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Special Events Forums => Friday Squad Operations => Topic started by: sling322 on April 27, 2002, 07:04:42 PM
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I need to know what the problem is.
What can we do to get the participation back up where it was before?
I know there were a couple of squads that quit before this one, but I also need to know how many of you are still planning on flying in the Saturday TOD. I am beginning to get the feeling that we are wasting our time trying to keep fielding a Sat version of the TOD and it really bugs me because of the very vocal cries we had in the past about holding a Euro-friendly version of the TOD.
Would a different time benefit us? Would a different day be better? Please let me know what you think would be better....if its something we can do, we will give it a shot.
I also ask that if you arent a CO of a Saturday TOD squad, then please refrain from this thread. I would like to deal with just the COs. If you would like to chime in please let you CO know what you would like and let he or she express it in this thread.
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Originally posted by sling322
What can we do to get the participation back up where it was before?
Unfortunately, I am not sure what happened in the case of my squad.... I was unable to take part anyway due to being Setup CM for this last TOD.... think I will send an email and see if I can generate some more interest in the Saturday TOD...
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my squad would sorely miss the Sat TOD's if they were canx. they make effort to be there, and dont seem to have a problem with figuring out the time of the event either...:rolleyes:
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All
The Hornets would sorely miss the Sat TOD. we have had at least 8 guys these past 3 weeks.
We hope it stays :)
Busher
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Firebirds always get numbers in the TOD also - for me and many others it's about the best thing in AH right now, and we would miss it for sure.
Perhaps if numbers are going to be lower overall we could reduce the scale of the TOD setups? The only other suggestion I would make is that there must be quite a few Euro players either in very small squads who don't participate or in American squads where they don't get the chance to. Perhaps increasing the number of guest player slots allowed could help here?
Thanks to the CMs and designers for the efforts!
Vladd
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308 scheduled weekly squad meeting at the Sat TOD. except 1st farme we had 9-11 pilots flying. Hopefully in future we can have the same numbers!
i'm not sure if it can change something, but maybe delaying TOD about 1 hour would be good for US pilots (however i'm 99% sure that 1-2 of my squaddies don't like that idea)?
Maybe there is a chance to register a "guest squad" (or more if needed) formed on regisrered pilots, who willing to fly on sat TOD, but his squads are not interested in it... or they have no squad at all...? that will give us a chance to get organised (no problems with guys screaming all over CHL1 that they need a squad to join ;)), this guys can get orders before that way and have his own CO.
By registering guest pilots we can also check how many guys are interested in it :-)
what do you think?
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Euro TOD CM/CO and pilots;).
Ok, The 332 Vikings is always showing with 7-12 players attending to European TOD, and I wil personaly Promisse to help out toe keep the Europena TOD alive by stepping forward to be CO for the side my squad is on when others dont show or cant make it;).
I also do my Duty as CO when my turn is;).
In short! If a Co is missing I wil do my best to step forward and take that job! if I of some reasen cant make it, I have pleanty of Good Pilots in my Squad to take my place as CO for that country;)!!
332 Viking Squadron wil do ther Duty to keep the European TOD alive!
Regarding the Time and day, I think "Sundays" at the same time 1500est would be a better day for it, after some of the Younger pilots is out and rocking there foot :D and see the city life;).
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Originally posted by GA
the Time and day, I think "Sundays" at the same time 1500est would be a better day for it,
Have to say from my point of view as a Setup CM, I would also prefer Sundays, and get my Saturday evenings back! :D
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If it comes serious about Sundays (i'm ok with it) i will need to discuss it with rest of my squad before official anoucement!
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<< supporting sunday euro TOD.
Bozon
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Yes, like Flossie, I'd rather keep Saturdays free for that rare thing, my social life!:D
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I believe that their are some folks that attend Church on Sundays and that was the original reason why they picked saturday.
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sunday is ok:)
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Originally posted by -ammo-
I believe that their are some folks that attend Church on Sundays and that was the original reason why they picked saturday.
I understand that, but even in Pacific time, the TOD start time is 12.00 noon - aren't church services usually earlier in the morning and therefore mostly finished by then? I know this was always a reason for not starting any earlier than 15.00 Eastern time when we had events in AW, but understood this time was a good compromise?
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Well I dont know. I cant speak for all folks and all church's, but anywhere from 1400-1500 CST is good for me on Sundays. But the rest of my squad, I dont think they have a problem with Sunday at all.
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Only tell me when and........I'll be there.
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My squad (The Wings of Death) have just registerd to fly in the saturday TOD.
Our normal squad night is on Sunday where we normaly have all of our members there, however we are a small squad (8 active members).
I have attended the last two Saturday TODs as a guest (thanks Kraits and Firebirds), but I can only just manage to get myself a guest slot and most of the other WOD pilots want to take part also.
I would suggest the following for increasing the number of pilots who want to take part and actualy turn up / get to fly:
1, Allow smaller squads to participate, even if you need to pair a couple of squads together.
2, Allow a number of individual pilots to register, they can be allocated to make up the numbers in the smaller squadrons.
