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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Sandman on April 30, 2002, 07:07:52 PM
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Perfect!
Bush Countdown Clock (http://bushclock.lose.com/)
(http://bushclock.lose.com/images/desktop98_8.gif)
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Ummm it's off by 4 years.
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The pic was just an example... the code is at the link....
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Excellent script! A Countdown to his next term! :D
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Sandman
Who do you think the Dems could put up against Bush and win today?
Who in 2004?
If they don't run the finest smear campaign in history, they don't stand a chance ... unless they have their free cigs, booze and buses ready to drag every bum to vote as they tell them to :)
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blah it's a rip off of Rush Limbaugh's "America held hostige" when he'd count the days remaining in Komrad Klinton's term...
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Originally posted by Eagler
Sandman
Who do you think the Dems could put up against Bush and win today?
Who in 2004?
If they don't run the finest smear campaign in history, they don't stand a chance ... unless they have their free cigs, booze and buses ready to drag every bum to vote as they tell them to :)
Today? Probably no one. Bush is still riding the wave of the "war on terrorism." I expect that it will lose it's luster in the next couple of years and his approval rating will slide accordingly when the majority of the voters in this country (you know, the ones that didn't vote for him) remember why they didn't vote for him in the first place.
Who in 2004? Too soon to tell. Hell... Two years into Bush Sr's term, Clinton still hadn't entered the radar, IIRC.
I don't believe this war has given Bush a slam dunk into a second term... that is... unless he can keep it going for a few more years. Then again... staying at war might not be a good way to get re-elected either.
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People were saying the same thing about Bush Sr. in 1990. He proved those pundits wrong too.
Nothing is a slam dunk.
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Originally posted by midnight Target
People were saying the same thing about Bush Sr. in 1990. He proved those pundits wrong too.
Nothing is a slam dunk.
Yes, I agree, just wondering who u guys thought the dems would back as I cannot think of anyone either
Just funny how the dems caused Bush Sr to go against his "Read my lips, no new taxes" then used it against him while today you have the same dems screaming we can't live with Bush Jr's tax cuts. But then again they were always good at playing both sides of the fence, whatever works for the moment :)
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Just want to point out that I didn't vote for Gore either. :)
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I have done my share of third party voting over the years......my favorite was John Anderson in 1980. (a former republiclod I might add)
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I remember an old skit from Saturday Night Live about the Democratic Primary debates during Bush Sr.'s time in office. It was called "The race to see who will lose to President Bush." (or something like that) Then a recession was reported. Then I heard morons on TV saying they were not gonna spend any money cause there was a recession. (Ignore the fact that they were in the same position financially as before.) And then there really was a recession. Then somebody I never heard of before won the Democratic nomination, and then the presidency. It doesn't take that much to bring down a popular president. (I am not saying the recession was a liberal ploy. But boy did they capitalize on it. Especially when Bush tried to allay fears of a recession by denying it.)
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After the lessons of nixon, and clinton. I am extremely cautious about jumping on band wagons. You can brake an ankle that way.
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Originally posted by midnight Target
People were saying the same thing about Bush Sr. in 1990. He proved those pundits wrong too.
Nothing is a slam dunk.
you ever hear of ross perot?
BC didnt even get 50 percent. Eliminate Ross and Bush won hands down
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Originally posted by Krusher
you ever hear of ross perot?
BC didnt even get 50 percent. Eliminate Ross and Bush won hands down
btw thank Ralph for Bushes win.. he did the same thing to Gore that Perot did to bush.
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BC didnt even get 50 percent. Eliminate Ross and Bush won hands down
Eh? Where's the logic in that? Eliminate Clinton, abolish any opposition to Bush and he wins hands down.
Fancy that!
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Originally posted by Krusher
you ever hear of ross perot?
