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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: Preon1 on May 06, 2002, 10:13:12 PM
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I'm trying to convince my fiancée to try out Aces High (figure if she starts playing then it might avoid some problems in the future :cool: ) However, she's worried about being no good and also about being one of a very small minority of females in the community. (suppose she's worried about getting harassed?)
I know I can teach her how to fly, but does anybody have a suggestion about the second problem? Should I just give up?
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"Quid Pro Quo" Preon1. Take her shopping for 2 hours if she will learn to fly with you online for 2 hours :).
Of course, this has never worked for me!
Tango, XO
412th FS Braunco Mustangs
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Tell her that if she doesnt try it you will be late for the wedding, probably cheating with her best friend.
She may just dump you instead of playing, but at least you wont be a fool by tieing the knot.
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you may also add that you will be an abusive husband if she is not interested in your hobbies.
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Do like animal does. Be rude, act drunk, and we will never know you're a woman.
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These suggestions aren't really helping. Stuff like this would more than likely just find me on the couch.
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Maybe just let her WATCH the text buffer for an hour or two. In an hour, she'll she many whines, idiots being...well...idiots (me), and much good natured humor.
What will be DOUBTFUL she sees his cruel-natured jokes and harrasment. If she does, it was a terrible night.
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Originally posted by Preon1
I'm trying to convince my fiancée to try out Aces High (figure if she starts playing then it might avoid some problems in the future :cool: ) However, she's worried about being no good and also about being one of a very small minority of females in the community. (suppose she's worried about getting harassed?)
Sounds like she is already reasonably interested in AH, which is a good start! If she is worried about her performance, why not start off by showing her the mannable field/ship ack guns? That way she can concentrate on having fun trying to shoot down the enemies without having to think about flying or driving. Once she has a few kills in those, maybe move on to gunning in a bomber, followed by taking vehicles and PT boats and finally aircraft, as her confidence and skills improve. Main thing is to be sure she has fun and a chance of some success - hopefully as she starts seeing results she will want to do more! :)
As for harrassment.... well I can honestly say that in my almost 4 years of flying, firstly in AW and more recently here, I have never had any kind of harrassment - everyone has always been extremely friendly.... as long as she is not easily offended by some of the conversations going on all around.... :) I usually find that even though I have what I think is a fairly obvious female GameID, most people who don't know me persume I am male anyway, and may only realise I am female after hearing me on vox. There may not be many of us female players in AH yet, but I am sure that will continue to change, especially as more former AW female pilots find their way here.
I know I can teach her how to fly, but does anybody have a suggestion about the second problem? Should I just give up?
No, do not give up.... as long as she shows some kind of interest, keep pushing and encouraging her; explain as much as you can about everything going on around - the map, radio channels, squads, etc. The more she understands, the more she will want to play and improve her skills! Good Luck! ;)
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tell her about the fluffs in the game. No woman can resist flying em.
lazs
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Wait until you are married to make this important decision.
You may find that you don't want really want to add, "Didn't I tell you to kill the acks?!?"....to, "You forgot to refill the toilet paper again!".
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I recommend that you plan a wedding ceremony in the Main Arena. You and your beloved can ride in an open M-16 down a runway with attendees parked on both sides for the entire length of the runway. It would be beautiful, and would bind her to Aces High, whether she flys or not. I'm sure we would all be willing to help you out with that ... :D
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let her join our squad, we'll take care of her. :D
and make sure there is no hairyassment. we'll teach her the ways of the FDB.
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Your fiancée like leather?
Drex
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Originally posted by Preon1
I'm trying to convince my fiancée to try out *a 3-some*(figure if she starts playing then it might avoid some problems in the future :cool: ) However, she's worried about being no good and also about being one of a very small minority of females in the community. (suppose she's worried about getting harassed?)
I know I can teach her how to *Be-with another woman while I watch, participate, and possibly video tape*, but does anybody have a suggestion about the second problem? Should I just give up?
