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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: samu1 on April 21, 2001, 12:23:00 PM
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As you can see I don't post very often but I do read the board regularly. Those of you who were privilidged enough to remember the pre AH glory days of AW will also remember the different attitude overall. Almost everyone saluted each other after killing or being killed by an opponenet and it was common for plenty of friendly banter. Unfortunatly here in Aces High, it is much rarer for downed pilots to be saluted and much more importantly it is much more common in Aces High to hear battles over CH1 about the "HO CHog Dweeb" and the "Cheating Nik". Much worse are the insults pilots throw at each other. There seems to be a bad attitude in Aces High, instead of a bunch of WW2 combat fanatics logging on and having a laugh, guys log on and after getting beaten in a fight, start mouthing off about a porked FM, a cheater, a HO, the list is endless. Unfortunatly to say i think these "bad vibes" emitted by some are affecting others including me. When I came to AH I always <S> kills as often as I could and kept the old AW attitude. Now even I have been guilty of getting mouthy on Ch.1. Guys, this to me is the biggest flaw in AH, the lack of community spirit in the MA. This is just a game, whether you like it or not, it is a very good game IMHO. Is it too much to ask just to enjoy yourself online, isn't that what you pay for, if you enjoy getting into the flame wars on Ch.1, I think you should rethink your attitude. If you get shot down it is no shame, you fought, you lost, you'll have another chance when you re-up. I'd like everyone who hasn't fallen asleep by this stage and wants a better, more sporting attitude in the MA to post here, then, maybe we'll be able to work together to create an MA we can be proud of.
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Better to live on your feet than to die on your knees :)
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I think the best dogfights are when afterwards, you exchange friendly banter on private or on ch.1 with the enemy.
Was once in a fight with air_guard for almost 10 minutes - two G10s, and we couldn't put each other away. I finally pinged him and he nosed in.
Was very polite, respectful, and we chatted about the dogfight and what our mistakes were. (his were that he had gondolas (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif))
Wish every kill or killer would be that way!
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Here, here Moose, I'm glad someone knows the joys of friendly banter (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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mosse sounds like ya had a great time (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
i dont get them myself to often but they are the ones i enjoy the most (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)..<S>
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DRILL
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remove the chog and n1k, problem solved (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif) (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif) (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
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Since the whine comes up again. Ill bring the question up again. Name one thing that the nik does better than any other plane.
Ill grant the chog has the best guns. But why is it always the chog AND the n1k2. Half the planes will out run it. 2 or 3 will out turn it. 2 or 3 will out accelerate it. What is your whine based on.
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It is important to be polite for a game and for a comunity. I always salute those who killed me, I have the line which I normally paste when killed. It is as follows:
<S>. #%^@#$^ HO @%@Q$% cheater @$%@$% niki &*(&@#$ chog.
(http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Fariz
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Cause they arena is full of schoolgirls flying tough planes. They should leave the harder ones to us men and stay in the chog and n1k til they can fly them without crying.
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i'm not Whining about the niki or the Chog, I'm whining about the fact that people are so consumed with fighting and not with having a laugh and creating a great atmosphere that everyone can enjoy.
Everyone be happy (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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No flame wars or whiners in AW?
Maybe you were playing boxed AW offline.
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Hi Samu1: Yeah I agree. There seems to be some need in people to copy the lowest form of behavior stuff here in the US. I noticed on the news the other night that some folks were playing "smack down" wrestling and ended up going to the hospital. The lowest common denominator of behavior is used by TV moguls to trick people into watching that stuff but people copy it too. Barf-Gack!. Maybe the players here that have a consciousness should form a union or something. Most of the comments that I have gotten from sim developers (not including HTC)and sim Bboard editors state that you have to pretty much play with people you know and have some trust in to have good games. Oh well. But it is a definite problem and I think those of us who care should keep discussing the subject and maybe a solution will suface. EG: dogfighter.com has a comment on its bulletin board in th 'online' category.
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The problem with the N1K is that it's a very small plane with a quite big engine.
As it gets slow, as in zooms etc, it should have a terrible torque that'd twist it around. As it is, it just holds in the air, utterly stable.
