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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: Sturm on April 22, 2001, 11:48:00 PM
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I cannot believe I am even saying this but I am getting bored in AH. I look at the vast planeset and think wow this will be fun. Well it changes very much so once in the MA. I don't squeak about how one plane's guns are stronger then the other. What I am getting bored with is shooting down only 3 types of fighters.
Something has to be done to encourage flying the other models. The perk value isnt working, most dont care about the perk value for they allready have 2000+ PP's. Maybe it is this map but the last map at least I saw a few other variants. I will wait and see how the next patch is, but if this continues I will go somewhere else. I don't see spending 30$ a month and fighting 3 planes or 3 bombers. Maybe having all the planes open for eveyone instead of country orineted is a bad idea?
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Sturm6 StaffelKapitän
JV44 Platzschutzstaffel
Airfield Defense Squadron
"Did we give up when the Germans bombed Pearl harbor?"
Famous quote from Animal House, John Belushi.
[This message has been edited by Sturm (edited 04-22-2001).]
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I see a fair number of spits, macchi's, little spits, zekes and such.. but when I'm inna furball these 'lesser planes' don't command my intrest if a N1K or F4U is present. Frankly; you gotta start at the high end of the food chain and work yer way down, or fer sure that N1K or Chog will smack yah down if yah start turning on the macchi.
One must attend to the priorities, or be fish food. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Hang
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Maybe having all the planes open for eveyone instead of country orineted is a bad idea?
Umm Sturm, this is the ACES HIGH BBS. The bulletin board for the Warbirds WW2 arena is thataway ------------->
Sorry.. just do not understand your post at all!
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Jekyll
9./JG 54 "Grünherz"
Aces High Training Corps
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Never flown Warbirds before. My point is the I am getting bored of flying against 3 types of planes in fighter sweeps. I don't think that is to hard to grab from the post. I do not see anything wrong with suggestions either. It is quite funny this group here are quick to ridicule, but then again this is coming from a group that loves the N1k "This FM is very screwed up", Spit IX, and Chog.
I am sorry if you think fighting 3 planes is fun, but it is getting boring for me. Flame away, well try to, one thing you guys need to work on.
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Sturm6 StaffelKapitän
JV44 Platzschutzstaffel
Airfield Defense Squadron
"Did we give up when the Germans bombed Pearl harbor?" Famous quote from Animal House, John Belushi.
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Well Sturm, its only been a month and you're already burned out? (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/eek.gif)
Sturm6:
Time hh:mm:ss 157:18:48
moose:
Time hh:mm:ss 49:51:12
Might be the hours man, cut back a little.
Plus, watching the planes you mentioned go in in flames is always a thrill for me.
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Moose my time online has nothing to do with it. My point was expressed, and the old swictharoo won't work. Swaying the conversation from the problem to a user problem. I don't think I am alone on this one. But then again if you enjoy fighting just those planes more power to ya. As I said before I will wait until the next patch, to see what is fixed.
If I am going to spend 30$, I prefer to see more planes then just these. Granted you will see the occasional 205 or maybe even a LA-5. Point being it is not worth it to fly them so why should people? Late war and early war plane sets do not match, never have and never will. This tour is proving it. I thought the FW 190 F-8 would be a plane a lot of LW regulars would fly. Guess where it is now? In the hanger, I have ideas on how to rectify this, but it is pointless.
Just tell me what is fun about fighting Chog's and N1k's all the time?
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Sturm6 StaffelKapitän
JV44 Platzschutzstaffel
Airfield Defense Squadron
"Did we give up when the Germans bombed Pearl harbor?" Famous quote from Animal House, John Belushi.
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I did cut down my "fligh time" earlier, logged in last evening, took Dora to flight, killed three enemies with it and after that logged off. Nothing new, Just same old.
I would like to see a alternative paying method in AH because 30$/month is too much for time I spend in MA now.
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Sturm, I totally agree with you. But having a planeset/country oriented arena will cut the squads in half for sure.
