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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: Naudet on April 23, 2001, 11:26:00 AM
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A note at the beginning, this is not addressed to the many LW friends i am flying with in AH the JG 54, the PSS and many others. I believe u guys sometimes feel the same.
The 1st thing are the many many players that fly around without any little amount of skill, HOing all the day with their freeking Tie-Fighters N1K1 and F4U.
2nd the all the kill those guys cost u. I fly my D9 i tangle with an enemy and just once in the moment, he has burned all E and i want to turn and give him a little burst from my guns, one freeking dweeb comes in, shoots at the "wonderful easy target" that is hanging right in front of him and BOOM there goes the work of 5 mins of high adrenalin usage and E management.
3rd, the missing of 6 calls, hey guys its so easy to press the 6 call key and let it go. I use it very often, even up to the max icon distance of 6.0k. But how often i fly and prepare to kill someone, just to be bounced by an enemy, the nice N1K1 and F4U dweebs saw comin at me, but instead of warning me they let him get me, and then go for him, cause he is an easier kill than.
Than the wonderful GE guns, this pee pee shooters if u compare em to any other plane in the game. I fill up SPits, F4Us LAs and so on. But WOW how durable all that planes are compare to my little tiny FW190, which was know as the weakest plane of WW2 falling apart even if a bullet only passes near bye. Even the ZEKE is hard to kill compare to the D9.
HTC plz rearange the perk point system, so that it more reflects the actual AH situation.
The cHOG, dHOG, N1K1, Spit IX and LA7 should have the worst point multiplier. U ask why, cause they are the most seen planes in AH, and why they are?? Cause through player experience it was shown that they are the TOP 5 planes of AH. All other planes should be really good for getting perk points, especially the C202,C205 (i think they already are pretty good perk point machines once u fly em succesful), than the P47, the FW190 and the ME109.
Now this is all for now, but frustration level was lowered a lot by typing it down.
Greetings to all real fighter pilots of AH.
P.S. i dont want offend people who fly the HOG or the N1K1 outta squad reasons or cause its "the plane" for em, but even they must admit that the majority of the N1K1 and HOG drivers fly those birds cause they are freeking kill-scoring machines
[This message has been edited by Naudet (edited 04-23-2001).]
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And people wonder why Dear Abby is a millionaire (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
There is nothing really *wrong* with the game, your problem is with many of the participants. And I, as do others, know what you mean.
The best thing I can suggest is log off, relax, and then rejoin when chilled out. You can't make people help you, or want to help you.
Been there, done that, got the t-shirt (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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Paul J. Busiere
Aces High Arena handle: BD5Pilot
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BD-5 "T" (TurboProp) 90% complete, first flight in 2001 (We hope!)
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This is why they make boxed games.
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Not another one? Just turn off the easymode in the chog and the nik. 90% of them will stay on the ground.
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These complaints will be ignored.you will eventually get to that point where you love the way this game flies but you will be fed up with the 'discrepencies' mentioned earlier and you will probably decide to leave on principle or through cost/fun factor dropping off through frustration(eg LW 20mm causing no damage to tanks).
Something all these people who claim its 'luftwhiners' dont really care about.they dont care if we leave because they will just see less and less LW flyers..and so what?
HTC on the otherhand,should keep in mind these LW fans/customers .they seem to disregard these complaints.The bomber pilots complain the guns arent enough they extend the range to keep those customers.The Flyers of axis planes with 20mm have been unable to straffe ostwinds/panzers for ages and when we questioned it we were called 'whiners'.
well in news there is finally a mention of the damage model for tanks being changed.
Will this mean MG151 will penetrate at last?
I hope so.
There is an incredibly annoying trend in the ah community to flame anything that mentions possible faults with anything axis and its stupid.I fly the planes and do my joke german voice sure but im not a nazi.
Just want to fly and have fun with the planes as near exact as it is possible with a computer BUT with concessions that are agreed to increase fun and enjoyment.
Being in a fight with an aircraft that seems to have such a overpowering weapons(f4c) is not much fun.
I dont want to see it removed or changed for that matter but i would like to see less everytime i get in MA and while youre at it maybe some sort of proof that hispanos were sooooooo much better than Mg151s at penetrating armour.
i can live in hope
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Hazed
3./JG2 (http://members.home.net/winyah999/3jg2.htm)
i guess if you ignore someone for long enough,even with a legitimate complaint, its easy to claim its whines.
[This message has been edited by hazed- (edited 04-23-2001).]
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't MG151s High Explosive rounds as opposed to Armor Piercing.
