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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: -ammo- on May 13, 2002, 03:02:11 PM
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THE VAL!
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yay!
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hmmmm
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Yummy.
(http://www.hitechcreations.com/natedog/val.JPG)
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Oh man what a nice fluffy defenseless target!! Shooting this down will be almost as easy as succeding in another recently popular game.... (sorry) :D
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Always loved fly 1 vs 1 in Vals. :D This is a great basic airmanship training aircraft.
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nice graphics.hope it won't slow me down too much
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As a CM, I just breathed a huge sigh of relief. This means the SBD can't be far away, and that opens up the scenario possibilities a lot!
Thanks Pyro and Nate and Super! :D
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I think...SBD coming soon.
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i see midway....
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sweeeeeeet! :D
now... chant along!
dauntless... dauntless!!! DAUNTLESS!!! ;)
also, does this mean the Kate is coming sometime too? Or will our Avenger get the Jill as its counterpart? :confused: :D
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I see a compleat waste of time, the only place it will be of any use is in a once a year Scenario. It caries the same bombload as our Zero and is more fragile than it is, and has only two 7.7mm MG's firing forward, The phrase "be carefull what you ask for, you may well get it" comes to mind.
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brady--
you are certainly looking at this from a different frame of mind then alot of scenario minded people, and HTC.
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brewster buffalo and some betty's and we can do a midway senario :)
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are u sure it carries the same bombload as the 0?...well if you put a gunner in the rear seat and a pilot as well maybe it's gonna be quite a plane. But this sucks cause I wanted the Helldiver :(
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Way cool!
Brady, your being CT staff, I can't believe you aren't excited about what this may bring to your arena. Zekes and Vals will make for very tough opponents for Wildcats and Warkhawks and give a very different flavor and draw to the CT than the late-war uber plane MA. I look forward to early Pac War setups and the possibility of even a CVs vs CVs map in the CT too. You are poo-pooing an aircraft that is part of completing a planeset for what is my greatest interest of WW2. I'll definitely attend the CT if this planeset is utilized, but I wonder just how restricted your vision is to the growth of the CT.
TOD, SEA and CT will benefit.
Pearl, Coral Sea, Midway, Guadalcanal, Eastern Solomons and more!
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In WBs this plane was a fierce competitor. Several people used it almost exclusively as a dogfighter and were very very good in it.
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i can't wait ki-43-I, ki-44-I, and ki-61-I-Ko or Otsu... :)
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the most of screens are revealed, so I bet HTC would release new version in this month!
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I see a compleat waste of time, the only place it will be of any use is in a once a year Scenario. It caries the same bombload as our Zero and is more fragile than it is, and has only two 7.7mm MG's firing forward, The phrase "be carefull what you ask for, you may well get it" comes to mind.
So much for the cooperative spirit and support between the CT Staff and the CM's. :rolleyes:
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Val looks great!
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Udie, I was under the impression that only about 9 Buffalos were available for the Battle of Midway and only flew once and that only one Buffalo survived (with the surviving Buffalo being suspected of avoiding combat.) If I'm wrong, I'm always open to learn. Also, I'm curious as to the #'s and the role of the Betty's during the Battle Of Midway.
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*screams in ungodly pain as his testicles untangle and shrink in horror*
Its not a green 38
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH HHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH HHHHHHHHHHHHHouch.
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US OOB (http://www.microworks.net/pacific/orders_of_battle/midway_usa.htm)
Japan OOB (http://www.microworks.net/pacific/orders_of_battle/midway_japan.htm)
oops fer midway that is
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Another waste of time. Scenarios are nice, but this plane will see as much action as the Hurricane IID. If it has a EnV value of 150 then it might see some use but not much. I think there were more deserving planes then this one. But
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Originally posted by Sachs
I am with Brady on this one watch what you ask for, and who the hell voted for this plane anyway? Puzzling I tell you.
CM's submitted suggestions.
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While I'm all for solidarity within the CT staff, I'm going to respectfully disagree with Brady here. Bomb load is not the whole story here. The Val was a very capable dive bomber. With the advent of the 1.10 bomber enhancements, bombing of any kind will be more realistic in that bombs will not fly perfect ballistic trajectories as they do now. So dive bombers, with their inherently more stable and steeper angle dives will likely be more accurate than most fighters. So while it may not carry a bigger bomb load than the A6M3, it will be more effective as a dive bomber. Plus, we don't know what kind of bomb load the A6M2 will carry. So in historical set ups, it will pair nicely with it's historical counterparts. I'm glad to have it for scenarios, events, and the CT. Thanks, HTC.
Sabre
CT Staff
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I am looking for tools, and the Val is not what I was hoping for, for all the reasions I stated, The CM's are right to be happy, they build set ups that are far more specific in nature, say the ballte of midway for example, a great plane for this to be shure, but how am I suposed to do a battle of midway and make it last all week?, cant be done. Now for the Solomans to be shure it would fit their it was in use and was slaughtered when apposed, those Wildcat flyers will be happy bears to be shure. Lets look at like this, The alies get a Boston for an early Pac Buff and the Japanese get a Val, arg, I know It is to soon to be shure, we will get more planes, but thier is now way to do a balenced CT set up with a Val and a Zero as the only two Early war Japanese planes,hopefully more are on the way:) The CM's and The CT are not nescesarly looking for the same things, and those are my openions and certainaly not intended to reflect those of the other CT stafers at any time. I simply see the Val siting in the hanger 99% of the time and I know how hard HTC works to bring us these new toys, I applaud all their hard work and the work done on the Val it is Beautiful, I just would of wished for somthing else thats all.Howeaver I may be over reacting, maybe we will get a full early war Japanese planeset in this patch and this plane will not be the sole adation in the new plane catagory for Japan:)
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The CM's submited sugestions? huh?
