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Title: dweebs like the p38 give them more lightnings
Post by: Citabria on May 13, 2002, 09:19:53 PM
p38J
P-38F

then the lightning set is complete save for the p38G and p38H
Title: Re: dweebs like the p38 give them more lightnings
Post by: akak on May 13, 2002, 10:01:43 PM
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Originally posted by Citabria
p38J
P-38F

then the lightning set is complete save for the p38G and p38H


Before we get another P-38, I'd like them to fix some of the stuff on the L model first.


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Title: dweebs like the p38 give them more lightnings
Post by: Tac on May 13, 2002, 10:31:08 PM
I'd take an F and a J ..to have an early and a midwar version :)

L Fix? *sigh* I wish.
Title: dweebs like the p38 give them more lightnings
Post by: hblair on May 13, 2002, 10:50:08 PM
We have plenty of P38's. We need at least 2 more 109 variants before we get another P38.
Title: dweebs like the p38 give them more lightnings
Post by: Citabria on May 13, 2002, 10:51:01 PM
p38L isnt broken

p38L is great as it is. only no skill whiner dweebs think otherwise.
Title: dweebs like the p38 give them more lightnings
Post by: smack on May 13, 2002, 11:40:37 PM
Fester "Not to say you are good" but I have been looking at this game for a few months now and I can say you! are a porch monkey. You stay hight an pick away at the left over from last night party. Yea yea yea I know what you going to say why dont you duel me " I have a life " I think the P38L model does not even compare to the real one. Take that plane to 25k and make a shallow dive and look at speed I will compress so bad. Im not a pilot but I have spoken to many real pilots " I know what you going to say Im a real one 2. " But what you know about the P38L to say it is accurate 0% :).
Title: dweebs like the p38 give them more lightnings
Post by: Citabria on May 13, 2002, 11:47:48 PM
that smacks of ignorance
Title: dweebs like the p38 give them more lightnings
Post by: Citabria on May 13, 2002, 11:49:29 PM
add to that you must be the alt monkey flying to high if the p38 is compressing on you.

haha i laff at your incompetence and ignorance. :)

p38 rules! :D
Title: dweebs like the p38 give them more lightnings
Post by: DblTrubl on May 14, 2002, 12:02:52 AM
My vote for an early 38 would be the G-10-LO. It was the most produced of the pre-J models. Gs started rolling off the production lines in Nov. 1941 and were in service at the squadron level in early '42, so they wouldn't be out of place in any early war USAAC scenario except Pearl Harbor. The G-10 could mount 12 4.5" bazooka-tube type rockets and had winterization equipment. That's one of the reasons why I'd like to see it in 11th AF markings. 54th FS, 343rd FG based in the Aleutians would be a good choice as it was one of the first all P-38 squadrons. It would also be a fitting tribute to the brave men in that all but forgotten theater who had to fly and fight in one of the harshest environments on earth.
Title: dweebs like the p38 give them more lightnings
Post by: SFRT - Frenchy on May 14, 2002, 01:04:47 AM
I always found the P38 to be a great plane in AH. I don't know why some said it was an expert plane only.:confused:
Title: dweebs like the p38 give them more lightnings
Post by: GRUNHERZ on May 14, 2002, 01:09:50 AM
Just like Bf109G6 for me Frenchy, but frankly we are experts at this game compared to most of the guys so it may well hold true. Who knows.....
Title: dweebs like the p38 give them more lightnings
Post by: Widewing on May 14, 2002, 08:19:06 AM
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Originally posted by Citabria
add to that you must be the alt monkey flying to high if the p38 is compressing on you.

haha i laff at your incompetence and ignorance. :)

p38 rules! :D


I can't imagine taking the P-38 above 20K, unless to intercept bombers. Even then, it's far from the best choice, although circumstances may dictate taking one up another 5k. However, I have not found that compressibility is a major problem. I've gone to 27k to kill a Lanc, escaping the Spitfire (2) and Mustang (1) escorts by out-diving them. Sure, it shakes like a wet dog, so what? Neither the Spit or P-51 could follow for fear of losing their wings on the pullout. No problem for the P-38, just used trim to ease out.

