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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: Beefcake on May 08, 2002, 04:14:57 PM
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Buffs in AH may be "Deathstar's", but remember that the Deathstar was killed by a lone fighter, and in 1 hit I might add. :)
Ramblings by Beefcake :)
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Did you see it already? I got tickets for the 16th (comes out that date in Yurop)
;)
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It's out May 16th here too SAW.... but it's probably best to wait until the following weekend to view it in the states since the ticket lines are already being staked out by the geekiest Star Wars fan complete with full costumes. If a normal person tries to get into line, one of these rabid patrons will most likely assault you with a barrage of plastic light saber wacks to the groin.
So yeah, I'll prolly be seeing it the 18th or 19th.
:)
-SW
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This thread wasn't about the new star wars movie, it was counter (or an attempted counter) to all the "Fluff whines" that have been poping up.
What I was trying to say (in the message) is that some buffs maybe hard to kill but if done right you can kills buffs very easy, with little ammo, and usualy come out undamaged.
On a side, I will most likely see SWE2AotC on the 18th or 19th too. :D
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So they're gonna start arming the interceptors with Proton Torpedos?
I'm still pissed at Lucas for that last travesty he called Star Wars Episode I.
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Aim at the pilot, and trust in the Force, Luke.
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Back on topic...
The biggest problem I had attacking buffs yesterday was forgetting that a Ki67 is NOT a fighter! That 20mm in the tail came as a rather nasty surprise...
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It was sad in the ackstar thread how many dont really understand the term "ackstar".
Ackstar = a bomber aircraft taken off by a tard, at a field under attack by fighters, just so he can use the bomber guns as a replacement for the downed ack at the field.
The term ackstar has absolutely nothing to do with someone on a real bombing mission, nothing to do with using your guns to defend your bomber on that mission.
It was much more prevalent in WB because all the guns would fire by "auto-gunners", so one guy could up a bomber and have multiple, high accuracy guns banging away. Really a jerky move to pull. Luckily its much more rare in AH, and that is mostly thanks to the lack of auto-gunners.
The closest thing AH suffered was jerks/fools who participated in the pathetic ack of "carbombing". Luckily HTC eliminated that stupid practice.
I have all the respect in the world for those who accomplish tactical bombing mission in the game, and nothing but disdain (could ya guess?) for those who "ackstar".
Dago
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I think Buffs on AH are a yoke.
Example #1
Me and my wingman both coming from left and right into buff.
Cofuse Buff Gunner <--- Needs to keep and eye on flight path. Man there is 2 P47 on my six 1 spit under me Fester wating to see who survive.
Wait another dot at 12.
Confuse buff pilot is dead.
How can one man do so much and survive. You can smoke buffs if done right they will never have a chance or a fighting chance against numbers.
We need to full crew a bomber. Death Star dam spits are Death Stars.
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sure... fluffs are easy enough to kill but it is very bit as gamey as any "star wars" movie. Fluffs are a drag in AH.. They are no fun to kill and no fun to let live. Most people simply avoid them and head for the more interesting and realistic air combat.
lazs
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Buffs are both very fun to kill and very fun to fly. I get as much excitement out of forming up 6-10 buffs in a mission as I do going on a buff hunt with a 190A8 or G10. Its one of the aspects of the game that makes it a well-rounded WW2 sim.
One of the more exciting missions was in the Special Events Arena where I was priveleged to lead 12 buffs into Germany, on egress, approx. 10 ME262's engaged our formations. Due to the close formation flying and tactical Buff Boxes we all held, we shot down 8 and lost 2. You should have heard that RW channel that day, it was a proud moment in AH history for Buff dudes.
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If you look into history "Or ask anybody that knows about history about WWII" B17 Bombers have more kills accounted for than any Airforce combine in the entire WWII theater. So I don't think buffs on AH are a deathstar. Look good into history about best all around BUFF "No Need To Say B17" I know for a fact that they have more kills than any ace in the entire war.
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Originally posted by Ripsnort
One of the more exciting missions was in the Special Events Arena where I was priveleged to lead 12 buffs into Germany, on egress, approx. 10 ME262's engaged our formations. Due to the close formation flying and tactical Buff Boxes we all held, we shot down 8 and lost 2. You should have heard that RW channel that day, it was a proud moment in AH history for Buff dudes.
uhh..oh.. :(
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Originally posted by Beefcake
This thread wasn't about the new star wars movie, it was counter (or an attempted counter) to all the "Fluff whines" that have been poping up.
What I was trying to say (in the message) is that some buffs maybe hard to kill but if done right you can kills buffs very easy, with little ammo, and usualy come out undamaged.
Give me a break.
I started to write a lengthy counter to this garbage but why...it won't change a thing. Anybody can log on this form and puke drivel like this onto the page as if it's true. :rolleyes:
Anyway...back to work.