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Originally posted by Sabre
While I'm all for solidarity within the CT staff, I'm going to respectfully disagree with Brady here. Bomb load is not the whole story here. The Val was a very capable dive bomber. With the advent of the 1.10 bomber enhancements, bombing of any kind will be more realistic in that bombs will not fly perfect ballistic trajectories as they do now. So dive bombers, with their inherently more stable and steeper angle dives will likely be more accurate than most fighters. So while it may not carry a bigger bomb load than the A6M3, it will be more effective as a dive bomber. Plus, we don't know what kind of bomb load the A6M2 will carry. So in historical set ups, it will pair nicely with it's historical counterparts. I'm glad to have it for scenarios, events, and the CT. Thanks, HTC.
Sabre
CT Staff
AH, the voice of reason and cogent thinking appears. :)
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The CM's submited sugestions? huh?
Yes, the CM's regularly submit suggestions to HTC for planes we need to expand our scenarios and TOD's.
For 1.10 we suggested:
F4F/FM2
A6M2
P-40
D3A
SBD-5
B5N
Stuka
Don't think the Stuka is otw yet, but it's nice to know that HTC supports our endeavors.
Huge to HTC for this release!
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Great, Event's that run once in a blue moon are dectating our plane adations, no wounder I beat my head into desktop so often.I must up my medication:(
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I agree Brady. Damn those stupid CM's for trying to expand the planeset. What a bunch of morons!
:rolleyes:
Oh yeah, it was those same stupid CM's that provided the BoB terrain you're enjoying in the CT at the moment, you idiot!
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I love hair pulling :)
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Dismiss the Val at your peril....
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"Event's that run once in a blue moon are dectating our plane adations..."
Damn good point Brady! Right-O!
HTC, please abandon all work on these useless aircraft and also please remove the early war Hurricane, Spitfire and 109's variants so you can spend time on....
...sh&t!
Brady never said what they should spend time on??
Brady? What are your personal preferences. HTC awaits and so do we!
(not like I'm not gonna sh&t all over them but hey, all's fair in love and ubb posting)
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You guys make me sick....squeak and moan when we dont get any planes and then squeak and moan some more when we get them and you dont think they are any good or wont be used or whatever.
Screw you!!
These planes are exactly what we as a CM team have been asking for. This opens up all kinds of possibilities for early war Pac stuff and I am very happy to be getting them.
Geez...what happened to all the guys who were yelling for earlier war stuff and were always squeaking about the late war planes that were being modelled. We finally get some early war stuff and all we hear is more squeaking.
You're giving me a fediddlein' ulcer.
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LOL...funny thread.
:D
FWIW Val was a terrific turner in AW, and a biatch to kill.
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midway is already on the drawing boards, a midway map is being designed for the new terrain editor coming out soon, and a scenario is comin with it...
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You can also water ski naked behind a Val.
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Brady, there are very few planes that could be added to the MA which would bring anything new to the game or be competitive surely? How many more late war rides do we need?
With the current planeset OTOH early/mid war pac scenarios just can't be run. This is part of a move to rectify this.
HTC, thank you I LOVE it :)
Vladd
(http://www.btinternet.com/~nexx/56sig.gif)
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I think you gentailmen may be mising my point, and that is the adation of aircraft that will add ballence to the apposing sides, Granted we now have the tools to build a plane set for the battle of midway(asuming we get a kate), but at the expense of not finishing the late war Japanese plane set which is not balenced, so we now have no distenctaly balenced plaset for the Japanese.Of course we must start somewhere it realy is a catch 22. I certainly did not intend to insult the hard work that the CM's do for us but I do Question the adation of plane type's from time to time, and often champion the adation of planes for countries left out on the short end of the stick. For a balenced early war Japanese planeset we could use a Betty and an Oscar, and a Nick, to name but 3 planes to suplement the Val. To help the later warplane set we could of used a Ki 102, or a ki84, a Judy or a Grace, and any of several fighter types for any and all periouds of time during the war for the Japanese.
Perhaps if their were indead some coperation between the CM's and the CT stafers this type of debate could be avoided in the future for as it is now we are compleatly divergant from oneanother, or perhaps this is how it is intended to be, one was not intended to serve the other as i was informed from somewone on high,I do salute all the hard work the CM's do howeaver and the only problem i have is that they may indead be excersing to much influcence on what planes are added.
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russkies should get a P-39. It would also fit for the PAC theatre :)
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Gentailmen these are my openions alone and not the CT stafers.
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I agree with Vladd, we have lots of late war planes, many of which were quite rare. We have enough variety in competitive fighters for the MA that no matter what style of fighting you like, (BnZ, TnB etc) there is a plane you can use. Now it looks like HTC is going back and filling in many of the planes that actually fought most of the war and are much more historically significant than the La-7 for example.