If perk system doesnt work (and it doesnt). Perhaps limiting the available plane types and numbers at some bases could fix the problem. We already have a limitation with the CVs (only navy planes).
Other things like limiting the ammount of fuel available at bases, ordenance, etc may help. For example, filling up with 100% fuel a squad of P51D will have a more serious impact on the available fuel at base than filling up a 109F squad.
Some bases can run out of 20mm hispano ammo, of 20mm 151/20 ammo, or 50's ammo, or bombs (making buffs unable to reload there), etc.
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I can see where AH could become repititive and get boring. I usually fly bombers. A normal bomber flight for me is about 1- 1 and a half hours. I normally only get a couple days a week that I have the time to do a bomber flight. Lately I have been trying out fighters (and doing quite well at hitting the silk after being quickly filled with lead thank you) I have found it to be quite fun even though I usually end up dead. Try flying a bomber now and then... I suggest a B-26 lowlevel and try hitting a fleet with a few friends. You may want to ditch the fighter for a while, it's a riot!
But, Flying a fighter I have noticed in furballs/ base captures that F4U's and N1Ks and maybe a stray P-51 or 109 are the only planes in the area. I have seen other types chasing me in a bomber but when I joined the furball I found that I better grab one of the above or I dont even have a chance for a prayer.
This is why I have wanted to see either a huge divided map or different arenas for the different periods of the war (early, mid, and late) which would allow the planesets to stay the same and do away with the perks or use the perks for something else. You could fly anything you like that is available for that area or arena.
Seperate arenas is easy but I have seen good arguements why to keep everyone in one arena like keeping the "community" together because separate arenas is a bad idea. I don't share that thought but I have seen enough people post it that it's worth mentioning.
The other is a huge arena seperated either by distance or features. Maybe distance would be good enough if some policys were in place to deal with offenders. But the distance would still have to be at least 100 miles I believe.
As for the $30 a month... I fly about 20 hours a month in AH. A little more than a buck an hour. Heck a trip to Dave-n-Busters or Jillians or anywhere with the latest video games which don't even compare to AH you will spend at least $20. If your there more than an hour or so (or take your kid with you) you will spend more. That's about $20 an hour and you cant spend all night on the games (unless you work there I guess).
I have as much fun doing stuff with my family as I do flying online. So I will not complain about the price. Heck to fly a real plane (which I also do) costs about $60-$80 an HOUR with gas, and thats not for a F4U or N1K thats for a Cessna 152 or 172. For a Warbird your talking $800-1500 or more and you dont even get to shoot anyone down. Whatta ripoff huh ;p
I know in some countrys the exchange rate makes it quite expensive and maybe there could be a way to help them out. I think that that could be handled on a case by case basis through there support though???
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Chuck Perry
"Sky61"
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Sturm's got a point. I bet 80% of the planes I see are C-Hogs, Nikis, or LA-7s.
The perk system cannot function properly if the planes most pilots aspire to are not perks. And most MA pilots aspire to planes that have killing power, and right now that seems to be the C-Hog and Niki.
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Originally posted by Sturm:
It is quite funny this group here are quick to ridicule, but then again this is coming from a group that loves the N1k "This FM is very screwed up", Spit IX, and Chog.
Nice.
[This message has been edited by SOB (edited 04-23-2001).]
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What is needed is "Choice"...ie, a Historical Arena, or something similiar...I haven't seen less than 150 online during US time zone evenings, no reason why they couldn't open up another arena and give it a try.
I'm totally burned out on the Snap shots and Check Six events since they too use the same terrain...terrain is all about immersion to me.
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Repetition brings boredom
Me thinks this has less to do with what aircraft you are seeing and more to do with the fact that you have played 170 hours in 3 weeks.
Here's a tip: Slow down and enjoy the ride.