Preon, I hope you don't mind. I don't have time to type my own question so I just edited yours for my own problem.
Thanks...
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The RATS have had Sweetie, Dawn, Bambi and Lalust flying in the squad off and on now for years. This may be an "old boys" club, but there are still enough women flying to keep a few of us civilized :)
It took me 3 years to convince Lalust to fly with us (my better half)
I believe that she will enjoy the game as long as you show an intrest in her progress as a pilot. It may sound sexist, but I am pretty sure she will (starting out at least) be flying for you, not her.
oh yea, squelch 1 so she dosnt have to listen to the word wars.
Lalust has mentioned that she never knew men could squeak so much before hehe.
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Directed at the sick posts - You guys are sick :p.
Tango, XO
412th FS Braunco Mustangs
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lol Tac
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there are more females flyin AH than most of us realize ... thats a fact!!
just choose a nickname that isn't obviously female and stay off vox +)
SKurj
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Flossy, go fly a fighter for once. :p
hehe, see, she gets harassed constantly. :D
Just let her try it out. So what if she's not any good. How many of us starting from scratch were any good? Some of us (me!) still aren't good after a year! I haven't seen one instance of a female being picked on, harassed or even hit on in the text buffer. I don't think she has a thing to worry about in that aspect.
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Originally posted by SKurj
just choose a nickname that isn't obviously female and stay off vox +)
No need to stay off vox - most guys i hear sound like teenage girls breathing helium.
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Originally posted by Nifty
Flossy, go fly a fighter for once. :p
No! :p
hehe, see, she gets harassed constantly. :D
Yeah, Nifty's always harassing me to fly a fighter! I'm sure he just wants to see me spin in when I lose control.... or get shot down as I flounder around the sky with a big target on my back saying "Shoot Me" :o
So what if she's not any good. How many of us starting from scratch were any good?
Exactly! We all have to start somewhere - with varying degrees of success - but who cares anyway, as long as we have fun? :)
I haven't seen one instance of a female being picked on, harassed or even hit on in the text buffer.
Well, I certainly haven't ever been picked on (in fact guys tend to be very protective of me! ;) ) - and the only times I get "hit on in the text buffer" is when I come online and say Hi to the arena! Sometimes it takes me a good ten minutes to finish replying to all the greetings and able to concentrate on the game.... but I love it, and wouldn't want it any other way! :D
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Aub - my sentiments exactly
Flossy - thanks for all the advice. (I told her about you and she thought that you were male until I remembered to include that one very important fact) I'll make sure to pass it along.
lazs - one of these days we'll come to terms, but until then you may have to count on a two ship NOE formation from bishlandia deep into rookstan consisting of my Lancaster and her goon :p
popeye - gotta mix fun into the relationship sometime (or in my opinion, most of the time)
gunthr - GREAT IDEA... don't think her Mom would go for it. She's not much of a tank driver.
mason - She would fly with me and prolly avoid the FDBs in every way except for .50s and 20mm's :D .
drex - ...no comment
krusher - good to hear its been done before. thanks!
dtango - yes, they are sick
for the rest of you, thanks for chiming in...
If she does start flying it will be well after I join the AKs. I'm assuming they'll take in a member after wedlock. That being the case, you may (if I'm successful) see her on under the callsign:
AKQuest
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Oh....the AKs. Why didn't you say so? She'll fit right in.
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Originally posted by Preon1
I'm trying to convince my fiancée to try out *a 3-somes and anal sex*(figure if she starts playing with her prettythang then it might avoid some problems in the future ) However, she's worried about being no good and also about being one of a very small minority of females in the community. (suppose she's worried about getting harassed, and hemeriods?)
I know I can teach her how to *Be-with another woman while I watch, participate, and possibly video tape*, but does anybody have a suggestion about the second problem? Should I just give up?
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to funny^5
my only suggestion is keep her away/squelch ZAPHOD i always see him hitting on the chicks in the chat buffer.
lol
j/k
get her in her ifs shes any kinda gamer like the rest of us she'll be hook too!!!
boxlicker:p
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Originally posted by popeye
Oh....the AKs. Why didn't you say so? She'll fit right in.
so what exactly do you mean by that?