Contrary to popular assertion, I believe that many of these will be flown quite a bit in the MA. Some people seem to think that people are so bound up with score and such that they would never fly anything that doesnt give them maximum advantage. I disagree. Many people choose to fly planes that they love for historical or aesthetic reasons, and despite the plane having a performance handicap against the best of the late war superplanes, these people quickly learn to fly their pets to the best advantage.
The P-47 crowd springs to mind. Although the P-47 isnt the fastest plane in the game, and it certainly isnt the most manouverable, it has legions of faithful fans (of which I am one) that use its strengths to great advantage in the MA.
While I do care about my score, it isnt my sole driving factor in everything I do in AH. I try to keep it up there (mostly unsuccessfully) but that is balanced other factors many times. While I certainly pick the best tool, or in this case the best airplane, for the job if I am playing the strat game, and trying to capture bases, or if I am trying to boost my score up a little, many times I just want to fly a certain plane that I particularly love. The challenge is fun too. How long will this Avenger last against those 3 Nikis? (answer: not very :) )
I for one am very happy to see the Val, and I can only hope that the SBD is close on its heels.
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Have to admit I was disappointed to see the D3A. Warbirds has it, Target:Rabaul will have it, and now AH has it. I was hoping to see the less famous but much more capable later war Japanese attack aircraft that few sims bother to model. With AH's late-war bias I thought they would come sooner than later, but it looks like this ship has changed course. 'fraid it'll be a loooonngg time before we see a D4Y, B7A, or maybe even Ki84 now.
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It's true that this plane will never be seen in the MA, but doesn't it seem that it's time for AH to expand out of it's uber planeset? AH's planeset has always been skewed almost entirely to 1945 planes, or earlier planes that could fit in a late war planeset. It's nice to see that HTC finally feels ready to release a bunch of non-MA planes for a change.
We have a terrain editor, mission planner, CM tools, strategic targets, and now a planeset which is growing to allow all those things to be put to good use. This dead meat Jap plane is a good sign.
We'll get our Yak-3/P-47M/Ki-84 etc. eventually.
ra
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Originally posted by Ozark
You can also water ski naked behind a Val.
LOL! HT model this please...as for the rest of the thread: :rolleyes:
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Originally posted by ra
It's true that this plane will never be seen in the MA, but doesn't it seem that it's time for AH to expand out of it's uber planeset? AH's planeset has always been skewed almost entirely to 1945 planes, or earlier planes that could fit in a late war planeset. It's nice to see that HTC finally feels ready to release a bunch of non-MA planes for a change.
We have a terrain editor, mission planner, CM tools, strategic targets, and now a planeset which is growing to allow all those things to be put to good use. This dead meat Jap plane is a good sign.
ra
As much as i hate getting shot down by you, I will admit that I agree with your statement 100% :)
We'll get our Yak-3/P-47M/Ki-84 etc. eventually.
drool
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Originally posted by brady
Granted we now have the tools to build a plane set for the battle of midway(asuming we get a kate), but at the expense of not finishing the late war Japanese plane set which is not balenced,
This assumes that there are significant late war Japanese planes that are ready for modeling (ie fully researched). I don't know that this is the case. Maybe you have different information.
I'm gald we have the Val otw. Personally, 50% of my time is spent flying TOD, so the Val will get some use in my life. Thanks to HTC.
-Sikboy
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It's ONE airplane. Get a grip folks. :rolleyes:
A6M5b Zeke
BF109E-4
BF109F-4
BF109G-2
BF109G-6
BF109G-10
BF110C-4b
BF110G-2
C.202
C.205
F4U-1 Corsair
F4U-1C Corsair
F4U-1D Corsair
F4U-4 Corsair
F6F-5 Hellcat
FW190A-5
FW190A-8
FW190D-9
FW190F-8
Hurricane Mk1
Hurricane MkIIc
Hurricane MkIId
Ki-61 Tony
LA-5FN
LA-7
ME262a
Mosquito MkVI
N1K2-J George
P-38L Lightning
P-47D-11 Thunderbolt
P-47D-25 Thunderbolt
P-47D-30 Thunderbolt
P-51B Mustang
P-51D Mustang
Seafire IIc
Spitfire MkI
Spitfire MkV
Spitfire MkIX
Spitfire MkXIV
Ta152H
Tempest V
Typhoon
Yak9T
Yak9U
Ar234B
B-17G Flying Fortress
B-26B Marauder
C-47A Dakota
IL-2 Type 3 Sturmovik
JU88A-4
Ki-67 Peggy
Lancaster III
TBM-3 Avenger
Plus, several more aircraft coming in 1.10! All the whining over a Val? Heck, I was hoping for a Yak-3! I'm sure as heck not going to cry about it on the board. (Pyro, If I don't get a Yak-3 I'll hold my breath until I turn blue!) Oops... it just slipped out.
I'm very happy with the IJN early plane set. It, along with other aircraft, is needed to round out the plane set.
Well, that's my 2 bits.
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Glad it's here, keep bringing on the early war planes. Fill the damn pot, if it was in the war, put it in the sim. Salute HTC!:)
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all this squeakin over a single screenie of a new plane??
damn guys, relax ... enjoy your new toy. For all you know there may be 5 other planes included in 1.10, but I'm sure there will be plenty of squeakin about those too.