Kuben
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yeah.. 12 guys firing 100 guns or so.... what could be more exciteing or realistic?
lazs
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Originally posted by lazs2
yeah.. 12 guys firing 100 guns or so.... what could be more exciteing or realistic?
lazs
Umm, World War 2? :D
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Originally posted by Ripsnort
Umm, World War 2? :D
Umm, actually, in World War 2, 12 guys would have been firing...12 guns. :D
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Originally posted by Apache
Umm, actually, in World War 2, 12 guys would have been firing...12 guns. :D
10 guns per plane X 12 planes...120 guns. Granted, the nose and bottom turrets were not used in this scenario, the ME262's did a good job at slashing attacks from the sides. I think you were in that formation buffing with us weren't you Apache?
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I think it is funny to hear from someone on how a buff should or should not be flown and they never fly bombers themselves :) Just goes to show ya, opinions are like _______ everyone has one.
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Originally posted by Ripsnort
10 guns per plane X 12 planes...120 guns. Granted, the nose and bottom turrets were not used in this scenario, the ME262's did a good job at slashing attacks from the sides. I think you were in that formation buffing with us weren't you Apache?
Ripsnort, I detect a note of sarcasm in your post. Guess you missed the smilie.
Agreed, in AH, 12 guys would fire 100 - 120 guns. In WWII, 12 guys would be firing 12 guns. In WWII, 12 bombers would have had 100-120 gunners?
I don't recall being in a buff in over a year or so, certainly not since the 262 came out. I could, however, be mistaken.
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Lazs just wait for 1.10 to come out with 4 buff formation and probably AI gunners (we cant defend 4 buffs with 1 gunner).
Unless HT wants to loose all buffers (not bloody likely).
As a buffer i would love to see a more realistic bombsight (altitude and speed settings).
In RL buffs could hide in clouds too (not many of thoses here).
Im not complaining this game is great :D
If i can just get my puter back :(
We propably will get new targets too for those 4 buff formations.
And bigger bomb blast too.
HT always seems to make it work so ill trust his judgement.
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In WWII 7 guys fired 12 guns. (8 guys, 13guns if the radioman's gun was installed).
-SW
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Originally posted by Apache
Ripsnort, I detect a note of sarcasm in your post. Guess you missed the smilie.
Agreed, in AH, 12 guys would fire 100 - 120 guns. In WWII, 12 guys would be firing 12 guns. In WWII, 12 bombers would have had 100-120 gunners?
I don't recall being in a buff in over a year or so, certainly not since the 262 came out. I could, however, be mistaken.
NO, no sarcasm! Thought you might have been with us when we had that scenario.
(And on a side note, I would never let my relationship with Laz get inbetween a friendship with another online pal...nor would I defend anything my squaddies said online, its of my opinion that if you need someone to jump in on your side on a BBS, then the point of the arguement by the originator was weak at best to begin with! Right Hooligan? ;) Anyway, Apache! )
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Originally posted by lazs2
sure... fluffs are easy enough to kill but it is very bit as gamey as any "star wars" movie. Fluffs are a drag in AH.. They are no fun to kill and no fun to let live. Most people simply avoid them and head for the more interesting and realistic air combat.
lazs
Yepper, buddy, if Lazs says "most" then "most:" it is. No sense arguing, he just knows these things.
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Good grief.
Ripsnore did the math, and it adds up to a “WWII Sim.”
And I thought Buff guns were a gameplay concession by HTC till new features could be implemented? Seems to work as a whole to give a lone bomber firepower which is the MA norm for a unstructured group of players, but it might be a simulation of the real thing. Not sure.
Sounds crazy 8 262’s would get shot down, but I bet it was just leadership.
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Originally posted by lazs2
Most people simply avoid them and head for the more interesting and realistic air combat.
lazs
on who's authority do you base this claim?
you now know the minds of the entire AH community?
if so what did i eat for breakfast this morning? :D
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Originally posted by Ripsnort
NO, no sarcasm! Thought you might have been with us when we had that scenario.
(And on a side note, I would never let my relationship with Laz get inbetween a friendship with another online pal...nor would I defend anything my squaddies said online, its of my opinion that if you need someone to jump in on your side on a BBS, then the point of the arguement by the originator was weak at best to begin with! Right Hooligan? ;) Anyway, Apache! )
Agreed. You have been and always shall be, my friend. .
Having said that, Lazs is my friend as well and I could give a rats prettythang who doesn't like him.
Besides, I was just goofin' with ya when I posted the first time, lol.
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(Moving his hand slowly from left to right)
"This is not the thread you are looking for"
"Move on"
Daniel
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I swore off attacking them, and did for awhile, but just hate them so bad I inevitably shot at them, or them down and made sure I was attacking from the bottom of the buff so when I had a Dora “steam maker” with or without a wing I would climb with more alt before I died and they would crash first, awarding me the kill, and saving a kill against me. An actual skill acquired in time.
Whether anyone else does it I don’t know. If they think about leaving, I’d have to say “most” of the old time arena players that have ANY merit in “simulating” combat do, consider it. Cuz face it, a competent Buff is going to fill you full of gameplay concentrated at one point lead.
Tardism knows no bounds, so you might have a point Hazed.