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AK*** Stands for Arabian KNights, one of AH's weirdest squad (There's one of em always pushin' me to fly P38's...uhhh)
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Tell her that she will be among good company in the small minority. =)
If she does get harrassed (which I'm seriously doubting will happen) she can always hunt the bugger down and kill him repeatedly until he logs or shuts the hell up
she should probably practice a bit offline with no pressure until she gets the basics down. it can be frustrated coming into a flight sim filled with other people and expectations when you can't even fly yet.
Take it slow, make it fun. Teach her how to bait and taunt
have her read the boards to see what kinda people she'll be dealing with.
everyone is no good to begin with but once she makes that first kill she should be hooked like the rest of us. muhahahahah!
once she gets online, if she has any questions I've found that plenty of people are more than willing to help and that makes it a really nice atmosphere to do some killing. =)
Kanthy
Originally posted by Preon1
I'm trying to convince my fiancée to try out Aces High (figure if she starts playing then it might avoid some problems in the future :cool: ) However, she's worried about being no good and also about being one of a very small minority of females in the community. (suppose she's worried about getting harassed?)
I know I can teach her how to fly, but does anybody have a suggestion about the second problem? Should I just give up?
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Originally posted by Saintaw
AK*** Stands for Arabian KNights, one of AH's weirdest squad (There's one of em always pushin' me to fly P38's...uhhh)
Yeah, never really could understand that weird 38 squad
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*scratches head, very confused*
huh? :confused:
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It's Belgian humour Tac
:D
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Preon, I have flown a little over 2 years in War Birds prior to coming over to AH, and never suffered any harassment. Prior to flying online with WB I flew several months offline. I had no idea what the onine experiece would be like, and I WAS worried about harassment issues. I didnt know anyone else at all that flew WW2 combat flight sims.
I also considered picking a non-obviously female handle, etc, but ended up thinking I'd rather just be myself - IF I get harassment I can always change my handle if I still want to fly the game anyway. And so I began flying as -esme- And you know what? I had precisely one definitely objectionable encounter in-game and that after about a year of playing online. I squelched the bugger as soon as he started offending me, and I never had any furtehr problems.
The bulk of the guys seem to be very protective in that if they hear of anyone harassing me simply for being female, they're likely to give the miscreant a very hard time on every encounter with them for a specified period of time. I've seen a few instances idiot big-mouths almost literally unable to fly due to being solidly vulched and even having their location broadcast to the other side(s) to HELP the enemy vulch them (in WB). Not only does it teach the miscreants to behave better, it also acts as a dire warning to those who might be inclined to misbehave.
Between squelch commands, the GOOD behaviour of the majority, and the fact one can complain to the owners of the game you're flying, I feel pretty safe in online flight sims now. Yes, I've had some amiable flirting/gentle ribaldry aimed at me, but that's OK, the majority know sensible boundaries and keep to 'em.
As for your partner being worried about how good she is or isn't, I'm sure with your help, Preon, she'll become reasonably competent far faster than I was able to teching myself offline. And if she wants some online tuition, I'd be glad to help - I'm happy flying anything, as much realism as a PC game can throw at me, though I specialise in bombers, rather than fighters, but I can at least teach the basic handling in those, too. And there's always "winging" in Ostwinds betwen times, that can be quite fun, as Flossy and I can attest!
Good luck, and here's hoping that AH gains another female aviator before long!
Esme (-esme- in WB, esmers in AH)
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Tell Flossy to take a P51D up to 20k and find an unsuspected dweeb afk walking his dog ;). Pump him full of leed and then she will feel better.
Ah "Flossy" you got nothing to lose 1/2 of the dweebs there are from AW FR arena anyway FedEx ;)
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Maybe its time we have an "AH wifes squadron", or "Valkyries" or something like that.
