissimiliar aircraft combat and if you want to survive and win, you fly your aircraft to its strengths, not its weaknesses. Only a newbie or an overly-aggressive, foolish pilot is going to dogfight an A6M in an F4U-1. Taunting on the open channel may get some to break down and turn fight with you, but not me (hopefully I stay smarter than that ;) ).
Better, faster IJ a/c and more people in the CT are long term solutions, maybe reducing the perk cost of the N1K is a short term one?
I'll open a discussion within my squad about things we might do to address 2v1 or greater imbalances.
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I don't get it either. I win as many as I lose in the PAC setup, and I usually fly Japanese. I mix it up at every opportunity. But that isn't everyone.
Some guys come in to play the strat game, which is cool. If they choose to take a base and avoid dying, that is ok, it is part of the CT. It seems to me the CT is a place where a lot of guys go to furball, which is what I do, and I've had some very fun fights. Some nights it's good, some nights it's not.
Urchin, it seems to me you can't have it both ways. You've complained in the past about MA gangbangs- well, they don't happen here. The flipside is there are fewer fights.
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Oboe-
I am just such a foolish pilot. I came to fight, not run. I may extend out enough to get some room to reverse, but I am coming back. :D
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The CT is not a failure. The CT is a
wonderful thing. It provides the chance to fight in a 'Balanced' environment and a more realistic and historic setting. Don't ya'll get tired of Spit vs. Spit. vs. La7 vs. Spit. vs Spit....etc. You can't force people to fight in the CT. The CT is to me a Practice/mini-MA. You can fly perked planes that are low in cost compared to the MA. I love the CT:D I wish more would come to the CT. Thursday night Apr. 25. Me and another guys vs. 7 (Hellcat squad) I love oods like that. I can begin to tell ya'll how much fun i had. Besides where would the people from the MA go when ya'll cant get into it :p .
If i could i would pass out flyer in the MA to come to the CT :D Come on down to the CT, Where most of the perked planes are FREE! Come one come All! and Try the new Zeke with that big Red Meatball!
-TheOxman (CT junkie/Groupie)
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Originally posted by Oldman731
That does not, of course, explain the embarrassing fact that Oboe's squad was attacking a base that couldn't generate defense fighters. I'm eager to hear his explanation for that lameness.
- oldman
Actually oldman, I was thinking about starting to hold squadron practice in the CT because of the low intensity combat. Most of the pilots in my squad aren't very practiced so the first thing we'd probably do is milkrun a base with no opposition just so everyone gets a chance to practice it before we go after a REAL target. Hopefully you count that as a decent excuse.
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Interesting to see so many different views of what the CT is!
Practice/mini MA, a place to go to furball, etc.
For me, its the WB HA - historical planesets in historical terrains, low icons and radar settings. It gives me the kind of immersion I can't get in the MA. So you'll see our squad in there trying to fly realistically and flying to RTB after the mission.
Keiran - to each his own, bro'! I'll rev too, but I need lots of space to get that Hawg safely pointed in the other direction right now.
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I've flown 3 separate times in the CT for at least 2.5 hours total, and I STILL don't have enough points for a niki.
Plus the numbers overall have been down all week.
CT staff can't you come up with a PTO setup that isn't all US hvy Iron & fast planes?
Perhaps a IJN vs British setup with spits & hurri's where a IJN plane has a equal chance?
Yes I know you have to work with the planes we have and yes I know the IJN needs SEVERAL.
However the key is BALANCE!
The last 2 PTO setups IMO have showed none.
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You know, an Indonesian theatre would pit Hurris and Spits against Zekes and Ki's. That wouldn't be bad, would it?
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Wow, that sounds fun kieran
As far as squad night last night and A21. I made the mission, and had no clue about the defense fighters at a21. I have three responses to some of the whining ;).
1. Dont up from a base that has 8 f6fs, +3 f4us incoming. The fact that you couldnt, apparently saved you from yourself. Up from a rearward base and come in with energy, and friends which most of the IJN did, and they seemed to have a ball.
2. What the hell did you guys take it for? I assumed there was a reason since you had captured it.
3. You should have seen some of our choices for initial targets!
oh and by the way, the p38 is perked.
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that's funny Urchin... the times I've flown the CT this setup I had to fly Allied to keep the numbers balanced. *shrugs* guess it depends on when you log in.
Oh, and I'd love to see a Zeke ace take you up on your claim. Dunno who the best Zeke pilot is though, definitely isn't me. :p
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Originally posted by Preon1
Actually oldman, I was thinking about starting to hold squadron practice in the CT because of the low intensity combat. Most of the pilots in my squad aren't very practiced so the first thing we'd probably do is milkrun a base with no opposition just so everyone gets a chance to practice it before we go after a REAL target. Hopefully you count that as a decent excuse.
As I said, any way to get more people in is fine by me.