If they are HE, wouldn't making them be able to penetrate 10" of armor (at the least) be kind of like talking to someone and then when they say something you don't like you stick your fingers in your ears and yell out "I CAN'T HEAR YOU!!!"
You need an armor piercing round to knock a hole in the armor for an explosive round to detonate in and make the hole larger. If you hit with just high explosive rounds you MAY put a dent in the armor... more than likely just give it a nice charred effect.
-SW
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I bet that in 1.07 the Hispanos will do to tanks what the Mg151/20s do to tanks in 1.06: Nothing.
Tank armor model is being redone.
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Here's a hint for the LW at large. Try not to form your question such as...
While my plane is very very difficult to fly (most pilots here are not good enough), my opponents fly planes that take no skill at all to kill them.
...then we're going to be laughing at you before you even ask the question.
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The 1st thing are the many many players that fly around without any little amount of skill, HOing all the day with their freeking Tie-Fighters N1K1 and F4U.
I have yet to see a single plane HO. Not even one. My experience is, and by defintion, it takes 2, count 'em, 2 planes to do a HO. Wouldnt a player with skill be able to avoid getting in an HO with these "freeking Tie-Fighters"? BTW, some people think the 190 is a dweeb plane, all guns and speed. Why is it that it's always the other guys plane that is the uber ride but never our own?
2nd the all the kill those guys cost u. I fly my D9 i tangle with an enemy and just once in the moment, he has burned all E and i want to turn and give him a little burst from my guns, one freeking dweeb comes in, shoots at the "wonderful easy target" that is hanging right in front of him and BOOM there goes the work of 5 mins of high adrenalin usage and E management.
Aren't you calling out how that enemy belongs to you on country channel? The only real complaints I understand are when you are close to a con, on his six and someone drops in between you and the con making you die a killshooter death, or shooting over your shoulder when you don't know a countryman is there. Scares the heck out of a guy cause at the moment he doesnt know if its a friend or foe. Otherwise, I never understood where someone thinks the have the exclusive right to a con. I guess that's just my failure to understand. I figure they just saw a con and wanted to shoot it. If I had been fighting a guy for 5 minutes, I would think maybe it was my failure to get a quick kill that cost me. Again, thats just me. Oh yeah, I hate when someone shoots at con that I have taken a wing or tail off of and it is obviously going down.
3rd, the missing of 6 calls, hey guys its so easy to press the 6 call key and let it go. I use it very often, even up to the max icon distance of 6.0k. But how often i fly and prepare to kill someone, just to be bounced by an enemy, the nice N1K1 and F4U dweebs saw comin at me, but instead of warning me they let him get me, and then go for him, cause he is an easier kill than.
Again, must be something wrong with me, I always assumed it was my own responsibility to keep and eye on my own 6, not blame others for failing to warn me. I sure do appreciate a 6 call when I get one, and I give alot of them out, but I try not to blame someone if he doesnt warn me. I don't really expect others to warn me especially when we are all in a fight already and nobody has a free moment.
Than the wonderful GE guns, this pee pee shooters if u compare em to any other plane in the game. I fill up SPits, F4Us LAs and so on. But WOW how durable all that planes are compare to my little tiny FW190, which was know as the weakest plane of WW2 falling apart even if a bullet only passes near bye. Even the ZEKE is hard to kill compare
to the D9.
Not quite following this complaint, (whats a GE?) but whatever the complaint is, I think you can rectify it by shooting your opponents better at closer range, and dont get yourself shot so often.
HTC plz rearange the perk point system, so that it more reflects the actual AH situation. The cHOG, dHOG, N1K1, Spit IX and LA7 should have the worst point multiplier. U ask why, cause they are the most seen planes in AH, and why they are?? Cause through player experience it was shown that they are the TOP 5 planes of AH. All other planes should be really good for getting perk points, especially the C202,C205 (i think they already are pretty good perk point machines once u fly em succesful), than the P47, the FW190 and the ME109.
I am not an expert on the perk system, I dont care much about points or score, I just want to have fun, but it is my general understanding that the best planes do have the lowest point mulitplier. Am I wrong in this understanding?
P.S. i dont want offend people who fly the HOG or the N1K1 outta squad reasons or cause its "the plane" for em, but even they must admit that the majority of the N1K1 and HOG drivers fly those birds cause they are freeking kill-scoring machines
I guess if I understand it, you like flying the 190, but kinda begrudge others from flying planes they like because you have trouble killing them? I used to fly with a squaddie who always flew the 190, he ran a 15 to 1 killing ratio. He flew it well, and didn't complain about other planes. He merely focused on what the other planes did well and how was the best way to fight against them, or get away from them.
Please excuse me and my lack of knowledge and understanding, I am still learning.
