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General Forums => Aircraft and Vehicles => Topic started by: Chairboy on May 07, 2002, 01:23:16 AM
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Please consider adding the Me-323 Gigant for use as a heavy cargo plane (perhaps 3x Field Supplies load as a C-47, for instance) or for transporting light GVs (like M3 and other halftracks).
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I second the notion!
Me-323s saved Hitler's life when the airbase he was visiting was being overrun by the Soviets. One or two 323s landed and provided enough troops and weapons for Hitler to escape.
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Might be a cool addition to the planset. It would be a pretty well defended plane but still relatively easy to take out.
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i would love one of those to fly around the map.beautiful plane.be a great addition to AH.
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The only reason NOT to add it is that it saved Hitlers life ;)
Would be GREAT to have though.
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i want one of those big things.it'd be awesome to see it on the runway dwarving the other planes :D
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So, can we get it? Huh, can we?
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Originally posted by Wilbus
The only reason NOT to add it is that it saved Hitlers life
But we could model a tiny fuhrer looking out of one of the windows. Then you could shoot him down and strafe his chute.
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The Messerschmitt Me-323 was ununusal and revolutionary in serveral ways. First, it was developed from a glider, the Me-321 transport glider, second, it was among the largest of aircraft to fly in WWII, third, it loaded through 11 foot high doors in the front of the fusilage, four, it was powered wholly by French engines, and five, it could use Jet Assisted Take Off (JATO). The aircraft was designed with massive, semi-cantilever, high-mounted wings in order to lift the heavy weights desired. As the aircraft technology was not yet sufficiently advanced for this type of wing, they had to be braced from the fusilage out to the middle of the wing. To reduce weight and to save on aluminum much of the wing was made of plywood and fabric. The fusilage was of composite metal-wood-fabric with heavy bracing in the floor to hold the weight. In order to get the powered version of the glider airborne it was equipped with six Gnome-Rhone engines. The French engines were chosen as their design was complete and they could be built in occupied France without interfering with German engine production. The landing gear were a set of 10 semi-recessed wheels designed to flex like caterpillar treads for landing on rough terrain and to distribute the weight over a large area. In all, it bore a remarkable resemblance to the heavy-airlift aircraft of today, indeed, it was the forerunner of this type of transport aircraft. The cargo hold was 36 feet long, 10 feet wide and 11 feet high. The typical loads it carried were: two 4-ton trucks, or 8,700 loaves of bread, or an 88 mm Flak gun, it's equipment, ammunition and crew, or 52 drums of fuel (45 gal/252 L), or 130 men, or 60 stretchers. It was, for it's time, a remarkable aircraft.
Technical Details
The Me-323 transport had a crew of five comprised of two pilots, two flight engineers and a radio operator. Two additional gunners could be carried as well. The pilot's area was in front of the leading edge of the wing at the top of the cargo area and was armoured. It was powered by six Gnome-Rhone 14N 48/49 14 cylinder radial, air-cooled engines each rated at 990 hp. Four rockets could be mounted on each wing outside of the last engine to assist with take-offs. The left and right side engines had to be counter-rotating to avoid the severe torque that would be generated by six engines rotating in the same direction. It had a maximum speed of only 136 mph (218 km/h) at sea level and speed dropped with altitude. Range is not known, but it was used to quickly build up troops in North Africa flying from Italy. It was armed with five 13 mm machine guns firing from a dorsal position behind the wings and from the fusilage. They were manned by the extra gunners, radio operator and engineers.
julle
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Hi Julle,
Good summary on the Gigant!
>As the aircraft technology was not yet sufficiently advanced for this type of wing, they had to be braced from the fusilage out to the middle of the wing.
Actually, a braceless wing would have been well within the technological envelope. It's just that Messerschmitt was given the task to design an aircraft which by definition ended each successful mission with a crash-landing in enemy-held territory :-) That's an assault glider's job description - they just have to be cheap and expendable!
Regards,
Henning (HoHun)
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Originally posted by julle
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why does it say warbirds?
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´cos I play WB. Though I´ve played AH too...
julle
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This is a perk bomber !
"One 17.7 ton bomb was dropped in trials, though the aircraft crashed during the trials due to structural failure after the test aircraft had been straffed by Allied fighters days earlier."
That's a 34,200lb bomb ! :eek:
Hahaha, bloody germans .
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Lanca could carry only 12,000 lb (5443 kg) "Tallboy" bomb or heavier 22,000 lb (9972 kg) "Grand Slam" bomb...
Biggest present day high-explosive bomb is american 6.8 tonne (15,000 pound) "BLU-82/B"
Pick is showing Grand Slam bomb :eek:
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wasn't there a glider version of the gigant? and one with rocket assisted take off...?
and on the lancaster bomb theam .... what a bang if one of them went off in bishland:D
the lancasters used to carry these bombs had a re-designed bomb bay which bulged and run the whole length of the plane..
they were also named earthquake bombs and were used against mainly dams, where they exploded some meters below the surface and caused such a shock wave that all organic material just desolved.:p
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Originally posted by SELECTOR
wasn't there a glider version of the gigant? and one with rocket assisted take off...?
and on the lancaster bomb theam .... what a bang if one of them went off in bishland:D
the lancasters used to carry these bombs had a re-designed bomb bay which bulged and run the whole length of the plane..
they were also named earthquake bombs and were used against mainly dams, where they exploded some meters below the surface and caused such a shock wave that all organic material just desolved.:p
cool, mini nuke
add it, the bouncing dam buster bomb.....oh yeah, dams too!
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Is that really true about Hitler being on an airbase that was almost overrun by soviet troops? I never heard that before. If its true I would like to hear the whole story. I had always thought Hitler stayed away from the front lines.
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I would like to see the Gigant as a small (5-10 pt) perk. It should carry double or quad supplies/troops (and when troops are dropped they should go two at a time) or one of the lighter vehicles so that a player can fly somewhere then drive to the target.
Why such a low Perk value? Because the survival rate will be very low.
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Originally posted by fdiron
I second the notion!
Me-323s saved Hitler's life when the airbase he was visiting was being overrun by the Soviets. One or two 323s landed and provided enough troops and weapons for Hitler to escape.
Fascinating. I've never heard of this before and it isn't mentioned in either of the biographies I've read. Can you tell us where you got this factoid Fdiron?
- Seagoon
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I want to see the Gigant in AH!
eskimo