I tried to hook my girlfriend on this too, but she rather prefers other games, like commandoes. Maybe a good thing, only 1 computer you see.....
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Originally posted by smack
Tell Flossy to take a P51D up to 20k and find an unsuspected dweeb afk walking his dog ;). Pump him full of leed and then she will feel better.
You think I could live long enough in any fighter to get to 20K??? I'd be lucky to get to 2K... :)
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Originally posted by Angus
I tried to hook my girlfriend on this too, but she rather prefers other games, like commandoes. Maybe a good thing, only 1 computer you see.....
LOL... at least I have my own computer, and our son has his too. If we wanted, we could all fly in AH at the same time... :D
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Jenga (my woman) wants a new forum added to this BBS: The AH Wives club.
They could talk about knitting....or whatever it is the women do while the men are flying. ;)
Swoop
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Originally posted by Swoop
They could talk about knitting....or whatever it is the women do while the men are flying. ;)
When I'm not flying, I do cross-stitch! :p
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dunno swoop, when Quest isn't playing games, she's usually plotting the distruction of people she doesn't like. Don't think that'd go over very well in a BBS where they talk about knitting.
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OMG, you kidding? Quest and Jenga would get on like a house on fire. :D
Swoop
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Originally posted by Flossy
You think I could live long enough in any fighter to get to 20K??? I'd be lucky to get to 2K... :)
Who are you trying to kid Flossy? I believe you were my GL in the AW Korea scenario. After finishing our Mossie buff run, we re-upped in an La-5 (including you I think). Admitedly, we probably did not exceed 20K though. ;) I think I may even have a screenshot somewhere showing you in that fighter.
When I'm not flying, I do cross-stitch!
My wife does that too (although not that much anymore since she's gotten hooked on EQ). I sure wish she'd try a flight sim. She shows no interest whatsoever though. Oh well. That just means I have to take a couple of night a week off from flying and play EQ with her. I can live with that. :D
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Flossy you know the art of B&Z use it :) I know you can do it. Go out there and show them what a lady can do....
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Originally posted by Yippee38
Who are you trying to kid Flossy? I believe you were my GL in the AW Korea scenario. After finishing our Mossie buff run, we re-upped in an La-5 (including you I think). Admitedly, we probably did not exceed 20K though. I think I may even have a screenshot somewhere showing you in that fighter.
LOL, yeah I had forgotten about that scenario.... one of those multiple aircraft scenarios we used to have. I was mainly interested in the bombers, but did fly the odd fighter, but never lived long, soon progressing to the final option of ferrying supplies in gooneys.... :) Anyway, that was AW.... since coming to AH, I've very rarely flown a fighter, as I seem to die much quicker than I ever did in AW... :o
My wife does that too (although not that much anymore since she's gotten hooked on EQ).
Unfortunately, I haven't done as much recently, but I am now making every effort to get back into it again.... too many half-finished projects which I want to finish someday. I have the start of a B17 somewhere that I would like to finish, and a completed Spitfire I really need to frame.... but between working, sleeping, playing AH, reading the forums, I barely have time for house-keeping, never mind other hobbies like cross-stitch! :D
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Originally posted by smack
Flossy you know the art of B&Z use it :) I know you can do it. Go out there and show them what a lady can do....
Think you must be confusing me with someone else, Smack! I've never been able to B&Z! :D
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So whatever happened to .........Bunny, LPN, Pepper? We had some killer women in AW.
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And don't forget "deadly" Dyana.
Seriously Flossy, do you not fly fighters? I'll be your wingman if we meet online and you wanna give it a go, - it increases life expectencies even more than a lot of aerobatics:D
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Originally posted by Swoop
Jenga (my woman) wants a new forum added to this BBS: The AH Wives club.
They could talk about knitting....or whatever it is the women do while the men are flying. ;)
Swoop
Tell Jenga to go here (http://home.earthlink.net/~ii_ssnifff/caww/caww2.html) for ideas.