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can the Val carry a torp?
NUTTZ
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Originally posted by NUTTZ
can the Val carry a torp?
NUTTZ
only if you have lots of ductape and a stapler
-Sikboy
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Hey, let's squeak about the Val's flight model now while we're at it
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Originally posted by Makofan
Hey, let's squeak about the Val's flight model now while we're at it
Good point!
It stalls at the slightest up pressure. :mad:
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Originally posted by cajun
!!! I Cant belive it! They added this thing instead of a biwinger! fixed landing gear, only 2x7.7mm mgs, looks fun to fly but look at biplanes, late verions of I-153 had 2x20mms retractable landing gear and carried 2x160lb bombs and 6xrockets! Gloster Gladiator had 4x7.7mm mgs, hs-123 had 2x7.7mm mgs OR 2x20mms! and CR42 had a top speed of 314MPH and 2x12.7 or 2x20mm cannons! Add biplanes!!
This HAS to be a troll
-Sikboy
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Originally posted by Sikboy
This HAS to be a troll
-Sikboy
Whats a "troll"?
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Troll? Troll!?!?
We need the UC-43 Traveler way before the Val! Heck, I got to fly Ike to France next tour.
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I cant believe anybody could oppose the D3A in AH. It was the premier IJN Dive bomber of WW2, and will be a great addition to any TOD, CT, or Scenario setup. Its a critical a/c to have.
This may be news, but AH isnt *just* about the Main Arena. There is room for other types as well, and I applaud the addition of an axis dive bomber.
As for some CT types, I shake my head, you ask for historical types, how could the D3A be a bad choice?
You know, all these fighters, they need something to escort in the CT, and something to intercept too, yes?
Midway would rock as an event, so would Gualdacanal or New Guinea 1943/44 ect.
Now the IJ have the A6M2, Ki-67 (a great Betty sub) and the D3A. Thats a good mid war start. F4F, add a SBD, have the A-20 otw, things are looking up for the Pacific.
Btw the reason the D3A is dangerous is because in a dive bombing attack it can put a 500KG AP bomb on a ship with a good 80 percent chance of a hit. Thats how you win CV vs CV, not with Zeros.
Regards.
p.s. Cajun? its not a fighter.
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Originally posted by Squire
I cant believe anybody could oppose the D3A in AH. It was the premier IJN Dive bomber of WW2, and will be a great addition to any TOD, CT, or Scenario setup. Its a critical a/c to have.
This may be news, but AH isnt *just* about the Main Arena. There is room for other types as well, and I applaud the addition of an axis dive bomber.
As for some CT types, I shake my head, you ask for historical types, how could the D3A be a bad choice?
You know, all these fighters, they need something to escort in the CT, and something to intercept too, yes?
Midway would rock as an event, so would Gualdacanal or New Guinea 1943/44 ect.
Now the IJ have the A6M2, Ki-67 (a great Betty sub) and the D3A. Thats a good mid war start. F4F, add a SBD, have the A-20 otw, things are looking up for the Pacific.
Btw the reason the D3A is dangerous is because in a dive bombing attack it can put a 500KG AP bomb on a ship with a good 80 percent chance of a hit. Thats how you win CV vs CV, not with Zeros.
Regards.
p.s. Cajun? its not a fighter.
...I didnt word my post too good sorry, Yes I like D3A and think its a very good addittion and I'll prolly fly it allot, but what I don't understand is why they don't add biplanes as well? There were biplane dive bombers that would be very usefull in ah, as well as some very good biplane fighters such as cr42, and glostergladiator.
PS I agree with what u said about MA, I've heard enough of that "They'll be worthless in MA" in my biwinger threads lol.
I like scenarios, but you can't have good early/mid war scenarios without biplanes, infact some biplanes like swordfish were used
throughout the whole war even as late as 1944-1945.
Maybe I just gotta wait, but it seems HT is totally ignoring the fact that biplanes also played an important roll, I was just kinda mad that after all that junk about biplanes not bein used in MA and bein to "Obsolite" to add in ah, and they get excited about the D3a...
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can the Val carry a torp?
Nope, but hopefully the D3A's partner in crime, the B5N "Kate" will be making an appearance shortly. It was an effective torpedo bomber in the early war period.
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brady,
What we need is an H8K2 "Emily". It was doing operations in 1942 and would give F4Fs and P-40s nightmares.:D
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Karnak,
What ops were the H8Ks doing? Were they sent out singly on long range patrols? Did they ever mass in force and bomb Allied targets? Always wondered about this. My impression is that it was the Japanese counterpart to the PBY, although much superior.
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Originally posted by john9001
i see midway....
Hmmm. I see Pearl.
-RY-
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Sikboy said:
This assumes that there are significant late war Japanese planes that are ready for modeling (ie fully researched).
Excellant point, Sikboy. As for banana and Brady...you both sit down in a corner and take a time out.;) Jeeze, kids these days!
For what it's worth, Brady, not all the selections were based solely on scenario selection alone. As an example: I recall, banana was opposed to the P-40's inclusion in 1.10, but it had solid backing among many other CM and CT staffers (those of us that have access to both forums). It had support not solely because it was ideal for some scenarios but because it filled a good hole in the CT as well. It also of course has a place in TOD's and snapshots. There were other A/C that would have been better if scenario usage were the only concern. That doesn't help the Japanese planeset much, I know.