Last night's squad, by Oboe's boast and my personal observation, was not a collection of cherries, so I still consider their ganging milkrun to have been lame, though.
- Oldman
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Originally posted by ergRTC
As far as squad night last night and A21. I made the mission, and had no clue about the defense fighters at a21.
Diggit. Actually, I don't suppose there's any way to know, from the other side. I still haven't figured out the raison d'etre for these neutered bases.
- Oldman
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I was on last night Urchin. In fact, I might of been the one you seen getting BnZed. Once you get down on the deck with the IJN planes it is hard to get altitude again, so you spend the entire time avoiding rather than fighting. :)
It OK, I really like the CT, regardless of numbers. :)
My computrer froze right after that and I just decided to sign off for the night.
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its a three side map with only 2 countries active. read the motd when you enter the click on names on the clip board and you will see what base belongs to which country.
If you are attacking the country that has flight disabled then you will get no resistance :)
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Wotan I dont think a21 is neutral. I think it is a knit base that was rook when we logged on. THus they could not up fighters. I guess it is supposed to make it harder to 'run the map'. I dont know for sure though, as I never tried to up from it when we captured.
HEHE trust me we were eyeing what we thought was a rook base for alittle while, till we realized that it was a bish base "above the line" over on the east side. I have made that mistake before and do not plan to repeat it!
One of the main reasons to fly squad in CT is that unless you feel like working with the socrates types in MA it is very difficult to accomplish anything. Even then it is tough since any attempt to take a base causes a mass attack response from the enemy. None of which I find to be fun.
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Since Our Squad, VF-27 "Hellcats", is an CT only Squad, we do what we can to make the CT fun for everybody. While we need no defense for our actions, I am willing to state a few facts concerning the "Thurday Nite Imbalance" that Occured.
1st, as our Squadron Intell Officer, one of my duties is to check out the CT situation prior to our Squad time begginning at 9 PM CST, 10 PM EST. My normal log time is 2 to 3 hours prior, in order to see where any of the CV's we fly from are located, and attempt to put them into an "Open Water" location vs parked next to an Enemy Base just offshore.
2nd, On logging in, I found CV 18 heavily engaged to the NW, while CV 15 and CV 35 had been moved to the south, apparently in an effort to attack the neutral Bishop territory. ( I say this due to the fact that where they were located, there were no Rook bases closer that a 45 minute flight time away.) Looking over the Map, I saw 2 possibilities for Missions to be flown by our Squad. One was to travel up the Bishop East Coast and attack the Rook Bases on the East of the island. The other was to reverse their courses and send them to the NW. Initially, My thoughts were to go up the East side. This turned out to be a mistake, as doing a map search showed the only bases we could reach would be Bishop, Not Rook. In Conference with some fellow Squadmates, it was decided that an effort to retake A21 and A20 was a good choice.
3rd, I had no idea at the time that IJ planes could not fly from A21, as I had flown IJ from there numerous times during the week. {Most of the VF-27 DO fly for the short side when not Involved in Squadron Activities. } Maybe that is something the CM's changed, or was just a bug. I have no idea as to why IJ planes got disabled from A21, at the time in question. So we planned a coordinated Mission, using CV's 15 and 35, and A12 and A19, fully expecting opposition to develope from A21 and A20.
4th, While planning the Mission, I noticed jarbo and sehob discussing an attack on A21 on the country channel. I informed them that the VF-27 had a Squadron Mission in the Planner for A21 and A20. ergRTC set the Mission up, leaving room for other Pilots to Join, if they desired to. I was asked if there was room in the Mission for the "Buccaneers" to join in the Mission, and told them " sure, we left lots of slots". While we were in the planning stages of the Mission, the sides were not terribly imbalanced, as some good fights were ongoing at various places around the Map.
5th The "Hellcats" normally begin our Squad activities with an "Alpha Strike", using all USN planes available to Us. We Paint a rather large BarDar picture when We launch a Mission, giving any Opposition Country Pilots that care to look at their clipboard, the information that a Large Force is available for a Fight. MILKRUNNING IS NOT AND NEVER HAS BEEN A SQUADRON ACTIVITY WE ENGAGE IN. If No Enemy forces up to engage us, we complete our current Mission, and then look for the action wherever it is.
These are the facts concerning the Night in question. When We spend the time and effort to to look around the map, check out the Strategic Situation, and formulate a plan of Action as a Squadron, so that we may have an enjoyable Squad Time, We are going to Complete Our Mission, to the Best of Our Abilities. Somebody taunting Us on the Text Buffer, is not and never will be a valid reason to just Chuck a Plan out the window and go play their Game. A few of our more "hotheaded" Pilots really wanted to go get Urchin, yet Squadron Discipline prevailed and they Continued on their assigned Mission.