Dago
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Naudet, relax and take some days off AcesHigh. Then fun will be back again (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
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Originally posted by Ripsnort:
This is why they make boxed games.
lol (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
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I fly my D9 i tangle with an enemy and just once in the moment, he has burned all E and i want to turn and give him a little burst from my guns, one freeking dweeb comes in, shoots at the "wonderful easy target" that is hanging right in front of him and BOOM there goes the work of 5 mins of high adrenalin usage and E management.
It's called SA. Get some. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Thanks for the laughs Naudet and Hazed, I needed some cheer this afternoon. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
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Note: Never swear and apologize for swearing at the same time. The whole point of swearing is not to be apologetic.
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Let me describe a scene.
2 pilots coming head on both avoid initial "ho" hoping to set up each other. They both go into flat turn or near flat turns just past merge and once again are coming at each other head on both fire 1 guy dies.
Is that a "ho"?
Nikis will beat you through the turn and have a gun solution much faster.
An f4 will kill you much more quickly then any non-hispano plane.
These are facts in AH.
I only bring this up because I watched a fight between a knight 190 and a chog. not sure what version 190 was not close enough. I was in a buff above and about 5k to at closest point 3.5k. I watched the 190 blow thro merge and instead of climbing and doing an immelman he tried to out turn the f4. the f4 got around slightly faster and again they faced each other head on. I could not tell if any hits were score by either pilot but the 190 tried the same thing again and was ate up by the f4.
Then came the "chog ho dweebs etc". Well that 190 got what he deserved.
I hate chog blue pieces of crap. I have tried flying them but I like to roll and use my rudder alot which in a chog seems to stall. But I dont care I will never fly those smelly ugly beasts regularly enough to be concerned with mastering it. Chogs have killed me so have nikis. There are alot of them in the main which I dont like but then I hate the water world map. As a matter of fact I hate "pac war planes" and most things related to them. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
My only complaint is that the f4 hispanos have the ability to kill at what to me seem "unrealistic" ranges. Atleast compared to any other 20mm type in AH. Whether this is modeled "accurately" or not is up to Tony Williams and those who "know" and HTC. I take what they give me. I am buying the product they are selling because its fun. I am not buying it in the hopes that they will make it exactly the way I tell them to.
I have "squeaked" about hos and have been really mad at the guys who seem to just about stall reaching for that ho. That is more out of frustration and the human condition to blame others before looking at ones self.
Any way my 2 cents (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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(http://personal.jax.bellsouth.net/jax/t/y/tyr88/wotan.JPG)
Pray not for an end to the slaughter...but for VICTORY!!!
[This message has been edited by Wotan (edited 04-23-2001).]
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Not one bad thing said about a P-51! Hehe
Ditto Dago!
If I elect to make it a HEAD-ON situation, I am prepared to face what might happen when the lead hits my plane.......As far as the comments go, most people fly with ch.1 squelched anyways.......say anything ya want
cause they never see it...Just looks like whining to everyone else. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Thorns
[This message has been edited by Thorns (edited 04-23-2001).]
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LOL Dago!
Congrats on your post. Cause I found my self laughing at some of the most idiotic answers I've seen ppl throw out here on this board.
You completely missed what he was saying in 98% of that post cause you were too busy trying to flame the guy for what u wanted to hear. Bravo!
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I go with Dago most of the way.
Chogs and Nikis aint that kind of pain. There are many, so what? Both are nice targets and pretty easy to kill if you take the time to learn how and which plane to use.
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And Hazed proves again that the LuftWaffle Conspiracy Theory is alive and kicking! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/eek.gif)
SOB
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Sounds like someone thinks they know whats best for the rest of us. What an ego! It doesn' matter what aircraft I fly, I still die. I don't wine about it. It's a fact of life in here. I'm a bomber dude. I suck at those pointy things. Big deal. I don't need to cry about it.
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LOL Wingnut, you have made my post the "not the most idiotic post" by posting yours. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
I think I got the jist of the original post.
Lets summarize:
1) Other guys HO him, but he doesnt HO back.
(except that it takes 2 planes pointing their noses at each other to truly have an HO and he doesnt explain how he is innocent of the offense himself)
2)Other guys have no right to shoot at a con if he wants it all to himself. Wouldnt it be wonderful if we could call dibs? It just doesnt work that way, other guys come in, see a con and shoot at it. They have no way of knowing what has gone on before, just that there is a flying con and yes, they do have as much right as anyone to shoot at it.
3)Everyone is supposed to call his 6. He seems to assume again that everyone is watching him and his fighting. Nobody is owed a 6 call! If you get one, great. If not, too bad. I have seen many times guys squeak about no 6 call when in fact they had received several.