On a side note, I believe a fellow with the call sign of "Toad" was rather deadly in the Val back in WB. People got careless thinking it an easy kill, so they'd get slow trying to get a shot and hang in the fight just a few seconds too long. Still out there Toad?
Sabre
CT Staff
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The Japanese, or at least Kawanishi, lacked the capability of producing vast numbers of an aircraft that size.
(http://www.warbirds.nu/photo/H8K2/ki03.jpg)
The total H8K production was only 167 aircrat, of which 112 were H8K2s. I was in error in my first post in this thread, H8K1s were in operation in 1942, H8K2s didn't enter service until 1943.
(http://www.strategyplanet.com/commandos/images/h8k2_6.jpg)
The H8K had a wingspan of 124.6ft, a length of 92.3ft and a height of 31.2ft. The H8K2's full takeoff weight was 71,650lbs. It was noticably bigger than a B-17G. According to what I have read the H8K was the single biggest advancement in flying boats ever, and remained the single best flying boat for quite a few years after WWII ended.
(http://www.strategyplanet.com/commandos/images/h8k2_7.jpg)
The H8K2 was used in the maritime recon role as well as an attack aircraft and a bomber. Its bombload was only eight 250kg bombs, but that is still twice the payload of any other Japanese bomber. It could also carry two torpedoes. It was defended by five 20mm Type 99 I cannon and several 7.7mm Type 92 machine guns. For protection it had self sealing fuel tanks, some engine armor and armored crew positions. It was quite possibly the toughest aircraft of WWII.
(http://www.strategyplanet.com/commandos/images/h8k2_3.jpg)
It was powered by four Mitsubishi MK4Q Kasei 22 fourteen-cylinder air-cooled radials, rated at 1,850hp for take-off, 1,680hp at 2,100m and 1,540hp at 5,500m, driving four-blade metal propellers, giving it the impressive (for an aircraft its size) climb rate of 1,600ft per minute average climb to 16,400ft. It carried enough fuel to fly for 24 hours.
(http://www.strategyplanet.com/commandos/images/h8k2_4_UpperDeck.jpg)
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Sabre, you sound as though you and the CM's know exactly what is to be released. Do tell!
:D
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A couple notes
First off, the idea that the CMs dictate what planes are put in the game holds no water.
Back at the convention, during his speech, hitech said the direction the company was taking was to work on Special Events. Hell, most of the reasons that WB is still afloat is because that entire community is BUILT on scenarios and their CM team. The two events I flew in over 'there' were more fun then all of my other flight experience combined.
I'm incredibly happy with what planes we got for 1.09 and that are scheduled for 1.10. They're filling out the planeset quite nicely with selections that will help build great scenarios which in turn will build the community. (thus falling within hitech's plan)
A point which I think needs to be made is that Aces High will probably not suffer the same fate as Warbirds did. If the team over there hadn't split up, we probably would have one really expensive polished WWII sim with 150+ planes instead of having a cheap maturing sim like we do now. The competition between AH, WB, and WWIIOL is healthy for the entire sim community. If AH flourishes as well as it has sofar, I cannot visualize HTC not just continuing to push out new planes.
And Steven, we don't know anything you guys don't. The D3A was a complete surprise to the CM team. (i think? maybe i missed something ;) )
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The H8K is a Must Karnak, that is for sure, hopefully we will see it someday.
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real a nice post Karnak
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i saw karnak's first emily photo, and im really sad.
the emily should move to museum as soon as possible. :mad:
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Originally posted by Mitsu
i saw karnak's first emily photo, and im really sad.
the emily should move to museum as soon as possible. :mad:
Mitsu, the Emily up there is at the Museum of Maritime Science (http://www.funenokagakukan.or.jp/top.html) in Shinagawa, Tokyo. :)
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no FD...that's not my point.
i fear the corrosion. at least it should be kept away from the sea.
and also i can't believe a swimming pool is near by this precious plane! :mad:
the visitors may damage it too... :(
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Originally posted by moose
First off, the idea that the CMs dictate what planes are put in the game holds no water.
Thats right, suggest is a better word.
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For what it's worth, Brady, not all the selections were based solely on scenario selection alone. As an example: I recall, banana was opposed to the P-40's inclusion in 1.10, but it had solid backing among many other CM and CT staffers (those of us that have access to both forums).
Okay, THAT bothers me. I play Aces High primarily for the main arena, but I have flown a few TODs and I love them to death. However, TODs are relatively infrequent (once or twice a week). No offense to you banana, or the CM staff, but I don't want you influancing the new aircraft we get. Obviously, you need some say in what aircraft you need for new and interesting TOD's... but it would bother me to think that the majority of the new aircraft decisions are based on the small collection of CM's we have.
I think the MA should have equal weight when considering new aircraft. Of course, this could be premature -- I don't know what planes will be in 1.10 obviously.
I sympathize with Brady and respect the hard work HTC puts into these new aircraft.
I don't mind the aircraft we're getting, per se. What DOES bother me is aircraft decisions being based solely (or at least largely) on the leadership of a small collection of CMs. If we never get a P-47M.. I want it to be HTC's decision, not banana's.
