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Title: Cougar problem
Post by: DamnedBuzzard on April 29, 2002, 04:09:53 PM: Got my new Cougar in and fiddlin with it a bit. It's obviously much smarter than I am.

A couple questions for you folks that have more time with yer Cougar or more smarts than me:

In the AH stick mapping menu I can't get AH to recognize any of the buttons on the throttle. Any one know a fix for that?

Is it necessary to wipe out the AH stick mapper to use a program loaded into the Cougar (this is a question for some time in the far distant future after I figure out how to load a program into the cougar)

Thanks.
Title: Cougar problem
Post by: Revvin on April 29, 2002, 06:45:36 PM: Fire up the HOTAS Cougar Control Panel program and you'll see a big green button on the right of the screen saying "Button & Axis emulation is on" if you click this the button should go red and the stick will act like a normal joystick and the buttons on the Cougar will operate DX buttons in Windows.

You're going to miss out on a lot of the good stuff the Cougar can do, I've posted a profile in this forum, give that a try and see how you get on. The FOXY program is very each to use. If you'd like to try my profile unzip it to FOXY/FILES and then start the FOXY program then press the F8 key or go to the menu bar and select FILE - OPEN JOYSTICK FILE AND ASSOCIATED MACRO FILE and select my profile in the list then either press the F12 key to download the profile or go to the menu bar and select DOWNLOAD - DOWNLOAD XXX (XXX being the profile name you just opened) its as simple as that. Profiles can be made using FOXY or simple windows notepad. The wizards are extremely helpful and I hardly picked up the manual.
Title: Cougar problem
Post by: DamnedBuzzard on April 30, 2002, 08:05:54 AM: Thanks a heap Revvin. I've started (and stopped and started over again) workin with th Foxy program and amazingly enough gotten the hang of programming all the hats and buttons. No small leap for one as technologically inept as me.

Another question if you don't mind. I can't seem to get a smooth (perhaps manageable is a better term) response from the joy stick. I assume the JS is the x axis. I was usin and old TM topgun and had programmed the pitch axis in the AH JS setup. That same adjustment to pitch that worked well on my Topgun sends me into spinning embarassment with the Cougar. Any tips on how to scale the Cougar JS for us ham handed types so as to avoid death spirals would be greatly appreciated.
Title: Cougar problem
Post by: Revvin on April 30, 2002, 12:34:17 PM: I'm not quite sure what you are getting at there...is it a damper adjustment you need? you can map the axis in the Cougar Control Panel to set deadbands and responsiveness. Mine is at default and is fine for me although I know Nexx was playing around with a few settings.
Title: Cougar problem
Post by: AKDejaVu on April 30, 2002, 12:41:28 PM: I hate you and your cougar problems.
Title: Cougar problem
Post by: Revvin on April 30, 2002, 12:59:27 PM: Can you feel the love?
Title: Cougar problem
Post by: Reschke on April 30, 2002, 01:45:01 PM: I am right there with you on this DejaVu.

No offense meant here Revvin and Buzzard but I can't stand the thought of you guys already playing around with the Cougar. I hope your paint peels. :D
Title: Cougar problem
Post by: Revvin on April 30, 2002, 02:03:56 PM: This stick is just so damn marvelous :) love it to bits and have done for the last two weeks :D
Title: Cougar problem
Post by: SOB on April 30, 2002, 03:46:46 PM: Blanket party for Revvin!
Title: Cougar problem
Post by: Brent Stevens on May 01, 2002, 06:33:37 AM: Yeah lets get Revvin! :D
Title: Cougar problem
Post by: Revvin on May 01, 2002, 07:02:28 AM: Aww don't she look sweet on my desk :D

(http://www.101squadron.co.uk/images/misc/kitty_1.jpg)
Title: Cougar problem
Post by: fffreeze220 on May 01, 2002, 07:27:45 AM: Why u have a plastic from u on ur speakers ? :D :cool: :D
Title: Cougar problem
Post by: DamnedBuzzard on May 01, 2002, 08:19:15 AM: Nice layout Revvin, you neat freak you ;)

Nuther question please ?

The speed brake button on my throttle doesn't seem to work....that is when I go into Foxy GUI and select it it doesn't register. IS that a broken switch or am I again doin somethin wrong ?
Title: Cougar problem
Post by: Revvin on May 01, 2002, 11:02:34 AM: Speed brake button? which way? to the left is button T9 and to the right is the lataching button T10. Make sure you have the right settings as I mentioned above so that the Cougar acts as a normal DX stick.
Title: Cougar problem
Post by: SOB on May 01, 2002, 11:12:40 AM: Screw you Revvin, I've still got my digital F22 and TQS, who needs the freaking cougar! Plus, and 8" sub to rattle my nuts :D ...

(http://www.matthoffman.cc/bb/front-sticks.jpg)

(yeah, I'm hijacking this thread too, Reshke ya whiney bastard :p)

SOB

Oh who am I kidding, I want my Cougar! :)
Title: Cougar problem
Post by: DamnedBuzzard on May 01, 2002, 11:56:03 AM: Revvin you are a Prince among men. I am in your debt.

Turns out the only problem was a loose nut on the keyboard. I just wasn't applyin enough pressure to that switch. Workin fine now.

After about 3 days of stumblin thru Foxy and and the Cougar control panel it looks as if I've finally gained a modicum of understanding. Got all th buttons and hat switches doin what I want 'em to do. Got the x and y axis scaled so I don't spin everytime I try to turn.....life is good.

This setup is truly amazing. Never seen anything this programmable.

