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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: oboe on April 19, 2001, 05:18:00 PM
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What if perk bonus for RTB offered real incentive for a pilot to pull out of a fight to save his life and aircraft and return home safely? The current 25% bonus is not really enough to encourage this - you can earn more perks by staying the fight and bagging another a/c, even at the cost of your life and a/c, than you can by returning home.
If the perk bonus was increased to 100%, there would be real incentive to fly smarter.
Also, what about giving an even higher bonus if you make a successful CV landing (150%?), since CV ops are much more difficult than landing at an airfield?
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I like it (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
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Nice idea.
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Ozark
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Excellent!!! I am all for it too!
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[This message has been edited by Thunder (edited 04-19-2001).]
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I get between 8 and 15 perks a flight... I really don't need anymore. :-)
-SW
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If more planes were perked, people would RTB just to keep their points. I like the perk everything after 1942 idea... perk em all, just make most of the perk planes "inexpensive". I agree though, the bonus for landing your kills (or your bomber/goon mission) should be higher.
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[This message has been edited by Sancho (edited 04-19-2001).]
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Swulfe, you must be a god. Don't know how you do it. I just landed a 3-kill P-38 sortie, and got only 2.7 points! My average is about 2 pts per sortie.
BTW, I'd also like us to earn perks for assists at 1/2 the normal rate.
I agree, I'd like more choices in perk planes.
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I agree perfectly w/ all of this.
This could be the possibility to keep AH from being yet another Quake-type sim.
And perk the C-hog GOOD!! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/frown.gif) (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/frown.gif) (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/frown.gif)
Stomp
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Damn good idea oboe. I've been flying P-51D BARCAP missions, and have only been shot down twice, both due to pilot failure (read stupidity). The reason for this? I try to roleplay a little. I don't engage in stupid fights, or fights the pony is not designed for, and I always watch my fuel for bingo awareness. I like to stay alive. I like to hear the tires squeal :-). I've found tons more enjoyment in this than in the usual "where is the next dogfight?" mentality.
100% might be a bit much though, I think even 75% might be enough. - "And the difference is? Small, but noticable."
Stats:
Kills in P-51D: 23
Killed in P-51D: 2
(in 4 days :-)
Why hasn't anyone pointed me to this plane before? When does next tour start? Still keep my D-Hog polished though :-)
Darling
"All my misspellings are typos"
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OH YES!!
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[This message has been edited by Kirin (edited 04-20-2001).]
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Agree!More bonus if landing back at base or CV.There's not very much difference if You bag 5 cons and then get shot down and if U land after that sortie.
As Darling pointed out..I also like that type of flying,but my grip has slipped (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)Can be seen in my stats in increased numbers of deaths. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/frown.gif)109 is not the most easy plane to fight in and I have made some real jack prettythang mistakes lately.Gotta sharpen up!
It is odd why assists are not counted.would be nice if You would get say 0.15 points for it?In comparison..killing a gun emplacement is worth 0.25 points...
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DB603
3.Lentue
Lentolaivue 34 (http://www.muodos.fi/LLv34/)
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Getting perks for assists seems logical - at first glance. But that will only sharpen the problem of kill-stealers.
I recall a happening last week: Still grabbing out from field I spot a countrymate being chased by an enemy. I dive in and remove the wing of the F6F on the 6 of the friendly. F6F begins tumbling around and I zoom up to watch him crash - now what does the friendly do? Hard break turn settles up on the falling F6F - BOOM! He gets kill, me assist. Being enraged I call over chan2 that it was pretty weak of him to steal the kill after I cleared his 6! He replies "I just wanted to get the assist" - not the first time that happened to me.
Now imagine what would happen if you would get perkies for assists? Streams of dweebs diving on a disabled a/c to get assist - nice aye?
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i agree
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perk f4u1-c (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
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nice idea (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif) i agree
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[This message has been edited by JEK (edited 04-20-2001).]