BC didnt even get 50 percent. Eliminate Ross and Bush won hands down
Sorry Krusher, but that is just not true:
It is also useful to examine the results of some of the Gallup Polls conducted prior to the 1992 Presidential election. A survey conducted during 13-15 October (less than 3 weeks before the election) asked voters whether there was any chance they would vote for a candidate other than the one they said they planned to vote for. Seventy-eight percent of Perot supporters said they might vote for another candidate as opposed to 43% of Bush supporters and 37% of Clinton supporters. When Perot supporters were asked what they would do if, in November, it looked like Perot could not win, 36% said they would vote for Perot anyway, while 26% said they would switch to Bush, 30% said they would switch to Clinton, and 8% expressed no opinion. These results also suggest strategic behavior.
Looks like Bush Sr. was the loser either way.
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Sand man,
Are you a libertarian?
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Actualy MT, there ia alot of truth in what krusher said. Ross Perot accumalated alot of conservative, and "on the wire" votes that would have wen't tothe Republican Candidate.
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Originally posted by -ammo-
Actualy MT, there ia alot of truth in what krusher said. Ross Perot accumalated alot of conservative, and "on the wire" votes that would have wen't tothe Republican Candidate.
All I'm going by is the Gallup poll data I posted above. Given the choice to change 36% stay with Perot, 30% go to Clinton, 26% go to Bush. This seems to indicate that Perot supporters were at the very least split as to the Dems or GOP, and actually leaned a little to the Dems.
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Perot did not pull many Dem votes. Do the math, that would leave Bush with a large percentage of those perot votes that did not abstain from voting.
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:confused: Aren't you reading the posts ammo? The Gallup poll taken 3 weeks before the election show more Perot voters would switch to Clinton than to Bush. Seems clear to me.
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I don't believe everything I read MT, sorry. I do know that Perot's economic way of thinking was far and away different from any socialistic and "tax and spend" style Dem. That post up there does not resemble anything I remember from the time period surrounding the 92 election.
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Only 994 more days until chimpy gets the boot......:cool:
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Actually, that would be 2,455 more days of your honorable President:D
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Originally posted by Pollock
Sand man,
Are you a libertarian?
Shite! The secret is out. :D
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Originally posted by -ammo-
Actually, that would be 2,455 more days of your honorable President:D
It boggles the mind to see a member of the Armed Forces support a *fortunate son* draft dodger.
Pleeaassseeee Daddy, buy me a slot in the National Guard, I don't wanna go to Vietnam. :rolleyes:
I would rather die than bear the dishonor of having that popsicle as my Commander in Chief.
Chimpy has no honor.
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I dont know weazel, I think that you have alot of hate for this man, and your opinion is slanted because of it. At least he served in some capacity (unlike that no-count non-man that held the office prior to him).
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Hate him?
I can't say that's true, instinctive dislike....yes, despise him... absolutely, and why does every republican always bring up that filth Clinton when they read something derogatory about chimpy?
Oh...I get it, theres no difference between the two and it confuses them. :D
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Actually for the stark contrast.
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Weazel, it's the usual strawman defense :)
Fact:
A is very bad.
Counter:
"Well, B is even worse!"
Does that make A good? :).
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I would rather die than bear the dishonor of having that popsicle as my Commander in Chief.
You going to go Alec Baldwin on us and claim that was taken out of context?
Santa when presented as a choice, yes that makes A very good indeed.
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How about Hillary for pres and Gore for VP <-again
LOL
:):)
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You going to go Alec Baldwin on us and claim that was taken out of context?
I don't get it......
Let me put it in black and white.
If they reinstated the draft and my number was called I would fight to the death before submitting to the disgrace of having chimpy as my CINC, he isn't fit to command a rubber ducky bath tub fleet....much less the US Armed Forces.
Put a decent and honorable man in the White House and I have no problem with reentering the armed forces, chimpy is neither.
At least he served in some capacity
Yeah, but he didn't show up for at least a year of his commitment.
At the least he is a deserter, and in time of war deserters are shot.
Too bad it was the "enlightened" seventies, if it had been during WW II he would have been disgraced and imprisoned...or shot.
In terms of magnitude chimpys crime is much worse than Clintons.
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Originally posted by Dowding
Eh? Where's the logic in that? Eliminate Clinton, abolish any opposition to Bush and he wins hands down.
Fancy that!