4) Still dont understand his next comment, but it seems to be a whine about gunnery, bullet strenght, and his lack of ability to make a solid kill.
5) Next, he thinks that the best fighters should have the lowest point multiplier. I honestly think they do, but again, I dont pay much attention to that stuff. Please enlighten me Wingnut where I am wrong here.
Finally, he closes with a left handed attempt to act gracious towards Hog and Nik drivers, but still throws in a little jab.
So Wingnut, if I missed the point, please elaborate exactly what it is. Make his point clearer for me. I guess it isn't:
He doesnt like that others are flying a plane they enjoy and he has trouble killing, and, we are responsible for watching his 6 so he can fly with poor SA, and, he gets the first and only crack at a con?
Share with me oh great one. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Oh, I forgot, you only wanted to insult me without trying to make any real point.
My original responce was made to present a "devils advocate" point of view, with a hope that he might understand others views regarding his concerns. He offered nothing constructive, no advice, no encouragment, just complaints.
Dago
(btw, I fly the spit most of the time) (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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>>>Sips drink moves on ...sigh!!
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DRILL
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Frankly Dago, Your post along with several other responses here are nothing but trying to paint that guy as some kind of whiner. The key work here in this community is Whiner...Whiner..
Anytime someone post something and that person fly's a LW AC well he's just whining and then someone who doesn't comes along and says the same dam thing it's fine.
Getting tired of the Gaming attitude around here and your post does nothing but prove that to me.
So cause he doens't like ppl jumping in and stealing his kill when he's been fighting the guy for awhile, that's not ok?
Cause he get's annoyed cause every gamer flying a Chawg try's to force a HO, he should get over it?
Because some ppl on his team will sit there and not call his 6 for him when he does for them he shouldn't get ticked?
Your number 4 comment? "Seems to be a whine" "and his lack of ability to make a solid kill"
Your post is nothing but one large smart bellybutton comment and is an outstanding example why sevral ppl are getting fed up with the community. He offered nothing constructive? Well you weren't exactly a fountain of knowledge Cochise.
So if you don't like his thread, ignore it. It's his thread, his opinion and he can keep it.
[This message has been edited by Wingnut_0 (edited 04-23-2001).]
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Wingnut, a lot of us fly LW, and a lot of other things. The preface alone says, paraphrased
"this is not addressed to the many LW fans I am flying with...there are many many players that fly around without any amount of skill, HOing all day"
Now, where would someone get the LW superiority/whining complex from?
How many US/Italy/UK/Russian/Japanese flyers open their posts with "this is not directed to my fellow <insert plane type> flyers, I know you guys are better. It's to all the crummy fliers that fly LW planes because they have no skill."
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I hear ya Fatty...
This isn't directed at any of my fellow C47 pilots, but man don't you get tired of the dweebs flying plane's with guns and constantly shooting us down? Especially the LimpWristed LeatherWearing LittleWienered LuftWeenies, those guys are so skill less they actually RUN INTO the ground trying to shoot my C47 down.
-SW
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The fun continues, and since I seem to be in a typing mood today, lets look at a couple of your statements Wingnut.
"So cause he doens't like ppl jumping in and stealing his kill when he's been fighting the guy for awhile, that's not ok?"
Nobody likes having someone jump into the middle of a good fight, one that they have been working. The fact remains none the less that in most cases, the guy jumping in to help just might think he is doing just that, helping. Also, it is a mistake to think that others know anything about the fight you have been engaged in. They see a con, they attack the con. Thats the way it is. Doing so isn't really wrong.
"Cause he get's annoyed cause every gamer flying a Chawg try's to force a HO, he should get over it?"
He doesnt like the fact that some Chogs will gladly take an HO against him? Big freaking deal. It just so happens that the HO is a heck of a tactic when you have them big assed cannons sticking out front. I find this whine as silly, no, even more silly than those who complain when a P51 or 190 run from a turn fight. Know your planes strengths and use them to your best advantage. Any hog driver who engages in a turn fight with a lighter armed and better turning aircraft, when he could have blown him away with a HO is a fool. I had the good luck of staying at a hotel last fall that had a reunion get together of a WWII P38 squadron being held there at the time. I spent as much time as I could talking with these guys about everything I could, and the subject of HO attacks came up. They told me that they "specialized" in HO attacks on the German aircraft as the P38 had such great centerline guns, and of course didnt stand a chance turning with the German aircraft. Seems HO's are a historical fact, embraced by REAL fighter pilots when it was a strength.