AKDejaVu
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I must not be flying where every one else is i dont think i have seen a nik all tour. i see chogs but i dont see them all the time unless i am fighting near a cv. i can say that this is my fav map. I love how open it is. Yes all the cvs i dont care for. but the map itself is great. i dont understand some of the people that posts/plays in this game, therere alot of peope that seem to play this game that hate it. i dont know about the rest of you but when i hate this game as much as some of the people i would quit.
Trell
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Jeez Rip, how could you not post it in here too!? I mean, look at the topic (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
Anyway I'll do it for yas.
Ripsnort sez:
Hmmm, my premonition comes true, you'll see by posts awhile back during the big Chog whine fest that I said "next they will whine about the N1K, and want it removed (perked, by todays standards), then, whats next? There will always be a plane that someone has to base their excuse for dying not to pilot ability, but to what the enemy pilot is flying".
I hate it when I can read the future.
FTR:Perking the Chog will only take it out of the hands of incompetent and relatively green flyers, and it will remain in the hands of very competent flyers...(After all, most of these pilots would survive, and alot have perkies built up) so your problem would be only that the newbies wouldn't be killing you anymore, you will still be getting shot down by the good pilots. However, I would support the decision by HTC to perk it if they give us the -1A.
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Regurge, you're doing this because I'm actually saying to perk the Chog. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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Periods of being burnt out happens in any game. I have experienced that many times. Take a break and come back. That helps.
However, variation is important to counter boredom. Some get bored by hitting same planes, others by endless furballs or lack of challenging missions. The reasons for boredom are many.
I have in othr treads suggested a number of variations in gameplay which I know from experience will help. Most of this experience comes from playing Warbirds for many years. There we went through the same phases as AH is doing now. A lot of experiments where carried out to find variation.
I am sure we tried out most of those suggestions I see are discussed in this BBS.
What finally evolved in Warbirds was a split in two arenas with quite different setups.
The "Combat Arena" with four sides and free selection of planes. Full dot-radar on map and the choise of an easy flight model if you liked that. This arena would be your choise when you did not want to spend much time finding a fight and where A2A was your priority.
The other aena was the WW2 arena with two sides, allies versus axis. Here there where a rolling planeset from early war to late war during the tour. There where no dot-dar on map and realistic flight model was forced on. Icon range was reduced.
The WW2 arena was your choise when you wanted the most realistic and historically correct environment. This arena also required more skill to survive. The challenge to your SA and pilot skills where greater.
I prefered the WW2 arena, but now and then I would drop in on the Combat arena for some intense A2A action. If I got bored in one arena I would change to the other for awhile. That worked quite well.
I believe AH should develop a similar split in arenas. It does not split the community. The community will be there in both arenas. The variation in gameplay you can experience is vastly increased in a way it can not be done if all are in same arena.
The selection of planes are enough today to support two arenas like this. I am aware that we are a bit short on early war planes and axis type of bombers. But we know they will be there soon. Meanwhile there are ways to compensate. In WB the b25 was made available to axis to compensate for lack of axis bombers. That could be done in AH too.
To look at and include the best ideas from sims that have had more years evolving than AH is wise. That can only improve AH and keep it on top as our first choise.
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Originally posted by Ripsnort:
What is needed is "Choice"...ie, a Historical Arena, or something similiar...I haven't seen less than 150 online during US time zone evenings, no reason why they couldn't open up another arena and give it a try.
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Yeah right, Rip...that would rock.
I think that the perk sistem is not bad. What is bad is that some people started the TOD of the Perk planes iwth more than 2000 perks. Maybe put a top limit to the perkies you may have would work?
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Ok this is my second tour and I love the game . However I do understand where Sturm is coming from. I my self found that I was flying the same plane, Spit9 , all the time, the main reason was cause it was the only thing I could hit anything in. I changed that and started to fly different planes, one cause i joined a great squad and cause I wanted to learn more and try E-fighting, steep learning curve ( mainly into the ground ) but worth it, I hope.
I like Strum idea on a different post about aircraft factories. This would add a more strategic feel to the game, and also force the losing side to use different aircraft.