I will argue that the dive recovery flaps do not function as they are supposed to, nor should the flaps blow up. This is confirmed by P-38 combat pilots Art Heiden, Stan Richardson and Jack Ilfrey, who scored 15 kills, 2 probables and 3 damaged between them in the ETO and North Africa. Stan was an "engine-out" instructor at a P-38 RTU. He claims to have more time flying on one engine than with two!

Beyond those two issues (relatively minor), the P-38 model is extremely usable. Personally, I like the fact that you can perform some amazing maneuvers in the vertical, going up or down. A bit more elevator authority would be nice.:D

My regards,

Widewing
Title: dweebs like the p38 give them more lightnings
Post by: Superfly on May 14, 2002, 08:51:18 AM
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dweebs like the p38 give them more lightnings


Sorry.  Can't help you.  It would be a waste of time.  No more additions to AH.
Title: dweebs like the p38 give them more lightnings
Post by: Pongo on May 14, 2002, 09:06:51 AM
Will dweebs be allowed in AH 2.0?
Title: dweebs like the p38 give them more lightnings
Post by: AKIron on May 14, 2002, 10:24:36 AM
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Originally posted by SUPERFLY


Sorry.  Can't help you.  It would be a waste of time.  No more additions to AH.


I agree, quit wasting yer time on those obsolete birds and get busy on Aces High - The Korean War.  :D
Title: dweebs like the p38 give them more lightnings
Post by: Turbot on May 14, 2002, 11:51:10 AM
Only planes I miss from Warbirds are the warbirds P38's and the B25-H.  The warbirds P38's are much more nimble and compress alot differently.   Hell if I know either is right, but I did correspond with a WW2 p38/p47 vet back when on the compression issue and dive brakes/flaps.  According to him compression wasn't that big an issue Iat all IRL due to the way the P38 was actually used

It does seem odd to me though that the AH verison shakes so at medium alts when the plane had a service ceiling of 40,000 feet.
Title: dweebs like the p38 give them more lightnings
Post by: Widewing on May 14, 2002, 12:45:27 PM
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Originally posted by Turbot
Only planes I miss from Warbirds are the warbirds P38's and the B25-H.  The warbirds P38's are much more nimble and compress alot differently.   Hell if I know either is right, but I did correspond with a WW2 p38/p47 vet back when on the compression issue and dive brakes/flaps.  According to him compression wasn't that big an issue Iat all IRL due to the way the P38 was actually used

It does seem odd to me though that the AH verison shakes so at medium alts when the plane had a service ceiling of 40,000 feet.


Now that you mention it, I have had the P-38 shaking like mad at 470 mph under 5,000 feet. That should not be the case, as this is nowhere near critical Mach at that height, which should be nearer to 510 mph. Hmm.....

My regards,

Widewing
Title: dweebs like the p38 give them more lightnings
Post by: akak on May 14, 2002, 02:50:27 PM
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Originally posted by Turbot
Only planes I miss from Warbirds are the warbirds P38's and the B25-H.  The warbirds P38's are much more nimble and compress alot differently.   Hell if I know either is right, but I did correspond with a WW2 p38/p47 vet back when on the compression issue and dive brakes/flaps.  According to him compression wasn't that big an issue Iat all IRL due to the way the P38 was actually used

It does seem odd to me though that the AH verison shakes so at medium alts when the plane had a service ceiling of 40,000 feet.



Compression was an issue for P-38 pilots that flew in the ETO, where operational altitudes were above 20,000ft.  In the PTO and MTO, where operational altitudes were below 20,000ft, compression wasn't that much of a problem.  The P-38 would only compress in dives started above 20,000ft.



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Title: dweebs like the p38 give them more lightnings
Post by: akak on May 14, 2002, 02:53:04 PM
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Originally posted by Citabria
p38L isnt broken

p38L is great as it is. only no skill whiner dweebs think otherwise.


Don't tell me that's the best troll your little feeble mind could come up with.



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Title: dweebs like the p38 give them more lightnings
Post by: RatPenat on May 14, 2002, 03:09:47 PM
I m with Fester