This is nothing to do with any one of the CM's characters. I love AH, the MA, and the TOD, but I want something new and exciting to play around with in the MA just as much as the CM's want new TODs.
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Originally posted by Mitsu
no FD...that's not my point.
i fear the corrosion. at least it should be kept away from the sea.
and also i can't believe a swimming pool is near by this precious plane! :mad:
the visitors may damage it too... :(
LOLOL!!! I knew what you meant ;)
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Originally posted by EvilDingo
Okay, THAT bothers me. I play Aces High primarily for the main arena, but I have flown a few TODs and I love them to death. However, TODs are relatively infrequent (once or twice a week). No offense to you banana, or the CM staff, but I don't want you influancing the new aircraft we get. Obviously, you need some say in what aircraft you need for new and interesting TOD's... but it would bother me to think that the majority of the new aircraft decisions are based on the small collection of CM's we have.
I think the MA should have equal weight when considering new aircraft. Of course, this could be premature -- I don't know what planes will be in 1.10 obviously.
I sympathize with Brady and respect the hard work HTC puts into these new aircraft.
I don't mind the aircraft we're getting, per se. What DOES bother me is aircraft decisions being based solely (or at least largely) on the leadership of a small collection of CMs. If we never get a P-47M.. I want it to be HTC's decision, not banana's.
This is nothing to do with any one of the CM's characters. I love AH, the MA, and the TOD, but I want something new and exciting to play around with in the MA just as much as the CM's want new TODs.
As moose stated above ... HTC wanted to focus on Special Events right after the last CON. This includes primarily Scenarios and TODs. HTC asked the CMs which planes they needed to be able to run some of these scenarios. The CMs came up with a list. It's as simple as that.
Maybe 1.11 will focus on late war planes and we'll get your P-47M, the BearCat and who knows what else. This update is focused on scenario specific planes.
I'm always amazed and eternally anoyed by all the squeaking that goes on about planes being developed for an update. It's as if you think this will be the absolute last update to the game and there will never be another plane or feature added. Christ people ... stop your squeakin and finger pointing and just enjoy the game!!
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“What DOES bother me is aircraft decisions being based solely (or at least largely) on the leadership of a small collection of CMs. If we never get a P-47M.. I want it to be HTC's decision, not banana's.”
What a mah_roon.
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I would like to think that HTC is not wasting all this time on planes that5 can't/won't be used in the main where all the players are. I certainly hope that they have an idea for letting these planes into the main... with some sort of parity.
lazs
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You guys are aware you are basically telling HTC to NOT post anymore pictures or give out anymore news to what they are doing for the next release?
You nor I have no idea what the final release for 1.10 will look like.
I would suggest those of you that want to gripe/complain just back away from your keyboard and wait.
I, for one, think the plane is very nice and am looking forward to more news about 1.10. Those of you that cannot deal with pre-release news as it is intended need to avoid reading about it and posting about it.
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Originally posted by Skuzzy
I, for one, think the plane is very nice and am looking forward to more news about 1.10. Those of you that cannot deal with pre-release news as it is intended need to avoid reading about it and posting about it.
I take back what I said about Skuzzy in the "I "think" I was ejected?!?" thread. Let Skuzzy back in the arena! :)
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What Moose and Ammo said. While some have attributed to me phenominal cosmic powers:D, I did not mean to imply that the CM's and other volunteers such as the CT staff are somehow in control of what aircraft and vehicles are produced. That is HTC's ultimate decision. They are however regularly asked for input on what A/C and vehicles would be most useful for scenarios, events, CT, TOD, etc. You, the community at large also influence that process. These are all weighted factors, with some having perhaps greater weight than others in HTC's decision process. Remember that log-on poll about what Axis - Allied dive bomber pair most people wanted? So everyone relax. The CM's are not "dictating" the new aircraft. Sorry if people mistook my comments to the contrary. Mainly I was just trying to point out to my compatriot Brady that the CM's input was not geared solely to scenario support. I will now crawl back into my hole and go back to contemplating world domination;).
Sabre
CT Staff (an unpaid volunteer with absolutely no real power or authority)
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I teach social studies to junior high students at a small school in Arkansas. They whine just like this when they don't get what they want.
There's more than enough late-war aircraft to keep any reasonable person happy.
Besides, do you have any idea how difficult it is for HTC's staff to research these aircraft and develop flight models for them. And work out all the programming bugs. And deal with the whining. It isn't exactly easy to lay one's hands on the flight data for some of these aircraft.
Be thankful that they're releasing as many new aircraft as they are. Rest assured, they're working on others for you late-war, uber plane types.
Until they come out, how about showing a little maturity and patience, as well as some respect for the guys doing all the development work?!
Grudging regards, Shuckins
P.S. I've noticed that many of you guys that post on the message board like to tell seedy, off-color jokes that are rife with sexual innuendo and juvenile, purile locker room humor.
What's up widdat?
Shuckins ;)
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Originally posted by H. Godwineson
P.S. I've noticed that many of you guys that post on the message board like to tell seedy, off-color jokes that are rife with sexual innuendo and juvenile, purile locker room humor.
What's up widdat?
Shuckins ;)
Masterpiece Theater was a rerun, we had to find something else to do.
-Sikboy
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God Almighty!...
There is just no pleasing some people.