It also holds e way too good IMHO.
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Name one thing that the nik does better than any other plane.
Here's a counter-question for you easymo (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Name one plane that does everything as well as the Nik? Turn, guns, climb, speed, e-retention?
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What happened to the original question?
<--- is surprised how any topic can be diverted into a chog/nikki thread!
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How can it do "everything" When it does not do anything best.
Just a hint. The reason I fly it, is it does the very thing that people claim it doesnt do, very well.
[This message has been edited by easymo (edited 04-21-2001).]
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Your N1k can pick up sheep?
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If you are still having trouble with the Chog and nikki shooting you down, maybe you should think of moving to a flight sim that matches your ability, AW, FA2 or some box sim of some sort.
Back to Samu1's original post: I agree this is a harsh community. I can accept it and live with it because the unruly ones really won't last as they are the ones that will move on when the next sim comes around. Samu1, as time passes I think you will wittiness a change in the community to the better, it just takes time for the obnoxious ones to get their kicks and move on to fresh pastures.
Long live the VMF525, sure miss them!!! I hope they get tired of brand "w" and move to AH!!
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yeah I agree. too much whining.
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Nethawk:Does your squad openly shoot down chutes?
Fatty:At times, but only if they want to.
Nethawk:Theyre scum
Fatty:cc they are scum
Fatty: as am I[/b]
Fat DRUNK Bastards
[This message has been edited by Animal (edited 04-21-2001).]
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Easymo: It's that no other plane has the combination of performance that the N1k does.
I also agree with Santa, the torque effects are too small in general..
I've found that there's only a small group of people who fly n1k regularly, and a huge majority who hate the POS.
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This thread is about behaviour in AH. Chog/Nik1 whiners please go elswhere and not try and hijack this discussion.
Sumu1: I agree completely although I found the immature grizzling, moaning and personal vendettas just as bad in AW as it is here. I too would like to <S> my occasional kills but the amount of juvenile rubbish on Ch1 means the text buffer scrolls so fast I risk missing important country/squad messages. So I squelch it as soon as I enter the game.
It would be nice if there was a moderator online who could mute these people if they didn't respond to a warning, but then some would end their accounts rather than modify their behaviour - and AH is a business like any other.
Best wishes,
Tjay
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Well said samu1 .
I see your from UK and since I have been online ( 3 years ) have only meet one person that I didn't like from England .
I truly wish that was the case for the US (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/frown.gif)
I think BBGunn made a good point about the TV shows . Personally I hate Jerry Springer type shows .
Take care
spro
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[This message has been edited by airspro (edited 04-22-2001).]
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Didn't you know airspro, all us English are nice, its in the genes (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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Better to die on your feet than to live on your knees :)
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Nice post samu1,
I still beleive in "trying" to salute all who shoot me down (that one keeps me busy (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif) ) and those who I shoot down.
There are few that don't respond in kind but the majority do and that is good. I think we will all eventually reach a point where we, as a comunity, will be able enjoy the "fun" of flying together and against each other and most of those who have lost the fun factor move on to other interests.
Salute all!
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This is a long post and I'm not sure if it even makes much sense after reading it.. but here it goes anyway (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
I played AW for 3 years and I never was a very good pilot, but I developed alot of real friendships there and this is what I really enjoyed about the game. Joining a squad (the CMC) was one of the best things I ever did. I will never forget those Thursday nights in the Officers club waiting for our next mission. We talked about things other than the game. I knew things about everyones personal lives.
I did notice one thing. I mostly flew in the FR arenas, and there it seemed that everyone was very chivalrous.. If I went to the RR arenas, well, there is where I noticed a major drop in maturity level (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif).. With one exception. It seemed to me that anyone in a squad usually conducted themselves very well. This was a common factor.
But getting back to AH. I am currently not a paying member due to financial .. well.. problems.. I will be when I get my SH## together..