Most elections in the states have 2 party canidates. Every now and then a 3rd party canidate comes by and drains off some of the votes from one or the other party. Midnight is semi-correct in that 3 weeks before the actual election a poll did say that some democrats were planning on voting for Peot. Exit polls tell a different story, very few (dems) voted for the 3rd party canidate.
It is pretty well known that Ross had a personal grievence against the Bush family and aimed most if not all of his resources at hurting Bush Sr. I stick by my statement that Perot cost Bush the election.
Clinton Bush Perot
(DEM) (REP) (IND)
United States 43.0 37.4 18.9
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Had the liberal press (Make no mistake, it IS liberal!) done its' investigative homework back in 1992 the country might have been spared the foibles and scandals of the Clinton administration.
While he was no doubt innocent of some of things he was accused of, Clinton's character was tainted by the political background that he came from. Namely, the good-old-boy system of Arkansas politics. The Democratic Party has controlled the General Assembly of Arkansas without interruption since the end of Reconstruction. One hundred twenty-eight years of one party rule is not a good thing. For the first ninety years of that period they maintained control through the use of Jim Crow. For the last 35, they've maintained control by presenting themselves as the friends of the poor, the neglected, and the comman man.
After 128 years of such enlightened leadership Arkansas still ranks near the bottom of the 50 states in almost every category that matters.
You don't maintain such control by accident. Arkansas' political history is replete with instances of election officials tampering with ballots, back-stabbing, and abuse of power to cover up scandals. No Democratic leader would allow one of his own to be dragged through the mud of scandal if he could help it. (He may be the scum of the earth, but he's OUR scum!) Clinton was deeply mired in this good-old-boy system.
In 1990, in his last election campaign for Governor before the start of his first presidential campaign, Clinton found himself losing ground in the polls to his Republican challenger. Sheffield Nelson was a former Democrat who Clinton had once appointed to head a regulatory commission. The gas company that it regulated later closed its offices in Little Rock and relocated to Texas. Business and political leaders demanded an investigation to determine if Nelson had encouraged the company to move its offices in return for unnamed favors. This happened in 1986 I believe, although I don't remember for certain. A subsequent investigation by the State Government cleared Nelson of any wrong-doing. Case closed.
Or it should have been. As I said, in 1990 Clinton was losing ground in the polls to Nelson, who stood a good chance of unseating him in the election in November. Two weeks before election day, Clinton had some of his "boys" in the attorney general's office reopen the investigation of Nelson. This was done to the accompaniment of splashy television and newspaper coverage.
A former editor of the Arkansas Democrat-Gazette newspaper, John Robert Starr, who up until that time had been a Clinton supporter, asked him in a telephone conversation if he understood the meaning of the phrase "abuse of power." According to Starr, Clinton just laughed.
From that point on, Starr no longer counted himself as a Clinton supporter.
I'll not mention his sexual scandals, because that ground has been gone over so many times that the grass has been beaten flat. But suffice it to say that the Monica Lewinsky scandal caught no one in Arkansas by surprise.
Regards, Shuckins
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yea right :rolleyes:
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Your thought process is seriously screwed up if you think lying about a blow job is more serious than desertion in time of war.
Chimpy is a disgrace to the office he holds.
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My point, weazel, is that if you don't want to sound like an idiot stop saying idiodic things.
You say you wish you were dead, who are we to stop you? Or were you just foaming at the mouth again?
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Originally posted by weazel
Your thought process is seriously screwed up if you think lying about a blow job is more serious than desertion in time of war.