"We want more earlier war planes!"
HTC - "Here you go, some nice new early war planes"
"Wait NO! NOT THAT PLANE!"
"Yes! We got plane!"
"Wait NO! NOT THAT PAINT SCHEME!!"
:rolleyes:
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BUG hugs Superfly
now make that green P38!!!
:D
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Assuming that "the Val will not be used in the MA" is wrong, since each and every Plane that HTC has modeled so far is flown in the MA, even such unlikely choices like the Me109E-4, Hurricane IID, or the TBM.
You cannot use the MA to justify Plane choices, since people fly the ones they enjoy, not the ones that fit in to your perfect "well balanced late-war Planeset" world.
That's why it's only logical for HTC to focus on Planesets the way they are doing now - for historical matchups in Scenarios.
WTG HTC
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Sorry. Waste of time. No more additions or improvements to AH ever again. We are going to start a super-fantastic-cool bingo game instead.
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G-7....
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C 1...
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H 5...
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F 2...
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Take a brake..lock down the code base...and deliver AH 2.0 to use up the extra framerates on my new system...
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Remember this week's prize is a $10 gift certificate for a 6-pack of Ensure!
B 9...
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When the hell are we going to get an E?!?!?!
E's are one of the most if not THE most popular letters in the English alphabet ... not event counting foreign languages.
I want an E!!
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BINGO!!!
yeppii, what did I win?
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BINGO!
[Shows card to SuperFly]
:D
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Originally posted by SUPERFLY
B 9...
YOU SANK MY BATTLESHIP!!!
(and it was undermodeled too:))
-Sikboy
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Maj Tom your $10 gift certificate for Ensure is in the mail. Congratulations!
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"What's up widdat?"
They're practicing for what they think they will need to be good at for WHEN they get to junior high.
Oh. Can I trade in that Ensure for a box of Depends? ;)
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Heck I didn't notice up to this moment that a Val had been announced!
Sweet!!!!!!! :). Nice piece of art there, Nate!
I love dive bombers...is among the only kind of bomber I'll ever fly when the bomb drop model is modified as HT promised.
Now we need SBD and Stuka! (hehehe D stuka, please, the one able to drop 2ton anti-battleship bombs ;))
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OK everyone, time for a truce.
Brady, let's have a beer together at the con and dream about the H8K2 Emily with Karnak. On that we all agree. :)
I don't mind the aircraft we're getting, per se. What DOES bother me is aircraft decisions being based solely (or at least largely) on the leadership of a small collection of CMs. If we never get a P-47M.. I want it to be HTC's decision, not banana's.
Dingo, I'll let you in on a little secret. We have been making aircraft suggestions to Pyro for two years now, and in that time they have produced exactly one aircraft that we specifically asked for. Make no mistake, Pyro and HiTech know where they're going with this sim. They do ask us for input, but we as CM's have gotten smarter and started asking them which direction they are headed in, then we conform our requests around that direction.
As far as me voting against the P-40 for 1.10, that is true. I felt the P-40 could've waited another release so we could get the Stuka, B5N, D3A and SBD. It's not that I don't like the P-40, but I was thinking with my scenario hat on, and I felt "we"(as in the scenario team) would be better served in the short run by getting those dive and torpedo bombers. We have a BoB scenario and a Midway Scenario coming up next, so yes, I was hoping for delaying the P-40 until the next release. I got out-voted anyway, so the recommendation went to HTC with the P-40 included. Whether or not our recommendations had any effect on Pyro, I couldn't say.
Truthfully, the CM's have little say in anything regarding aircraft production. The things that HTC has been really good about giving us specifically are improvements to the CM tools. In that they have been top-notch!
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I think you may have missed the main point of my post. I feel better you having written what you did banana, and I don't think my post was disrespectful -- if it was, then I apologize. (Westy, you can bite my ass).
I wasn't whining about the Val, nor was I lobbying for the late model P-47. Just that one line I quoted rubbed me the wrong way.
I posted my opinion, sorry if that put you over the edge Superfly, but don't take it the wrong way. If I didn't love your work and AH, I wouldn't be paying for it.
I've never posted anything disrespectful or spiteful (or whining) about HTC, and I don't think I did in my last post, but I can see how it could be taken out of context.
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I guess the complaining may be getting to HTC staff. However, I pictured them as releasing new aircraft and standing back and watching all the fur fly and laughing hysterically at us. Anyway, I do want to pass along a heartfelt thank-you to the team. You aren't #1 because you sit back on your laurels.
banana, shame on you for voting against the P-40. Next TOD, I'll have Nifty deal with you. ;)
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banana, shame on you for voting against the P-40. Next TOD, I'll have Nifty deal with you.
Hey, I can handle Nifty, unless he resorts to fragging me during the TOD like he's been known to do in the past. :)
What really scares me is having to answer to Popeye! :eek:
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"(Westy, you can bite my ass)"
Standing by. Just give a simple wave to signify you're done talking out of it.
Westy
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In response to a poster's query "What is a troll?" I offer the following daffynitions:
troll:
1. to pass a vessel around in drinking :) (i.e. AH message board)
2. to sing lustily in a full, rolling voice; chant merrily.