Here is what I noticed about AH when I did fly in the regular arenas: I saw alot chatter on channel one, yes, but there also was alot of chivalry. I mean, it was all mixed up, but it was there. Amongst the name calling as the text buffer scrolled by there were many "good kill" and "<S>" messages... I noticed also that the better flyers usually were the polite ones. I remember Frenchy once handing my bellybutton to me on a platter after "toying" with me for many minutes on the deck.. and immediately saying "good flying" and then talking to me about what I should have done differently. This has always been my experience with the better flyers here. Even if I do something like run away from a fight, or HO someone.. It seems like the better pilots accept this as part of the game and don't whine about it.
I was thinking about what is missing in AH that AW had, as far as the community. The only thing I can think of is that generations have changed. This is not meant to sound elist, but when I first joined AW, most of the flyers were a little older and were REAL BIG WW2 fans, or so it seemed. I think today, the alot of the people playing are looking for the "shoot em up" WWF DOOM type game..I don't know.. maybe it's me..
Since at this time I'm not a paying member, I'm not sure how the scenarios are going, but this was one thing I REALLY liked about AW. I also think that in AW, more attention was paid to supplies and this added an interesting aspect to the game..
I really think that in time, the people causing all the trouble will get tired of paying $30 for getting killed constantly, and that group will slowly fade away..
Who knows
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the arena creates the attitude. the more importance you place on "winning" the more pissy most people get.
The less action in an arena the more pissy most people get.
if you make an arena that is late war cntric and involves something really dumb like say a perk system.... people will fly cautiously and kills will be mostly of the "gangbang or be gangbanged" variety. kills will be farther apart and therefore more frustrating for both those who get killed and those who have a kill "get away".
poor gameplay like say punitive strat causes hard feelings and exacerbates the above. even the most even tempered get frustrated and uptight with the current setup.
lazs
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<S> Sam! Good post!
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niki's and chogs are spit food (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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<Doddering ol' Bullethead wakes from his doze, wipes the drool from his chin, blinks a few times, and decides the whippersnappers need settin' straight.>
Listen up, sonny. I dunno about this "good ol' days of love and sharing" crap. T'weren't no such thing. It was really like this:
I started flyin' DOS AW way back in '94, when even WB (then called CK) was still an itch in ol' HT's pants. AW at that time was about 7 years old an' had deep traditions of Hate an' the ol' Dark Side. In them Ancient Days of Gods an' Heroes, ch 1 in the RT arena (now called FR) was filled with bile. A lot of it was about HOs (which were possible in AW back then) and doing cheat moves like spin turns, too. So nothin's new there. Only thing that changed along the way was AW finally caved-in to the whiners an' did away with HOs, but they still had the spin moves and porked planes to spew about on ch 1.
An' it t'weren't just in the arena where the Hate flowed neither, it was everywhere pilots got together. The G*sux message board, for example. An' the vitriolic spew on alt.games.air-warrior was weapons-grade. An' o'course the raw HATE poured out on the mailing lists during DoK's scenarios was beyon' belief. Where d'ye think his "Hate Page" came from? Hell, the Hate was even an advertised feature cuz back then, pilots could take it. Not like the momma's boys of today. <spit>
Now all the Old Gods of DOS AW, guys who been flyin' an' Hatin' online 10 or 15 years, are building and flying AH. So what the Hell d'ye expect, roses on your birthday?
I'll tell you what the difference is 'tween then an' now. It's that back then, the Hate was an accepted nacher'l part o' the game. Ye'd try an' get under the bastid's skin, so he'd go berserk an' be easier to kill again, so he'd get more berserk, an' so on, until you made him log off in ego meltdown an' throw his joystick agin' the wall! Jus' another weapon ye had. T'weren't none of this whinin' 'bout verbal "personal attacks" like y'see all the dam' time in these sorry latter days, no sirree, cuz the whole point o' the friggin' game was to personally attack an' KILL the bastid. So ye learned ACM an' ye learned how to Hate. All part o' the game. Iffen some whinin' dweeb'd suggested havin' moderators, he'd a'been tarred an' feathered by the community, with the Kesmoids leadin' the pack, I don't doubt.