Chimpy is a disgrace to the office he holds.
psst, me thinks your thought process is "seriously screwed up" if you hold a higher regard for slick willie than GW
Slick's crimes go much deeper than head from a fat chick in the highest office in the land - though that should have gotten him thrown out and would have if he was a Republican, guess they don't expect more out of a handsomehunkcrat
Clinton wouldn't even put on the uniform, he was busy dodging the draft in Russia in the middle of the cold war .. but you keep "hating" Bush. You have about 6.5 more years too :)
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"President Bush got off to a great start. After all, expectations were low,"
Education:
http://www.ed.gov/PressReleases/01-2002/01252002b.html
http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2002/01/20020117-6.html
http://www.ed.gov/PressReleases/02-2001/wh-0226.html
Ecology:
http://www.e85fuel.com/news/successful_farming.htm
http://www.whitehouse.gov/infocus/environment/
Helping the poor:
http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2002/03/20020314-4.html
http://ur.rutgers.edu/medrel/viewArticle.phtml?ArticleID=2042
http://www.csmonitor.com/2002/0501/p01s01-uspo.html
All I can say is...thank GOD Gore didn't win..we'd really have a mess on our hands now especially after 9/11.
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Originally posted by Fatty
My point, weazel, is that if you don't want to sound like an idiot stop saying idiodic things.
(http://www.colute.net/cwm/cwm/cwm/rcain.gif) "Med----ication what a relaxation,
(http://www.colute.net/cwm/cwm/cwm/rcain.gif) Med----ication, what a way to go!
(http://www.colute.net/cwm/cwm/cwm/rcain.gif) First you have to pop the pill,
(http://www.colute.net/cwm/cwm/cwm/rcain.gif) Then you learn to sit real still,
(http://www.colute.net/cwm/cwm/cwm/rcain.gif) Pop the pill!
(http://www.colute.net/cwm/cwm/cwm/rcain.gif) Sit real still....
(http://www.colute.net/cwm/cwm/cwm/rcain.gif) Med---ication, what a relaxation,
(http://www.colute.net/cwm/cwm/cwm/rcain.gif) Med---ication what a way to go![/i]
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Originally posted by Krusher
..snip.. Midnight is semi-correct in that 3 weeks before the actual election a poll did say that some democrats were planning on voting for Perot. Exit polls tell a different story ...snip... I stick by my statement that Perot cost Bush the election.
Clinton Bush Perot
(DEM) (REP) (IND)
United States 43.0 37.4 18.9
While there is room for debate, it is not a forgone conclusion that Bush would have won. And the exit poll data DID NOT show a significant change from the polls taken 3 weeks prior to the election.
Political scientists and practioners have vigorously debated the role of Ross Perot in Clinton’s victory. Exit polls showed that Perot’s voters apparently split their preferences between Clinton and Bush nearly equally, although approximately a third of them likely would not have voted without him (Perot) on the ballot.
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You say you wish you were dead, who are we to stop you?
Where did say "I wish I were dead", or do you say that because I refuse to demean myself by recognizing him as my CINC?
It takes a hell of a lot better man than chimpy to make me bow down.
Yeah rip, you need some meds...maybe your wife can arrange some for you? :rolleyes:
Attack me all you like, it still doesn't make chimpy a good president, much less a man.
Eagler the only thing lower than a deserter is a child molester, AFAIK bubba was neither one, chimpy on the other hand........
You republicans are a funny lot, at least I have principles and am willing to declare and stand by them, you guys change direction like the wind blows.
George Orwell would have loved chimpy and his collection of liars and thugs, the title of his book should have been 2002 instead of 1984.
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If I was a true republican thru and thru, would I have voted for two Democrats on the last ballot? I don't think so. I vote the issues, not the party. Just happens that 80% of the issues I agree with fall in the Elephant party. Hell, if this was 1950, I'd be voting Dem...but as my father-in-law (whos 75) says.."I didn't leave the Democratic party, it left me!".
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Maybe my English is worse than I thought, but my interpretation of "I'd rather be dead" is that you would prefer death. Could you enlighten me as to the alternate meaning?
I see your clarification is that you would only commit suicide if you were called into service by the draft. That's a bit safer statement, as a draft is slightly less likely than Ted Kennedy winning the Boston Marathon.
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I see your clarification is that you would only commit suicide if you were called into service by the draft.
I said:
"I would fight to the death before submitting to the disgrace of having chimpy as my CINC, he isn't fit to command a rubber ducky bath tub fleet....much less the US Armed Forces."
It doesn't say anything about "suicide" fatboy, it means that if chimpy tried to force me to serve him in ANY fashion I would resist by all means possible...including deadly force.