3. to fish for with a moving line using a revolving lure behind a moving boat. (i.e. AH message board)
4. In Scandinavian volklore, any of a race of supernatural beings, variously described as being drunken, spoiled, belligerent, noble, brave, or boorish, and possessing magical powers of flight; given to long bouts of fierce discussion and argumentative behavior; described as either giants or dwarves. (i.e. AH message board)
Other input is welcome to help clarify the above daffynitions.
Regards, Shuckins :D
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Originally posted by Sachs
who the hell voted for this plane anyway? Puzzling I tell you.
We all did, remember the poll?
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Aw hell, I'm glad banana got to choose the planes for one f'in version.
Maybe then we can get some real scenarios going instead of the "damn we don't have this plane, well substitute for that one".. that was one of the biggest complaints about scenarios... and now we are getting scenario planes and the squeaking just keeps rolling on down the hill gathering momentum with each new early war plane added.
Atleast I got an F4F-4 with this update, I don't need no pansy bellybutton late war uber rides to keep me happy.
-SW
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Need I say more?
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HTC,
Please don't take my "Emily" posts to mean I'm not happy with the D3A.
We needed that aircraft for early Pac Theatre setups. I, for one, am quite happy to see it and it looks great. Very nice job on the model Natedog!:D
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ROFL! Milnko, that was truly inspirational. That was always one of my favorite "far side" cartoons.
Thanks for injecting some urgently-needed humor into this thread. :)
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The only true constant I think is that their will always be sweetying on this subject, In a way it is a good thing it shows that we are all impashioned about this hobby of ours, that we all look forward to the next plane and all have planes we would like to see added,Hopefully we will never be truly satisifyed with the plane set and will always want more...
Having said that we must remember that HTC is doing good stuff here and that I for one am always happy to see a new toy wheather or not I am truly happy about it is beside the point overall it is good for the game and envariably good for all of us.
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Some of you readers are no doubt artistically reclined. For those of you that are so endowed, I would like to make a request.
How about producing a picture of the Aces High Troll?
Regards, Shuckins
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Originally posted by H. Godwineson
How about producing a picture of the Aces High Troll?
I would, but Elfenwolf wouldn't sit still long enough for the painting.
-Sikboy
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Brady you know you are incorrect about at least one thing.
The val can carry the converted 16inch shells from the Nagato that sunk the Arizona...I doubt any zero could loft it....
I want that load out....
It would likly kill a cv with one hit as well.....
Just admit you are bitter about not getting a plane you wanted more..that would fit the MA more..Have the 'grace' to accept the result of the online poll that HTC ran asking for a choice between the two.
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" Brady you know you are incorrect about at least one thing.
The val can carry the converted 16inch shells from the Nagato that sunk the Arizona...I doubt any zero could loft it.... "
My sources state that the Val could cary one 551lb bomb and two 60kg bombs.
"I want that load out.... " me to:)
"It would likly kill a cv with one hit as well..... "
If HTC corectly modeled the effects of HE and AP bombs on the ships we have then ya it would be great:) Now we have a generic effect.
"Just admit you are bitter about not getting a plane you wanted more..that would fit the MA more..Have the 'grace' to accept the result of the online poll that HTC ran asking for a choice between the two."
Bitter may be to harsh a word, I am disapointed that they did not finish the late war plane set( for The Japanese) to be Shure but I am also happy they are doing the early war set, very happy actualy, the problem i have realy is that neither the late war or ealy war plane set for Japan is well balenced and from a CT design perspective it kinda sucks trying to make a balenced (plane wise) set for Japan.
As far as wheather I want more planes for MA is concerned, I realy could care less, I do not fly in the MA, only in the CT. My point regarding any potential use for a plane in the CT and MA is that it is good for both to add plaes in some case that compeat in both areans and add balence to plane set for the CT and MA. ( In the case of the Grace that is certainly the case)
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By observing the activities and comments of the many denizens of the Aces High Message Board, I have come to the conclusion that the AH Troll is a very diverse species, exhibiting many emotional and psychological characteristics.
Anybody care to help me define the various types of Aces High Troll?
Sincerely, Shuckins;)
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Originally posted by Pongo
Brady you know you are incorrect about at least one thing.
The val can carry the converted 16inch shells from the Nagato that sunk the Arizona...I doubt any zero could loft it....
I want that load out....
It would likly kill a cv with one hit as well.....[
No zero and no Val. Val's loadout was limited to one 250kg bomb in centerline and 60kg bombs under the wing in extraordinary cases.
The 14 (not 16) inch shells with wings (they were almost glider bombs) weighted around 800kg each ,and were lofted and dropped by B5N kates, not by Vals.
Just pointing out that, Pongo, not denying any point in adding the Val...because I love that plane :)
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Aw shucks! Can't get a bite!
Guess I'll have to change bait! :rolleyes:
Shuckins
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I would like to think that HTC is not wasting all this time on planes that5 can't/won't be used in the main where all the players are. I certainly hope that they have an idea for letting these planes into the main... with some sort of parity.
lazs
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I stand corrected RRAM. Thanks.
Brady....
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Dang it SUPERFLY, with all that Bingo nonsens, I for a second thought I was at the IEN BBS ;)
I bet even Hotseat and Wild Bill got shaky when you said you are gonna make a super Bingo online game.(Like they already have I believe), that would sertainly put them out of business for good :D
Lasse