Thanks again.
Title: Cougar problem
Post by: Revvin on May 01, 2002, 12:09:07 PM: It's pretty easy once you make a start, I used to own a TM FLCS/TQS but that wassome years ago so I was more or less starting from scratch. I've never used such a well put together application as FOXY, so easy to use and yet so powerful. My profile on barely scratches the surface of what can be done with this bit of kit.

I'm glad I could help you and happy that you are now enjoying your Cougar. As for you others guys...:) sorry for winding you up, I'm sure you'll get yours soon enough but for now I'll just revel in the novelty of Europe getting something before the US market does :p does'nt happen often!
Title: Cougar problem
Post by: Revvin on May 01, 2002, 12:11:32 PM: Forgot to add...the T10/T9 switch can be a bit stiff at first but believe it me it does 'bed in' after a while....well I've had mine two weeks now :p (sorry Reschke, SOB and the guys could'nt resist :D)
Title: Cougar problem
Post by: DamnedBuzzard on May 01, 2002, 12:14:34 PM: Last question Revvin, I promise :)

With the airbrake in AH being shift +c what would be the button statement to apply that in Foxy?

BTN 9 (what goes here?)

Thanks again
Title: Cougar problem
Post by: DamnedBuzzard on May 01, 2002, 12:31:39 PM: OH NO.

SOB flies in a .................COMFY CHAIR
Title: Cougar problem
Post by: Revvin on May 01, 2002, 12:51:58 PM: Well you could either make a macro called 'airbrake = SHF c' and then map that to the T9 button or just map the buttons directly to the button ie 'BTN 9 {SHF C}'

I think that should do it, curly brackets make the button carry out both buttons presses or macros together, for instance my HAT1 up position goes a little somethign liek this:

BTN H1U /I /H {Look_Forward Look_Up}
/O /H Look_Forward

With just HAT 1 pressed up you look forward, if you press the S3 button with HAT 1 pressed up it carries out the look forward and look up command (keys KP5 and KP8) which gives you a view just over hte top rim of the cockpit. The macro's for these commands are:

Look_Up = KP5
Look_Forward = KP8
Title: Cougar problem
Post by: DamnedBuzzard on May 01, 2002, 02:59:08 PM: Quote
Originally posted by Revvin
Well you could either make a macro called 'airbrake = SHF c' and then map that to the T9 button or just map the buttons directly to the button ie 'BTN 9 {SHF C}'

I think that should do it, curly brackets make the button carry out

Thanks Revvin, I had tried that "BTN 9 {SHF C}" but I get an error message.

Still haven't figured out th macro stuff yet.
Title: Cougar problem
Post by: Revvin on May 01, 2002, 03:47:37 PM: Damn my mistake put the 'c' in lower case, it should have read {SHF c}
Title: Cougar problem
Post by: Reschke on May 01, 2002, 04:08:18 PM: Yeah SOB that was after a really bad day at the office. You whiney FDB head case. :p :D

It sucks to work for Germans who yell at you for everything that happens.
Title: Cougar problem
Post by: SOB on May 01, 2002, 04:44:47 PM: Quote
Originally posted by DamnedBuzzard
OH NO.

SOB flies in a .................COMFY CHAIR

I when I die, I get stuck with . . . SOFT CUSHIONS! :D
Title: Cougar problem
Post by: SOB on May 01, 2002, 04:45:54 PM: Quote
Originally posted by Reschke
Yeah SOB that was after a really bad day at the office. You whiney FDB head case. :p :D

It sucks to work for Germans who yell at you for everything that happens.

hehe, yeah I figured as much, so I chuckled when I read your little rant :p I DID vote on your poll tho'

SOB
Title: Cougar problem
Post by: bongo on May 02, 2002, 04:58:45 PM: Revvin i downloaded your AH file for the cougar, and cant seem to find where u put the brake sw :) everything else is great thanks for the file:D
Title: Cougar problem
Post by: Revvin on May 02, 2002, 05:05:02 PM: I use rudder pedals with toe brakes hence the lack of any brake button on the stick although there are macros for left and right wheel brakes as well as the main brake button the spacebar in my profile so you could remap one of the buttons. Before I had rudder pedals with toe brakes when using a FLCS/TQS I used the S4 button for brakes.
Title: Cougar problem
Post by: bongo on May 02, 2002, 05:07:59 PM: Thanks thats where i had them on my f22:)
Title: Cougar problem
Post by: Replicant on May 03, 2002, 06:10:56 PM: Quote
Originally posted by DamnedBuzzard

Another question if you don't mind. I can't seem to get a smooth (perhaps manageable is a better term) response from the joy stick. I assume the JS is the x axis. I was usin and old TM topgun and had programmed the pitch axis in the AH JS setup. That same adjustment to pitch that worked well on my Topgun sends me into spinning embarassment with the Cougar. Any tips on how to scale the Cougar JS for us ham handed types so as to avoid death spirals would be greatly appreciated.

I've been experimenting with scaling the Cougar using the AH joystick adjusting method; I haven't tried the actual Cougar adjusting tools yet.

I've got a fairly stable scale although rather strangely it is only okay with certain aircraft types. I mostly fly the Typhoon so I have it about right for that plane, and most others including the Seafire, but when I fly the Spitfire IX I get loads of nose bounce. I had to increase the deadband to try and calm it down a little. So, I'm still trying to find a decent scale but see below for what I'm using at the moment. The Roll scale is just a standard curve with no deadband or dampening.

Pitch Scale:-
(http://www.btinternet.com/~nexx/C.jpg)

Hope this helps?

Regards