Better to die fighting for your beliefs than someone you don't believe in.
You've shown you have no moral compass by supporting a deserter..... you probably still don't get it do you?
Waiting for your next personal attack or spin attempt.
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i didnt find SKIP button :D
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:p
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No spin attempt weazel, I just quoted you directly.
Should start a new thread, The Evolution of an Absolute Stance:
I would rather die than bear the dishonor of having that popsicle as my Commander in Chief.
morphed to....
If they reinstated the draft and my number was called I would fight to the death before submitting to the disgrace of having chimpy as my CINC, he isn't fit to command a rubber ducky bath tub fleet....much less the US Armed Forces.
morphed to....
Where did say "I wish I were dead", or do you say that because I refuse to demean myself by recognizing him as my CINC?
Anywhere I misquoted you please feel free to correct me. I could care less about defending our current president, I'm not even that fond of him (though I prefer status quo over the alternative seminary dropout who was going to run the country according to what jesus told him to do). Your frothing posts simply amuse me.
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Keep spinning, it seems your the only one too dense to take what I said at face value.
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Originally posted by weazel
Waiting for your next personal attack or spin attempt. [/i]
Then...
Keep spinning, it seems your the only one too dense to take what I said at face value.
"Pot, this is kettle, come in pot!"
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I think you mean I'm the only one too dense to read beyond face value?
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Originally posted by Ripsnort
"Pot, this is kettle, come in pot!"
Do my jabs at chimpy make you feel "attacked"?
If so you need to get a grip and quit associating your own self worth to that of chimpys, based on my past correspondence with you I know your a far better man than he is, try acting like it.
Or was it where I reponded to *your* personal attack?
"Med----ication what a relaxation,
Med----ication, what a way to go!
First you have to pop the pill,
Then you learn to sit real still,
Pop the pill!
Sit real still....
Med---ication, what a relaxation,
Med---ication what a way to go!
Your aware I have problems with depression, does that make me insane....or give you the right to stoop low enough to accuse me of it?
"I could care less about defending our current president, I'm not even that fond of him"
Fatty I'll just ignore you in the future, you've proved yourself to be a liar in this thread, I have no use for you.
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Hey, you can attack Bush all ya want, I actually get entertainment from it and forward this stuff on to a huge newsgroup for laughs! You got more folks watching your posts than you realize! :D I was quoting your personal attack on Fatty...Mr.Kettle. ;)
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Damn! Which lie gave me away?
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Email me the url...I'll entertain all your barneypublican buddys more frequently.
I enjoy reading the tripe chimpys party has brainwashed you guys with. :D
I still don't see where I attacked fatty, unless your referring to me using fatboy or dense.
One is just a variation of his CPID, the other is directed at his reasoning skills.
I'm sure you know if I wanted to attack him personally I would be a lot more nasty about it. ;)
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Weazel, quite frankly you have done more of the personal attacking here than anyone else in the thread.
The thing that continues to gall me about your viewpoint is your labeling of anyone not 100% in lockstep with you as having something seriously wrong with their morals, intelligence, or vision. Isn't that a little ironic?
As far as Fatty is concerned, he called you on the more overzealous statements you've made. You've gone to parsing your words to make them mean something other than the original connotation (where have we seen that before? ;)), but their intent was clear; you'd rather be dead than serve Bush. You did say:
I would rather die than bear the dishonor of having that popsicle as my Commander in Chief.
Well, guess what? He is.
You can be mad at Fatty all you like, but he nailed you fair and square, and even gave you some good advice. More and more you are coming off looking like a stark-raving lunatic, making Rush Limbaugh look like a liberal by comparison.
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Must be another super human quality only the ever so superior republicans have..... right? :rolleyes:
It boggles the mind to see a member of the Armed Forces support a *fortunate son* draft dodger.
Pleeaassseeee Daddy, buy me a slot in the National Guard, I don't wanna go to Vietnam.
I would rather die than bear the dishonor of having that popsicle as my Commander in Chief.
Chimpy has no honor.