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S!
The "kill stealing" is there and not very funny.Gets on your nerves if Ya score a good kill after an exhausting fight and some1 dives in and get's the kill by firing on the falling plane.To cure this..dinnae what to do.
But assists could still be awarded,for example with a little pointbonus.Can be less than what I suggested,maybe even 0.05pts only.I wouldn't get after a tumbling plane for measly 0.05 pts and loose my alt in doing so.
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DB603
3.Lentue
Lentolaivue 34 (http://www.muodos.fi/LLv34/)
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Pretty favorable response to this idea in general I'd say. Thanks you guys for all your input!
Now, how do we get HTC to at least consider the change? I do remember him stating the perk system would be open to experimentation for a while. It sounds like we have something for consideration. Is just discussing it in this thread enough? Put another way, where do I send the case of beer? (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
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Flying the Yak9U most of my kills used to be due to shredding the tail of the enemy. It was so damned annoying to watch someone come and make the tumbling plane explode.
It happens less these days. I got a new joystick and my gunnery improved a lot. Tend to shred the whole plane from 200yds now =)
Only get one or two kills per sortie, but I usually land with 50-70% of my ammunition left =)
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Graywolfe <tim@flibble.org>
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IMHO what you suggested is a good idea however, I think that the majority of pilots online don't see enough perked items to warrant the usage of their points. Therefore increasing the amount of point returns will only yield a larger surplus of perk points for these pilots. That being said, it really wouldn't encourage a pilot to 'fly to live' if he doesn't already because at the moment there really isn't a need to provide more points until we get more worthwhile items to spend on.
I don't deny that there are a few pilots who fly perks very often and this implementation would benefit those, and may eventual benefit others.
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I highly doubt someone can get 8-15 perk points per flight for an average 1.4 kills per flight. At any rate something should be done to add a bonus for landing. Right now I will look for extra kill instead of landing.
Increasing CV landing PP would help tremendously. As far as assists I can name a few out there who love to go in after you winged a pilot and try and steal your kill. Something in damage modeling needs to be done so that when a plane becomes uncontrolable it can take more damage but does not count towards players overall damage inflicted on it. This would stop a lot of the kill stealers when they know that firing their ammo into the target might bring it down quicker they wont get the kill for it.
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Sturm6 StaffelKapitän
JV44 Platzschutzstaffel
Airfield Defense Squadron
"Did we give up when the Germans bombed Pearl harbor?" Famous quote from Animal House, John Belushi.
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Good idea oboe. I would support a strong bonus for successful RTB and Cv landing. Makes sense and would make pilots fly smarter. No doubt about it.
Even those who whines about perks, scoring and rank would be influenced.
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Keep in mind that increasing the reward for landing will increase the difference in perks flown my the ace pilots verus the the inexperienced pilots. It will make the difference between the haves and have nots larger.
Is this really desirable?
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Sturm, ah nevermind you simply wouldn't understand...
My other highly intellectual Aces High compatriots, You know the highly whined about Chogs and N1K2s? Target those lil' dudes and you'll see your perk points sky rocket. Use planes like the 205/202, 190A5, 109F4 or G2, and the P38 and rack up 3 or 4 kills per flight. You will land and get between 8 and 15 perk points, guaranteed.
-SW
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How about something to encourage the perkie hunters to actually hang around a base until it's captured, LOL?
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I am all for an increase in landing bonus.
Man you would think that PP whiners would stay off this thread.
Jessh.
Acid, we will hopefully have a couple more perks to spend our hard earned points. As for now, i really dont think the temp and 152 are really that popular perk rides. Temp=sup`up typoon, I dont know much about the 152, just that i dont fly it.
When we get something like a F8F or a Me262 you can bet plp will start buying.
LaVa
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much better to just eliminate the idiotic perk system and get rid of all the convoluted, anal, bean counting and petty intrigue. touch gloves, go to your corners and come out fighting at the bell.
lazs
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Originally posted by AKSeaWulfe:
.....109F4....
