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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: Virage on May 12, 2002, 10:45:01 PM

Title: 1/2 wing planes
Post by: Virage on May 12, 2002, 10:45:01 PM: Why can alot of planes fly with 1/2 of the wing damaged while other planes, with exactly Identical damage, lose control?
Title: 1/2 wing planes
Post by: SOB on May 13, 2002, 12:06:37 AM: Surely, it's part of the conspiracy.
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Post by: skernsk on May 13, 2002, 12:52:15 AM: shhh .. don't say the "c" word.
Title: 1/2 wing planes
Post by: SOB on May 13, 2002, 02:28:40 AM: What, "canuck"? :D
Title: Re: 1/2 wing planes
Post by: ccvi on May 13, 2002, 07:18:45 AM: Quote
Originally posted by Virage
Why can alot of planes fly with 1/2 of the wing damaged while other planes, with exactly Identical damage, lose control?

I've never lost a half wing on axis aircraft. Those .50s always take away a whole wing from d1000+.

Are you sure they're unflyable with a half wing missing?
Title: Re: 1/2 wing planes
Post by: moose on May 13, 2002, 07:51:56 AM: Quote
Originally posted by Virage
Why can alot of planes fly with 1/2 of the wing damaged while other planes, with exactly Identical damage, lose control?

good one virage, it took me a second to figure out what it said

109s cannot fly sans 1/2 wing. maybe different wing characteristics/loading?
Title: 1/2 wing planes
Post by: Staga on May 13, 2002, 08:21:18 AM: FW is easy to land if both wingtips are missing.
Last time I checked (not purposely...) P-51 can maintain level flight without one wingtip in autopilot if you have enough speed. Try same with 109 ;)
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Post by: Ripsnort on May 13, 2002, 11:27:03 AM: Quote
Originally posted by Staga
FW is easy to land if both wingtips are missing.
Last time I checked (not purposely...) P-51 can maintain level flight without one wingtip in autopilot if you have enough speed. Try same with 109 ;)

Untrue for the 109E! ;)
Title: 1/2 wing planes
Post by: SOB on May 13, 2002, 01:47:47 PM: 109G2 can fly away and land with 1/2 a wing missing.

SOB
Title: 1/2 wing planes
Post by: DmdNexus on May 13, 2002, 04:03:43 PM: I shot the wing tip off one of those F4U-4 perkie rides...
This guy goes into a dive and just walks away from my P51.

I get the impression that loosing parts in this game doesn't affects the aerodynamics at all.

It may affect the ability to pitch, yaw, and roll, but lift and speed performance doesn't seem to be affected.

I wonder if multiple .50 cal bulwet holes in the wing affect lift.
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Post by: Tac on May 13, 2002, 04:10:00 PM: heck, F4U's should thank me when I blow their wingtips off. They even faster without them ;)
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Post by: SKurj on May 13, 2002, 04:16:36 PM: typh slows down when missing wing parts, as does FW190a5... at least when i fly em they do...

SKurj
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Post by: BenDover on May 13, 2002, 05:05:13 PM: Quote
Originally posted by DmdNexus
I shot the wing tip off one of those F4U-4 perkie rides...
This guy goes into a dive and just walks away from my P51.

that could be a bug, i kept seeing some guy in an f4u with a missing wing tip, either it was a bug or he was a l33t hacker:rolleyes:
Title: 1/2 wing planes
Post by: Soda on May 13, 2002, 06:59:22 PM: Check out this Me262 I had out one time... tore both wingtips off in a dive yet managed to pull it level. It was completely controllable though it didn't turn as well. Sea Level cruise speed was over 625mph without the wingtips. Check out the pic.

-Soda
The Assassins.
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Post by: Soda on May 13, 2002, 07:00:30 PM: Let's try to attach this again.....

-Soda
Title: 1/2 wing planes
Post by: LLv34_Camouflage on May 13, 2002, 08:19:05 PM: Quote
Originally posted by SOB
109G2 can fly away and land with 1/2 a wing missing.

I've managed to do this only once, back in AH 1.02 or something. Never since, and man, have I had the opportunities to try it. ;)

Based on my experiences, the G-2 can not be flown and landed with half a wing missing.

Camo
Title: 1/2 wing planes
Post by: GRUNHERZ on May 13, 2002, 09:39:34 PM: The Bf109G in AH is NOT controllable with 1/2 wing damage!

The F4U handles 1/2 wing damage the best. FW190 and N1K2J are next but not very close.

I have no idea what criteria are used to determine 1/2 wing control but we can be sure they do not consist of:

Wing Loading (Fw 190 has much higher WL than Bf109G)
Roll Rate (The NIK2J does not roll very fast. Neither does the TBM Avenger)
Torque (F4U has large torque effect.)

Frankly I think it's random.
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Post by: Mitsu on May 14, 2002, 02:08:30 AM: btw, I want these effects in AH. :)

(http://www.lo-mac.com/ss/B52_dmg.JPG)

(http://www.lo-mac.com/ss/Su25_dmg.JPG)
Title: 1/2 wing planes
Post by: Preon1 on May 14, 2002, 08:09:07 AM: Virage, it has to do with engine torque. If you notice, some planes can fly with one wingtip missing but not the other. If the torque applied by the rotating propeller is stong enough to counter the lack of lift from that wingtip, the plane can maintain straight and level flight, even land... but it's not going to be able to fight at ALL.