The remark was directed to ammo, a "member of the Armed Forces", but fatty conviently "overlooked" that point of reference...just like your doing.
Taken out of context anything can be *spun* to paint it in a bad light.
I clarifed so fatty could understand my intent, he then tried spinning it into something else.
I should have known better than to respond to him as it's a common tactic he uses, I never expected you to join the "spin club" too.
As far as the chimp goes I'll never recognize an inferior to be in command of me, he may be your commander....I refuse to recognize him as mine.
You and others can worship and praise the little chimp all you like if it floats your boat...but I will never recognize him as anything but pond scum.
Respect is earned, so far chimpys in the negative column.
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...just pointing out your hypocracy. Criticizing others for throwing insults your way while you line the room with the mud you're slinging? Yup, suppose that's ok, after all, "You're right". :rolleyes:
Worshipping Bush? Where do you get that stuff? All I have ever said is he hasn't been proven guilty of wrongdoing. This is true, now you spin it how you like. Once again, :rolleyes: .
I don't think Bush is the anti-Christ... whoops, that analogy won't work, you don't believe in the anti-Christ, being the card-carrying, liberal Socialist you are. It IS ok to classify you that way based on the little bit of "information" you spew here?
Of course not.
But you do not hesitate to do likewise to all Republicans, Moderates, or anyone that does not mindlessly nod in ascension with everything you state as "fact".
The fact is, you are nothing more than another tree-hugging, "gotta-have-a-program-for-that", PDA-waving, latte-drinking, pro-choice, redistribution-of-wealth, gay-rights-marching, temple-pounding, "how-I-wish-it-were-the-sixties" closet protestor.
Whoops, there I go classifying you again based on the scant information you've provided... only YOU are allowed to do that...
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I'm a spinmeister pushing my political agenda thru complex rewording and subtle edits, completely changing the meaning of entire passages (so good at it I might add that I can do so and make it appear all I am doing is cutting and pasting weazel's posts). Just out of curiosity, what is my political agenda?
I couldn't find my worship Bush post, maybe I overlooked it back there somewhere. Unless you're talking about my response to StSanta saying that when presented as an either or choice the lesser of two evils is much more attractive than it would be standing on its own merit.
You're right about the common tactic though, I've been known to gravitate to the more ludicrous posts and poke and prod them like an eight breasted bearded woman at the freak show. There's just something intangibly entertaining in them.
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Thats pretty good kieran, and your right...I don't believe in the anti-christ.
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Originally posted by weazel
Must be another super human quality only the ever so superior republicans have..... right? :rolleyes:
The remark was directed to ammo, a "member of the Armed Forces", but fatty conviently "overlooked" that point of reference...just like your doing.
Taken out of context anything can be *spun* to paint it in a bad light.
I clarifed so fatty could understand my intent, he then tried spinning it into something else.
I should have known better than to respond to him as it's a common tactic he uses, I never expected you to join the "spin club" too.
As far as the chimp goes I'll never recognize an inferior to be in command of me, he may be your commander....I refuse to recognize him as mine.
You and others can worship and praise the little chimp all you like if it floats your boat...but I will never recognize him as anything but pond scum.
Respect is earned, so far chimpys in the negative column.
It should boggle you even further to realize that GW is getting a resounding approval throughout the US armed forces. Unlike the last scumbag who they had to order up rent-a-formation for his "few and far-between" visits to installations. GW packs the house when he visits, along with his staff!
Your accounts of GW are strictly personal driven, I doubt you could substantiate any of it.
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Originally posted by -ammo-
It should boggle you even further to realize that GW is getting a resounding approval throughout the US armed forces. Unlike the last scumbag who they had to order up rent-a-formation for his "few and far-between" visits to installations. GW packs the house when he visits, along with his staff!
Your accounts of GW are strictly personal driven, I doubt you could substantiate any of it.
No surprise there, Ammo. A large majority of people in the military almost always dislike the Democrats and prefer the Republicans.
Hell... I even liked Ronny Reagan when I was in the Navy.
...of course I was younger and less informed then. :D