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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: Hans on March 13, 2001, 03:08:00 AM
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I've actually been surprised. I have seen a few bases under ground attack by colums of vehicles, but nobody other than me has flown our new anti-tank plane to stop them.
The Yak-9T, armed with the 37mm AT cannon. I've killed tanks in ONE hit with the 37mm gun.
As a fighter the Yak-9T is worse, as it has the normal VK105 engine and some wood construction.
Or didn't anybody notice that the Yak-9U we've had for awhile now was the hotrod of the Yak-9s? The powerful VK107 engine and all metal construction.
Has anybody else noticed that nobody strafes with the Yak-9T?
Hans.
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My anti tank tool used to be F4U-1C by means of a ver very low pass and straffing the rear of the vehicles. If not killed at the first pass, I usually got them inmovilized and/or with fire capability dissabled.
My very first day in the new arena, I decided to get the tank-killer Yak, but the results were so unimpressive that I have not taking it since...
Plz tell me your secret then... who you kill tanks dead with the new Yak?
GADGET
(http://www.geocities.com/ala-10/_private/FIRMA.gif)
101 Escuadrón de Combate Virtual (http://www.geocities.com/ala-10/)
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I've killed a couple of osties with it, don't remember if I killed a tank. It is really very easy, I made my kills in one pass. Just shot at the target and hit it.
(http://home.att.net/~lmluper/P47.jpg) (http://www.jump.net/~cs3)
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jup, the 9T is hell on AFVs. Racked up 2 ostwinds and an M-16 (though a -1C had to finish the M-16 after I put 4 37mm shells into it???). Went on to get a literal 1ping kill on a -1C. Single 37mm round to his starboard wing root (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif). Then picked up a couple of assists using the MGs while sitting on my 7 37mm rounds waiting on the perfect shot opportunity.
Saw a yak coming at me with a couple other bandits behind him. Put the nose down and headed for the fleet and some friendlies. Crossed the coastal 'shelf' and nosed down for 0g accel and this other yak kept closing fast.. musta been a 9U. Displacement rolled around him and threw him out in front, then he tried a suicide dive on the fleet and one of the fleet gunners got him (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
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I tried it. It turned out to be Hitech himself driving the tank.
I made 3 strafing runs firing the cannon only and I saw many hits. I ended up emptying the entire magazine with no effect.
As I was egressing on the last run, he took off my wing with the cupola gun.
So either something in the internet was VERY screwy (didn't see any lag tho), Hitech was "testing" the new King Tiger perk tank (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif) , or the 37mm didn't work as advertised against tanks.
*shrugs*
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Vermillion
**MOL**, Men of Leisure
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I use it in the anti-tank role and it rocks.
Opens up Panzers like a can-opener. I've had more than a few multiple panzer kill sorties in it.
Oh....and its great medium bomber killer also.
Cobra
[This message has been edited by Cobra (edited 03-13-2001).]
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Hehe - it'll sure waste an M3 (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
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PakRat
63rd FS, 56th FG
"Zemke's Wolfpack"
(http://home.att.net/~ahpakrat/pakrat.jpg)
"I see dead people"
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Originally posted by GADGET:
My anti tank tool used to be F4U-1C by means of a ver very low pass and straffing the rear of the vehicles. If not killed at the first pass, I usually got them inmovilized and/or with fire capability dissabled.
My very first day in the new arena, I decided to get the tank-killer Yak, but the results were so unimpressive that I have not taking it since...
Plz tell me your secret then... who you kill tanks dead with the new Yak?
GADGET
(http://www.geocities.com/ala-10/_private/FIRMA.gif)
101 Escuadrón de Combate Virtual (http://www.geocities.com/ala-10/)
..and thats why hispano AT capability should be reduced.
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I accidentally grabbed a 9T instead of my trusty 9U and didn't realize it until I started firing at a Dora. The gun noise suprised the $#!+ ot of me and the rounds were falling low. I raised the nose and watched the 190 disintigrate with 1 ping.
...then I tried to egress as an F4u decided to pull in behind me. I had my usuall sly grin that is normal whenever an F4u tries to follow my yak.. that's when I realized it didn't have quite the kick that my 9U has. I did manage to evade the F4u, but another Dora came in to get me before I could finish him off. Was my last Yak-9T sortie.