For those that know Us, and Fly and Fight Against Us, . For those that desire to complain and whine because we want to enjoy ourselves, As a Group, with Often Published Times, all I have to say about it is this. Fly whatever Arena turnes you on and you can have the most fun for your Money. Don't expect Us to stop having Our fun, so that YOU can have Yours.
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Is this guy serious...an Intel Officer? I knew a few people took this GAME a little serious but...
bowser
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bowser you ever been in a squad? For a bunch of guys that fly not so often it is very important to have an 'intel office' so that when we all show up 10 minutes to squad time, somebody knows what is going on!
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Bowser, if you aren't at least a little serious about winning, you'll end up losing. Surely you can see that.
From what I've seen these guys are a class act both in the arena and here on the boards. We could use more squadrons like them. Hellcats
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Thank You ZOSO, for the Compliment.
We, the VF-27 "Hellcats", as a Squadron, Welcome any and all Pilots that fly in the CT, on Tuesday and Thursday, to fly with Us, or Against Us. To the best of our abilities, We Fly with the Tactics and Stratigies that were used in the PTO in WWII. We Fly as a Team, an Organized Unit. :) As a Squadron, We Intend to OWN any airspace we are operating within.:D
Come one, come all. Other Squadrons, the "Assasins" in particular, have handed us our behinds on a platter, more than once. Win or Lose, Our Goal is to have FUN, and We do Our best not to Complain or Whine, even when We Don't get to Fly our Prefered Aircraft or use our Prefered Tactics, due to them not being used in a particular Ct set-up. We just go ahead and use whatever is there, and have as much fun as we can, whatever the current scenario is.
CM's, We Salute You for your efforts to give us a viable playing field, even when it does not support a Naval Unit.
MapMakers, NUTTZ in Particular, The Largest SALUTE I can give goes to You as well. Our fun would be less, or non-existant, without your efforts.
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Wasn't gonna chime in, but........
I understand the frustration lately, but all the "no parity in the planesets" is just rubbish IMO.
Several people have described Pac setups as nothing more than Allied planes hitting and "running to the acks".
Personally, from my own experience, I've seen these same people doing the exact same thing when the planeset favored their side, i.e. the 190A5 vs a Spit5.....190 outruns/extends at will long as he flies smart.........or run to the acks or a group of their friends.
Tunisia is a perfect example: Sure the P51B and P38 were enabled......at TWO fields, both of which were captured most of the time I was in there, therefore disabling the planes from use.
Any 190 pilot could disengage and extend whenever he wanted if he flew smart...I know, because I flew LW most of the time I participated in the Tunisia setup, and I suck in 190's. If I can get 5 kills sorties in a 190 with that planeset, what does that tell you?
Was the Tunisia setup a failure? Heck no.
Quit complaining about the planesets and the "parity" BS.
This is a game, a sim, and all we are doing is role-playing.
Log in, have fun......if it ain't fun, log out and look in the MA. I've had more fun lately since I QUIT taking AH so seriously.
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Ah, but in Tunisia the Allied planes have a decent chance at killing a 190 IF they play their cards right. A SpitV can keep up with a 190A5 in a dive with no problems at all, and it can stay close long enough to use its cannons to get a kill.
A zeke has zero chance to kill an Allied plane that isn't on the deck doing 100 mph.
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I have to disagree. I admit it is tough, but if the zeros have better numbers or pilots, they dont seem to have a problem.
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And if the Allied pilot messes up just once, the Zeke will be all over him.
Zeke flies forever with fire and other damage that would put any of the Allied planes down and out.
Pac setups are no less competitive or "fair" than the others. I suspect the main drawback is a lack of LW planes in Pac setups, but I have been wrong before....;)
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Don't the Japanese also have the Tony available? All anyone seems to be talking about is the Zeke. IMO the Tony is actually a useful fighter, at least able to compete with mid-war Allied rides. I'd fly it over the Zero any day.
J_A_B
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Yeah jab, I was going to mention that, but I figured the carrier aircraft as the limiting factor. Ki is more than competent against all the blue iron in the pac. Mix a couple ki with some zeros and you are really up shist creek.
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the difference between speed of a spit v and 190a5 is 30 mph tell me what the difference is between a p51b and a zeke is?
Also in tunisia the spit v was the plane for the raf at the time, while the a5 was new in march 43 the a4 was there as was the a3. The performance difference between the a4 and a5 is less then say the difference in an p51 mk1 or a36 and a p51b. Face the facts in every set up where there are concession the allies always benefit way beyond what the axis are given.
This isn't because of biase's by the ct cm crew but they are a result of the limited planeset. Either we stick with a late war eto set up or we make concessions. All of us want folks to have fun and frequent the ct. The reality is that we cant make everyone happy.