I think if someone, anyone, doesnt like HO's, they should avoid them. Dont whine about others doing them. ALL HO's have to have one thing: BOTH AIRCRAFT DOING IT.
"Because some ppl on his team will sit there and not call his 6 for him when he does for them he shouldn't get ticked?"
Not getting 6 calls sucks, I agree, but I also believe nobody owes you one, and we shouldnt complain because we didnt get one.
My original responce is a reaction to the fact that this thread started with a post about how all the other guys are screwing up the game by not playing in a manner that favors this one guy. Some guys think this game exists just so they can build up their ego by being a great fighter pilot, and when reality intrudes, they lash out.
I suffer no such illusion, I die regularly and I dont care. Many players routinely kick my butt in the game. I got used to it.
Dont come on here, start a thread bashing the majority of players in this game and expect a bunch of support. Why does anyone think they should exclude the LW types as if they are superior and use better tactics?
There was no point to the original thread, just a frustrated player venting at the expense of alot of players, and I for one thing he needs to expand his thinking a little.
Dago
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Fatty,
Let me redirect this focus....Does his view on LW AC make the rest of his post any less? He said his LW flyers in JG54...he didn't say all them...and included other ppl. Sounds to me like he didn't want his squadies thinking the 6 calls or steal killing was directed to them. From what I read you and Dago both jumped to conclusion by reading only what u wanted to read.
There's several threads rolling now and have in the past about what quite a few (and I'm not going by just BBS posters) feel is are some major set backs to this game.
When anyone brings these up, the same old ppl attack the person, if not outright, by flamebasting him cause the person must not be doing something right, yada yada yada.
You may feel your right, he feels he is....should his be thrown out anymore than ur opinion? As pointed out, only a handful post on this BBS and therefore only a view of a minority? I hear the same things everytime I log in.
Most of the time I stay out of these threads but quite frankly dago's post pissed me off. Naudet fly's on my team but I'm not a squadie..I've known him awhile but wouldn't say I know him very well. So this isn't about taking up for him. This is simply cause I at least am tired of seeing someone get a host of BS reply's when he feels something is out of wack or wants to make a public statement over something that annoy's him (like kill stealing).
So I'm going to shut up and end the post...because this BBS is annoying me and I need to go take my blood pressure medicine.
[This message has been edited by Wingnut_0 (edited 04-23-2001).]
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This has nothing to do with his right to post his opinion. It's several statements pointing out that this is a perfect example of what has developed the LuftWhiner stereotype. Whether or not the rest of the post makes any sense, self-defined as biased from the opening 2 sentences.
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Well Naudet is a friend of mine and has been for quite sometime now. Considering he is from a foreign country and posting in our language is applaudable. but saying he is a whiner or a LW whiner is not what I am gathering out of this thread at all.
He is voicing his opinion on the gameplay and things that are making him mad. I think it is safe to say that a lot of us feel the same way he does. What really needs to be looked at is where this community is going.
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Sturm6 StaffelKapitän
JV44 Platzschutzstaffel
Airfield Defense Squadron
"Did we give up when the Germans bombed Pearl harbor?" Famous quote from Animal House, John Belushi.
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I dont care if anyone flys LW, or whatever.
I probably shouldnt care that someone comes on here and complains. Lament the community if you want, but step back and look at the beginning of this thread. Is it a positive example of the community?
Hide behind the "community" thing now? Give me a break. I guess you prefer a community of complainers and poor losers. Try and show HTC some support and get attacked as a cheerleader. Piss and moan and all of a sudden you are a great guy of outstanding honesty and a valued member of the "community".
This thread started merely as a complaint about the fact that many players dont do as one person wants them to do. No suggestions, nothing really positive.
Just how many threads have to whine about the CHOG??? Perk this, perk that, HO dweebs. Sheessssssshhhhhhhhhhhhhh.
If ya want to whine, whine about something new and original, please.
BTW, I never take this stuff personal, its just part of the fun of debate. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Dago
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I still laugh at everyone who has for the entire length of development for this game been saying that gunners on bombers are too good. Yes I have been here in one form or another since way back in early beta testing and it was talked about then also.
Please people if you would start using tactics that work and not sit at the low or dead 6 position you might be able to live through the flight. Some of you people might want to start using slashing attacks on all bombers or find the blind spot and go in on that area.
My rant now I am off to bed.
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ObstLt. Reschke
2/LJK Staffelkapitan
Kommandeur Jagdbomber
LuftJagerKorps (http://www.luftjagerkorps.com)
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Hmmmm-more attitude type comments. Perk system may have something to do with kill stealing, although I remember diving into a fight once thinking I was helping a countryman only to get chewed out for interrupting a private war. Pork the Perks.