AKDejaVu
[This message has been edited by AKDejaVu (edited 03-13-2001).]
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I love the Yak-9T with the "Demolisher" (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
Two rounds will take out most GV's including PT boats and Panzers take a bit more. And Spitfires take one round to remove the tail. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif) I wish I could remove the MG's for the weight savings. I just don't use em.
Easist way I've found to kill any GV or PTboat is to come down verticly on them. Don't forget to chop the throttle all the way to zero! Then literally "drop" fire a 37mm round or two onto them and then pull up quick, full throttle and wep it away in case you missed and the got a bead on you with thier aa gun.
-Westy
[This message has been edited by Westy (edited 03-13-2001).]
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I had similar success with the 9T against GV's, Hans. Would like to see an "attack" option selection for it since will probably only use it in that role.
Currently, the kills against GV's doesn't show up in the kill column over on the stats page. Aircraft has to be setup as "attack" plane for that to occur. Until that happens, we will have to settle for the satisfaction that we have a good Russian plane for killing armour and leave it at that.
RAS (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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Now let's have the Yak-9K (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
(replace 37mm NS with 45mm Bo or KS, not sure which)
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pzvg- "5 years and I still can't shoot"
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"Until that happens, we will have to settle for the satisfaction that we have a good Russian plane for killing armour and leave it at that."
That works for me. I could care less about points as I just enjoy the kill. It would be nice of they added the attack points to the flight profile for folks who want them.
-Westy
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Originally posted by RAS:
Would like to see an "attack" option selection for it since will probably only use it in that role.
Correct . the yak9t is listed as a fighter only...looks like an attacker to me .
what was its actual role in WW2 ? Leonid ?? (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
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Spooky67
56th (Fighter) FIREBIRDS RAF
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"Ten Feet Tall and Bulletproof"
(I am overmodelled ! )
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Originally posted by Hans:
The Yak9T...kills tanks dead...oasties too.
Yep (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif) And I like it!
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I love it, it's a blast. On the other hand, if I'm defending a base under heavy attack, I prefer a fighter with eggs so I can drop on vehicles then engage.
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It's actual role was as a Fighter. The Yak-9T was the stopgap between the Yak-9D and 9U. By putting a higher caliber guns you could effectivly increase the lethality of the fighter to offset it's decreasing performance against better enemy planes. All Yak-9T loaded pure HE rounds until the 9U replaced it on the front line, then it loaded mixed AP belts so it could attack ground targets too. The gun on the 9T BTW was the only VVS aircraft mounted cannon that has confirmed Tiger kills (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif) YMMV....
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Well I tried it once on an Ostwind... Hits to the side of his turret... No damage... My plane explodes...
But I am glad to hear that it works on Panzers! I will definitely use it for that purpose.
PS It is a NICE dogfighter also. I gave a couple of Spits a 37 mm headache on Sunday. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
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Originally posted by funked:
Well I tried it once on an Ostwind... Hits to the side of his turret... No damage... My plane explodes...
But I am glad to hear that it works on Panzers! I will definitely use it for that purpose.
I don't get it...took one up first day of 1.06 and put no less than 12 37mm rounds into a tank with no visible damage...that was with good connect too. I hate them damn 37mm rubber bullets!
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Lars
***MOL***
Men Of Leisure
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Not sure why it is so effective. Ive taken lota hits in me tank from Osties and a most lost a track and then kilt the Ostie.
Anyone know the major difference between the 2 37mm??? Why would a Yak be able to kill a tank 1 pass and 2 Osties cant. Yup, takin hits from 2 Osties but i kilt em both quickly.
Dog out........
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re: Wardog
Maybe the extra straffing speed helps?
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Well it doesn't work. I scored five hits on a panzer tonight with my 37mm gun, at about 250 yards, and he was still driving and shooting. His MG 34 (LOL) then knocked off my vertical stabilizer.
[This message has been edited by funked (edited 03-13-2001).]
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Wardog,
top armour on most AFVs is mighty thin, usually 10mm.
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leonid, Kompol
5 GIAP VVS-KA, Knights (http://www.adamfive.com/guerrero)
"Our cause is just. The enemy will be crushed. Victory will be ours."