Coalition of Air Warrior Widows or CAWW
Slightly dated but the sentiment hasn't changed.
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Originally posted by midnight Target
Tell Jenga to go here (http://home.earthlink.net/~ii_ssnifff/caww/caww2.html) for ideas.
Coalition of Air Warrior Widows or CAWW
Slightly dated but the sentiment hasn't changed.
You'll pay for this Target :)
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midnight...
LPN was here... i sensed alotta frustration with the errm ridiculous amount of teamwork on the part of the knits.. and haven't seen her online since....
SKurj
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Originally posted by Angus
Seriously Flossy, do you not fly fighters? I'll be your wingman if we meet online and you wanna give it a go, - it increases life expectencies even more than a lot of aerobatics:D
No, can't say I do... and you wouldn't be the first to try and get me to fly them.... I dunno.... I like flying bombers, get a lot of satisfaction from bombing the crap out of a field, and occasionally getting gunner kills on attackers. In defensive mode, I really enjoy using an Osty or PT Boat, or manning an ack gun, either at a field or on a ship. I suppose I never really think about taking a fighter... usually enjoying myself too much! :p
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Well, Flossy, one can sometimes use heavy fighters to bomb the crap out of a field also.
I had tremendous fun the other day with a gang of others. We flew Mosquitos and Me110's under radar deep into enemy territory, grabbing field after a field. Not really fighter business, and not bomber business either.
Guess you won't step so easily out of the bomber pilot seat once you have 4 bombers under your command though.
BTW, any news of the Euro con?
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Originally posted by midnight Target
Tell Jenga to go here (http://home.earthlink.net/~ii_ssnifff/caww/caww2.html) for ideas.
Coalition of Air Warrior Widows or CAWW
Slightly dated but the sentiment hasn't changed.
Well, she had a look......but the site is:
a) for a another (dead) sim in which no-one will have heard of either me or Jenga (she's famous round here ya know :D).
b) hasnt been updated in a year.
c) most of the links dont work and pics all seem to be red Xs.
So....er......interest level is zero mate. :).
Swoop
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I did say it was dated.
I know many of the links are broken, but have her check out the "Best of" link.
Gotta run....Tapper on my 6
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Flossy, whether you WANT to fly a fighter or not is one thing, and that's an entirely personal choice. Whether you have the ability to fly them is another, and my money says that you do, if you care to. As for surviving very long, quarter of the trick is to not take off from an airfield that is under attack. Take off into enemy-free airspace, and you're away and climbing.
Another quarter is learning a few simple rules about using fighters in combat, like fly with (or as) a wingman, fly line abreast until you enage the enemy so that you can check each others tails (if you fly line ahead, the rear one can be picked off before either of you realises there'sany danger); conserve enery; alt is good; don't HO fighters but DO HO bombers (usually; B26 is an exception); don't 6 attack buffs but DO 6-attack fighters.
A third quarter is knowing your aircraft as well as possible, and this is where I start falling down. I'm just not quite interested enough in all the minutae of fighter combat to be bothered with anything other than gross characteristics of planes, a few rough and ready facts, like which planes are "Turn & Burn" planes, and which "Boom & Zoom". But I'm a Bomberpiloten, damnit, Jim, not a flippin' Jagdflieger! :-)
The fourth quarter is innate talent, and there I'm decidedly mediocre. Even so, I can put up a reasonable fight, not least because a surprisingly large percentage of the players in the online sims Ive tried so far dont seem to have grasped the first two quarters listed above. Innate talent can and does take some people a long way, but if they dont use that talent in an informed way, then even someone like me with little talent but an understanding of some of the theory can make a reasonable showing against them.
I'm sure if you ever feel the urge to get the hang of fighters better there's plenty fo folk would be happy to give you a hand, Flossy - myself included, although for anything beyond the basics, you'd be better off getting someone else to help you!
Esme
PS: Who likened JABOing to bombing back there? Heresy! If it hasnt got a bombsight it just ISN'T the same! :-)