That's not to say it t'weren't a tight community back then. Pilots'd get together for a few drinks now an' agin withou' killin' each other for real, mostly. Sorta like a temporary truce, but Gawd help anybody flyin' durin' the Con. An' iffen some pilot had a personal disaster, everybody'd chip in, even his Most Hated Enemas. Cuz the Hate was part of the GAME, an' most o'us, we knew it was only a game, mostly. But the game was WAR, an' we was for dam' sho' gonna win it even if we couldn't capture but 3 outta 10 or 20 fields on the whole map, so we always wore our warpaint an' bloody scalps on the battlefield, which was pretty much anywhere we might meet the enemas.
I'll tell ye somethin' else 'bout them High an' Far Off Days, too. T'weren't none o' this BS salutin' ev'ry friggin' kill an' killer--that don' mean nothin' 'ceptin' you can't tell a good pilot from a dweeb. Back then, to get a salute, ye had to EARN it by puttin' up a decent fight. Iffen ye didn't, all ye heard on ch 1 was how ye died like a dweeb, an' ye were 'spected to respon' with "BITE ME!"
Iffen ye want politeness 'tween opponents, or the payin' o' false respect ye don' really mean nor deserve ev'ry time somebody scores, then don' play a game where the object is killin' an' bombin' the enemas off the face o' the earth. Genocide ain't meant to be pretty.
That's all I got to say. Now where'd I put my dentures? Snorkzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz zz
-Bullethead <CAF>
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In wine there is wisdom, in beer there is strength, in water there is bacteria
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Originally posted by Bullethead:
<Doddering ol' Bullethead wakes from his doze, wipes the drool from his chin, blinks a few times, and decides the whippersnappers need settin' straight.>
Byte me graybeard....
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Otter
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Otter said:
Byte me graybeard....
Eh? Maybe there's hope for this generation yet. But put some real HATE into it, sonny. There's no teeth in your "byte".
-Bullethead <CAF>
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Bullethead,
Tonight I'll make my wife call me Bullethead in celebration of that post.
<S> (yeah.. you earned it)
AKDejaVu
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Hmmm, my premonition comes true, you'll see by posts awhile back during the big Chog whine fest that I said "next they will whine about the N1K, and want it removed (perked, by todays standards), then, whats next? There will always be a plane that someone has to base their excuse for dying not to pilot ability, but to what the enemy pilot is flying".
I hate it when I can read the future. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
FTR:Perking the Chog will only take it out of the hands of incompetent and relatively green flyers, and it will remain in the hands of very competent flyers...(After all, most of these pilots would survive, and alot have perkies built up) so your problem would be only that the newbies wouldn't be killing you anymore, you will still be getting shot down by the good pilots. However, I would support the decision by HTC to perk it if they give us the -1A. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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Bullethead - great post. I see where I've been going wrong. Not enough emotional histrionics. I'll work on it!
Best wishes,
Tjay
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Ill be the first to tell ya nice kill. I type it better than anyone in Aces High. (Practice). Good luck on getting others to share that though. I come from another sim that is much easier than this one. I was lets say , Not great but could hold my own with most in that sim. Since I have been in Aces High I have went back there a couple of times and just raped em. ALWAYS got a nice job from them. They just seemed a little less ticked about the whole thing than alot do in here. I play this sim because its FUN first and learning 2nd. I have done my share in the former sim of squeaking..But after thinking about it it was mainly due to lack of talent more than anything. I truly suck in this game. People in here are way more competetive than the other. I hope the "Bad Asses" that they seem to think they are get bored and leave someday. Let us "Dweebs" play and have fun. But I doubt that ever happens. I was brought up a bit different than todays players I guess. It's not whether you win or lose , it's how you play the game doesnt work here. Thats to bad to. Because playing the GAME is what its all about.
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Originally posted by Moose11:
What happened to the original question?
<--- is surprised how any topic can be diverted into a chog/nikki thread!
<------Not surprised one bit.
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Lazs: interesting point you made. I think the behavior did changed after the perk system went into affect. I don't see much good coming out the perk thing-in fact I have no idea where this game is going other than there may be more planes and more pilots with bad 'altitudes'.