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Funked,
I attack them from a very steep angle. Usually 1 pass is all it takes.
I also found that if you dive almost straight down on an Osty, 1 pass will kill it using hispanos.
Cobra
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Funny...I've been killing Ostwind/Panzers with INDIRECT hits believe it or not. I've landed some close hits in the dirt that were close enough to knock out the turrent/treads where the tank driver ditched so I got the kill.
Got alot of 1 ping kills too...provide you hit the front, rear or top armor. Hitting the turrent and side hull does nil.
Anyone notice the 37mm has a range of like 2k? I didn't even notice how far it shot till I was offline messing with it.
In response as to why the VVS 37mm kills armor so much easier then the Flak VR on the Ostwind...
The damage model on armor is way over simplified. Even with either of the massive 37mm's fitted to air planes, the roofing/engine grill had to be attacked for a sure knock out in real life. Attacking the 80mm thick frontal, 30mm side and read armor on the Pz IV was futile with any small caliber (Hispano included) because they are not really capable of penetrating that much armor. And neither were the 37mm's from any kind of range. The Ostwind must always hit the thickest armor of the tank (because in order to arc for the roof the round loses alot of it's kinetic energy at the ranges needed to do so) and is not very effective. The planes however can attack the roof armor from a high angle where enough kinetic energy is retained to punch through (In real life). As a gameplay concession, armor penetration is augmented on aircraft guns, to a point, to compensate for the complex strike angles and other terminal ballastic calculations regarding a several hundred mile an hour air plane attacking an armored surface. In other words, you don't actually have to aim for the roof armor/engine decking to kill the tank, because in essence it's not really like armor, but more like a very tough object. I've bore witness to what enough .50 can do to a tank, although a overloaded P-47 with 90% hits barely has enough to blow a track of a Panzer. But it can, with enough hits.
- Bess
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I absolutely love the Yak-9T! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif) I've currently got 41:6 k/d and it opens up anything I've hit so far. Some Pnzrs/Osties only take 2 or 3 hits, but others can take 10-20 hits. M3s or M16s usually take 1 or 2. Very good against fighters too! My favourite was diving down on a Typhoon that was running at 450mph.... I took it's wing straight off! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Regards
'Nexx'
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Has anyone come up with a ranging sight for the T bird?
Yeager
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Is the T as good in the vertical as the U? I haven't flown the T model (Rip always puts me in chevy flight (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif))much yet.
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Kills tanks.....dead....forever.... now with a fresh pine scent
(http://home.tampabay.rr.com/strategy/yak9.jpg)
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I use the standard issue HTC gun sight pending a historical sight.
But what I do now is shoot above thier cockpit when I see they are going to make a second HO run at me (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
-Westy
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Ah, but you get no points for killing GVs in a Yak.
Or is it just me?
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Sky Viper
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Points?
Bah!
I just love watching em "pop" I enjoy knowing that with my Magnumski of the sky that I just blew someones virtual bellybutton out of it's seat and made him start over (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
-Westy
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Dunno how far the "T" will shoot but know for a fact that the 37mm on the ostwind will put a plane down at 6.1 (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif) (again Deja, sorry bout that, didn't really think I was gonna hit ya, just passing time until Curly got into attack range again)
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pzvg- "5 years and I still can't shoot"
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Originally posted by Westy:
Points?
Bah!
I just love watching em "pop" I enjoy knowing that with my Magnumski of the sky that I just blew someones virtual bellybutton out of it's seat and made him start over (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
-Westy
Well, up to now, I would have said the same.
However, the forced limitations imposed on us by the Perk system causes me to need attack points should I desire to make Ar 234 runs with my Squad.
Of course, I can always fly cover, but where's the fun in covering a nearly untouchable attack aircraft?
IMHO, this whole thing is out of control at the moment.
But then, it is my oppinion.
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Sky Viper
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CC Skycviper. But nothing is forced on us. I'm in the same boat as you in that I do not have enough 'points' to launch in an Arado should the MOL choose to on squad night.
My choice is to fly fighters in aircombat unless I see a pesky GV and I go for it. The other MOL's have chosen to do jabo raids, bomber mission and GV attacks. They're choice. I'm not forced to do anything other than choose. I've not made any attempt nor chosen to score flights to earn attack points.
-Westy