3, Sunday would be better, Saturday is a busy day/night and her indoors is used to me being on my PC on Sunday. Most UK/EU squads seem to have squad night on Sunday evening.
4, Loosen up your rules on 66% min 120% max, if a squad is oversubscribed on one night there will always be another squad with a spare slot or two.
AndyH
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Originally posted by AndyH
1, Allow smaller squads to participate, even if you need to pair a couple of squads together.
We do allow small squads to participate. Off the top of my head I believe we have a slot for squads as small as 4-6. If you cant get 4 guys, book a couple of guests. :)
2, Allow a number of individual pilots to register, they can be allocated to make up the numbers in the smaller squadrons.
These would basically be walkons. For scoring purposes though, they need to be in a squad in the arena before the event starts. Its definitely something we can look at.
3, Sunday would be better, Saturday is a busy day/night and her indoors is used to me being on my PC on Sunday. Most UK/EU squads seem to have squad night on Sunday evening.
It seems that most squads are now saying that Sunday would be better for them. My question is, if most squads have squad nites on Sunday, would you be willing to spend squad nite in the TOD if we changed it to Sundays?
4, Loosen up your rules on 66% min 120% max, if a squad is oversubscribed on one night there will always be another squad with a spare slot or two.
This I dont think we can do. The reason for the min and max participation is for balance. Nobody wants to fly when their side is outnumbered. In fact, we are looking at ways in the Friday TOD to limit squads to just 1 or 2 more than what they have as their max registered number. We have had some instances where it became really lopsided and we would like to limit that.
I thank you all for the time to read and respond to this thread. We will take all of these suggestions under advisement and we should be announcing the next weekend TOD shortly.
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Unless it were not at an anti-social time for Europeans, TODs on Sundays could well ensure that Kampfgeschwader 2 did not take part.
With all due respect to peoples religions, various faiths have various holy days, particularly Fridays, Saturdays and Sundays - which if we avoided all of them would just about kill TOD's altogether, no? And not everyone is either religous, or if religous of one of the Abrahamic faiths (which tend to regard one of Friday-Sunday as holy).
In my opinion, from 7pm UK time on Friday through to 7pm UK time on Sunday is about the range that should be considered for TOD start times. Earlier than that on Friday doesnt give folk chance to get home from work (and even 7pm UK time may be too early for those on CET) whilst later than that on Sunday is distinctly anti-social for those who have to work on Monday mornings.
I would prefer Friday evenings UK time or Saturdays; I will consider Sundays if the timing is early enough. I would like to put in a plea that we NOT consider accesibility for US members here, because they have the Friday TODs*. In the previous game I flew in, stuff was arranged for the convenience of folk in the USA, so few Europeans took part; so it then seems that because of low European involvement it was thought there wasn't much NEED for stuff to be run at Euro-friendly times. Kind of a positive feedback loop effectively kiling off much chance of much being organised for Europeans.
Esme
CO, Kampfgeschwader 2 "Holzhammer"
*Yes, I know that not all US members will be able to make Friday TODs. Not all Europeans wil be able to make TODs arranged at Euro-friendly times, either. The important thing being to offer as much variety as possible to all, increasing everyone's chances of being able to attend something.
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Originally posted by Esme
Unless it were not at an anti-social time for Europeans, TODs on Sundays could well ensure that Kampfgeschwader 2 did not take part.
Iwould think (hope!) that if the Saturday TODs were rescheduled to Sundays, they would be at the same time - 3.00 pm Eastern time, 8.00 pm UK time and 9.00 pm CET. I wouldn't want them to be any later, as I like to be able to play in the MA for a while at the end of the day and, as it is, it would be after 10.00 pm before I got done when doing Setup CM duty (I can't leave early after getting shot down like the participants.... ;) ). Much earlier would mean those in Pacific time zones being tied up with church services. 3.00 pm I think has long been proved (certainly in AW) a good compromise time. :D
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Originally posted by sling322
I need to know what the problem is.
What can we do to get the participation back up where it was before?
....... I am beginning to get the feeling that we are wasting our time trying to keep fielding a Sat version of the TOD and it really bugs me because of the very vocal cries we had in the past about holding a Euro-friendly version of the TOD.
Would a different time benefit us? Would a different day be better? Please let me know what you think would be better....if its something we can do, we will give it a shot......
Well, sir, IMHO it would probably benefit as a repeat of the Friday TOD, for those folks on shifts, or different time zones.... Seems an awful chore to put out two TOD's in the same month, using two different sets of terrain, etc.
Just a thought, really, but maybe worth a shot, eh?
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Speaking for Swoop here, whos the CO for MAG-33.
Swoop is out of AH for a short bit, his mother is ill. I'll contact him and get a report. So far, our numbers turn out for Sat TOD have been low (5 avg. last Sat. TOD)
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:eek: Good grief, Rip...! Is it the timing of the event? I cannot imagine it being lack of interest at all. :(
Hope 'we' can get the numbers up soon, 'cause it would surely suck big time to lose the Saturday TOD.
Odee
PS I'm adding Swoop to my prayers that all goes well with his mother and family.