As a mediocre pilot myself I had a tough time building up perk points. I only had around 210 or so after building them up for a month or whatever when the system started. The night before last I dropped to 40 something after wasting a Tempest. I began an effort to rebuild my perks back above Tempest cost. One of my squaddies suggested I fly the 109F4 to do so. Its a great little plane....turns pretty well...has ok speed...and handles nicely even with the gondolas on. I am back above teh Tempest price after only 1 nite in the plane.
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DB603:
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The "kill stealing" is there and not very funny.Gets on your nerves if Ya score a good kill after an exhausting fight and some1 dives in and get's the kill by firing on the falling plane.To cure this..dinnae what to do.
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Here's my suggestion....
Only award a kill to someone who downs a plane all by himself. If more than one person puts bullets into a plane, then *everyone* who does so gets an assist, and no one is awarded a 'kill'.
It just might reduce gangbanging a little, too, because gangbangers wouldn't get kills, only assists.
anRky
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Sounds good to me.
Kirin people try to steal kills now. Rewarding assists would probably effect that about zero.
I like the reward system for landing on the carrier.
I think the reward for landing(even now) should kick in when you rearm. Those kills were landed and should be counted as such.
That would probably require the reworking of what HT keeps track of as a sorti...but would be worth it I think.
If people started seriosly trying to land on carrier then the flames vs the carrier jinkers would rise astronomically.
I think it would be far better to tie in mission success to all participants and then the present landing multiplier to encourage game play then just inflating the landing multiplier. Flying arround sniping targets of high opertunity low risk would be a mission multipier of 1.
Taking a large base would be a mission multipier of 5.
That would be very hard to program I think. Whats a real mission? Defend your HQ when no one is attacking it?
Hard to do.
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take it to the next step ...
You HAVE to return to base to claim ANY perk points ! You die, you lose any and all points from that sortie.
that'd change the entire game, maybe a change for the better.
Along that line, I'd like to see score factored into the equation. Say anyone greater than 1000, 500, etc (whatever decided level) in ranking would not need any perk points and would be allowed to fly them all. That way the newbies (read - New Customers) would not be penalized for their inexperience while the sharpshooters would have to be more conservative in their tactics. At the same time we'd all be able to fly any plane at the beginning of each tour until we were ranked. Seems like a system like would tie all the elements of the game together.
Eagler
[This message has been edited by Eagler (edited 04-20-2001).]
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yeah... just what we need... people aren't timid enough now??? the whole arena has turned into a (cough) cautious gangbang or be gangbanged, get the fastest plane available and run away the instant u percieve you might have lost the advantage... Yeah let's reward that crap.
Guys who fly slow planes will just have to get out of em or get out of the game. serves em right. I don't give a crap about perk points an have a bunch that I won't use in all likelyhood but.... if the perks force others to act even more timidly then they are bad for me.
lazs
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I would like to see something a tad more extreme. Landing equals 100% perkies, while getting your arse shot down means ZERO perkies, with ditching in freindly teritory being 25% or something, NME teritory 5%.
Now THAT should make it more reasonable, as you really consider landing those 4 kills instead of diving in on that last Spit.
This in combination with ultra low perk costs for overused planes would revamp the arena. (( 2-3 perkies for overused planes for example )).
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[This message has been edited by 2Late4U (edited 04-22-2001).]
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Here's a better twist: Get perks ONLY when you land and ef the plane on rwy.
What? Afraid of runstang syndrome? Kamikaze pilots should not get perkies, less HO's, less stall and spray, less unrealistic fights.
Flame away, I got me marshmellow ready!
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Even better yet, add a multiplier. The first flight you get 75% if you land the second land in row you get 80% the 3rd 85% you get the drift. Anyway it keeps going up each succesfull landing in a row, once you die it starts at 75% again. It not only encourages landing but it encourages it to be done every flight.
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