The pac setups ups in the ct are onesided way beyond what ever you thought you saw in tunisia or in any other set up. The only other set up that is close is eastern front set ups. This doesn't mean that the axis are necessarily gonna bewalked over, the last tour in the zeke I went
wotan has 9 kills and has been killed 1 time in the A6M5b against the P-51B.
wotan has 1 kill and has been killed 0 times in the A6M5b against the P-38L.
wotan has 12 kills and has been killed 1 time in the A6M5b against the P-47D-11.
But the fact is with new planes otw we can remedy this and bring a greater level of parity between the pac war plane match ups.
I understand the frustration those flying axis face in pac set ups. But alot of it has to do more with how you approach a fight then the planeset.
Do you think the ct would be better off skipping pac set ups? or east front set ups? Should we just stick to eto match ups while the planeset gets developed?
Fly the ones you enjoy but give umm all a chance. The vf-27 guys have been a huge positive to the ct. So lets not blame folks for trying to make some fun. If its not for you or if you have suggestions offer them.
S!
Wotan
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Thanks wotan.
I have to say though, many a time after wrangling with a ki or nik, I have really itched to jump sides for a couple flights....
I dont think it is always the plane set. When I am in the MA I tend to just fly the hurri 1. I get a kill once in a while, not because I bounced somebody (303s you know) but because they started fighting the wrong way for whatever they were flying. I was in the TA last month, killing the same guy over and over again with my hurri, he was flying a spit 9. As soon as I explained extending, we had a dog fight that lasted 15 minutes, I bbed the hell out of him but he finally got me.
If I upped an f6f all by my lonesome, without the squad, I am pretty much toast if I run into a ki or a nik (if I choose to stay engage without e or stay too long ie always), particularly dead if they have a friend. Little more chance with the ki, but with the nik it cant be an experienced pilot. In one on one arrangements (notice I leave out the zero) I think the pac is matched, but those that fly in groups always have the advantage. I have to add to this that 3 zeros tends to be even with 3 f6fs, 2 zeros have a hard time with 2 f6fs, but one f6f tends to pound 1 zero. The relationship is not linear.
My problem with pac setups is the pandering to the land base people. Why do we have p51s and p38s and p47s? In the hope that it will attract people from the ma (yawn)? If the allied only had one plane I would fly it. No matter what it was (heck had to learn the hurri 1 in BOB, and fell in love with it). Course I am not joe 'ma' schmo in my tastes.
The only time it feels like you are at a disadvantage is when your not winging with somebody, or not flying with a group. If your not doing that, and you normally dont do that, then I suspect you have been flyin uber rides for a little too long and should start working with others, if you are not, I dont think you are getting your 12 dollars worth of AH per month.
Just my .02.
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One good reason I can think of for the P47 and P38 being included in Pac setups is the fact that they were used in that theater. Bong and McGuire were bigtime P38 aces in the PTO.
The whole PTO island hopping campaign was an interactive effort between the USN, USAAF, and USMC.......a very rocky effort to be sure, but all three branches of the service were in play from 1943 onward. As far as I can recall, the P51 was first used in the China-Burma-India theater of operations, and I am not sure how widespread it's use was. I could live without a Pony in the Pac setups, I could live with a Jug also, but the P38 was the one USAAF plane that needs to be in a Pac setup (along with the P40, which we don't have at this time).
When there is a Pac setup running in the CT, I do tend to fly Allied unless the numbers are too imbalanced (a situation which is dynamic and can change from one extreme to the other within a 5 minute period), not because the Allied rides are what I consider to be "uber", but because I have always liked them. I fly them all: F4U (all variants except F4U4), F6F, TBM, Jug if I can find a field within range, P38 if I can find a field close enough; I don't fly Seafires with any regularity, just don't feel right in one.
All other supposed "issues" aside, the CT setups have been well thought out IMO, with a few adjustments here and there as needed.
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Yeah, I guess the 38 does have a home, but was it an earlier version?
The other thing about the CT which is fantastic is the staff. They are more than willing to tweak and change the setup mid camp if some kind of imbalance is noticed, or something is a little out of whack.
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LOL... I have to laugh at least a little. Ask some of my fellow squaddies (the seemingly infamous "Hellcats") what can be done with a well flown zeke. Better yet, the zeke I was flying the night I killed 3 of them in a row. They finally got me when I ran out of ammo, but that zeke was certainly holding it's own against the f6. Or maybe the sortie when I waxed a 38, then immediately killed the jug that had been bugging me, then almost got ANOTHER 38 before once again running short on ammo. I'm not that good guys, if I can do that, ANYONE can! Patience is the key in jap iron, period. And yes, I fly whichever side is down in numbers unless it's a squad night, and I love the jap planes. They seem to like me too, lol. I agree that in these PTO setups, the n1k should be free, and possibly more available, but that still won't solve some of the things mentioned here...
Oh well, can't please everyone all the time I guess, and personally, I think the CT staff has done well in TRYING to please everyone... guys!