The way i see it you would have 4 factories, each one taken out would remove the most used aircraft in the last 12 hours. It would work like the HQ in that if the city had been hit this would have a detrimental affect on the rebuilding time of that factory.
Some people might say that this makes it harder for the losing side well that in my opinion is war ask the germans in late 44-45 if bombing their factories made it harder for them to fight.
While I expect to get flamed at some point in this thread, as everybody is a critic, please offer an alternative while roasting me alive (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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RHood VMF-222
Bring the Mosquito FB.MkVI toAH NOW :-)
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I see about 4 or five different planes being used. It allways cracks me up when i hear an "allied vs axis" guy whining about lack of variety in fights. They would have the variety down to fighting only 2 kinds of planes, 109's and 190's... not only that but even the melees would have less variety as you would only have to defend against planes that climbed well and turned poorly.
moose is right.... when u live online you get burnt out. most people don't put in that kind of time and new guys are still trying to get over the steep learning curve.
lazs
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Sturm6:
Time hh:mm:ss 157:18:48
Moose my time online has nothing to do with it.
BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAA!!!
Sturm that is 7 hours a day!
If you play a game 7 hours a day for a month, you are going to get bored of it!!!
[This message has been edited by funked (edited 04-23-2001).]
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And yes I love the Spitfire. It is the most beautiful and capable fighter in the history of mankind. If you don't like it you can kiss my pale, hairy, behind!
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FunkedUp, Officer Commanding, 308 (Polish) Squadron "City of Cracow" RAF (http://www.raf303.org/308)
Northolt Wing (1st Polish Fighter Wing) (http://www.raf303.org/northolt)
"We had been forced to fight. And now that we are fighting, we thought, we'll teach you rotten Huns how to fight. We'll shoot your pissy little fighters out of the sky, we'll rip your dirty great bombers to shreds, we'll make you wish to Christ you'd never heard of the aeroplane!"
[This message has been edited by funked (edited 04-23-2001).]
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I'm sure time online has *something* to do with how bored you get flying.
There is variety in the arena, it just depends on where you are.
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I got bored to AH long time ago already.. thanks to Chogs (good that I got bored in early so I didn't have to see frustration with CV Chogs (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif))
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Originally posted by Fishu:
I got bored to AH long time ago already.. thanks to Chogs (good that I got bored in early so I didn't have to see frustration with CV Chogs (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif))
Fishu, knowing you, you'd have found another to make the excuse. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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I was getting bored with AH the other week. So I decided to try flying the Tiffie in jabo-mode for a bit and try improve my jabo score. It had been a while since I had flown it.
It rocked - coming in at 10 k with 2000lbs of bombs - blasting through higher cons, dropping my bombs and then running away. This is especially fun when you have plenty of support - I usually reverse about 5 miles out climb to 4k and then dive on the field, taking out acks or the odd low enemy plane.
I got killed alot but it really got me back in the game. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
- Koba
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Yeah I get bored too... although I think it's just because I don't like doing the same thing for too long.
So I found this neato little thing to do when I get bored with AH: Hmmm what are those people called that you know and you do stuff with? Oh yeah.. I call up my friends and go out and do stuff.
Amazing.. you can have fun with real human interaction too!!
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-SW
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I've only played about 14 hours or so this tour.
Not even burned out...just bored with the same ol same ol. That is not in respect to any one plane or anything...just the same ol whinning, same ol tactics, same ol bugs, same ol gameplay, etc. It's all the same ol stuff.
A compilation if you will. So, I'm login very few hours, hoping that my lack of obstructed bandwidth will further advance the game by surplus funds. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif) (or equalize, erm if you will)
The text buffer has really turned my off lately...so much garbage gets spewed there...and it's all so dated! No imagination whatsoever with whiners these days...
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About 25 hours of playing and I'm fed up. It's full of Nikis, Spitfires and C-Hogs out there (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/frown.gif) So, I'm leaving for one week of holidays in Sicily. Cya all (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)