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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: Ripsnort on May 14, 2002, 08:25:07 AM
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The Tour of Duty is under way! Battle of Britain! Go to the Events page, click on Tour of Duty, then look to the lower left, there is a list of Squadron CO's...pick a squadron and email them to get a spot reserved. This event does NOT take walk-on's on the day of the event, so you must do it ahead of time. Your missing out on the best aspect of true WW2 Combat Immersion if you're not involved. Come join us!
(http://events.simladder.com/images/tour_map18.jpg)
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Also: Check the TOD BB to see which squads are on which side. You'll probably have a better chance of getting in as Axis, as they had lower numbers in Frame one I believe.
-Sikboy
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EEEHHHHHAAAAA - that`s great !
that`s something i was waitin for a long time !
THX RIP :)
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You know...I kept thinking I would finely get a real challenge flying those early birdz in this BoB but all I ever do is shoot people down.....
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You know...I kept thinking I would finely get a real challenge flying those early birdz in this BoB but all I ever do is shoot people down.....
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Originally posted by MuadDib of Dune
You know...I kept thinking I would finely get a real challenge flying those early birdz in this BoB but all I ever do is shoot people down.....
Here, use one of these for patting yourself on the back instead:
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Ya know... if allied vs axis is the only way to fly early war planes with some semblance of parity (against their peers) then so be it but it holds very little attraction for me.
Maybe I want to much but I want to be able to choose, wing and fight against any early war plane without any interferance from later war monsters in an arena that has some real numbers.
I wanna be able to fly my spit one or P40 with a 109e and zeke wingmen against f4f's and ki43's and other p40's in an arena with numbers... screw the "WWII immersion" roadkill.
I'm in it for fun... not to put on a WWII re-creation act or pretend that I am some WWII ace.
lazs
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Originally posted by lazs2
I'm in it for fun... not to put on a WWII re-creation act or pretend that I am some WWII ace.
lazs
That's strange, I achieve the former without needing the later. I must be doing it wrong.
-Sikboy
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So do I sickboy. It is called the main arena. I would love to fly early war planes there as well but without interferance from later war planes.
lazs
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Originally posted by lazs2
It is called the main arena. I would love to fly early war planes there as well but without interferance from later war planes.
lazs
In my case it is called TOD.
-Sikboy
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ok.. I'll bite... if you have no interest in trying to recreate WWII then why would you prefer to saddle yourself with the straitjacket that is "allied vs axis"? Seems like a huge waste of good FM's and gunnery.
lazs
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Originally posted by lazs2
ok.. I'll bite... if you have no interest in trying to recreate WWII then why would you prefer to saddle yourself with the straitjacket that is "allied vs axis"? Seems like a huge waste of good FM's and gunnery.
lazs
Do you even read the things you post?
I don't care about the re-creation of WWII. I really couldn't care less about the "WWII Ace Roleplaying" And Yet, despite that, I[/i] have fun in TOD. How that is hard for some one to understand it totally beyond me.
-Sikboy
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well then... let me ask you this.. Would you have as much fun if you could fly early war planes in the MA without interferance from later war planes?
This is not facitious. It would appear that most prefer the MA. It is good that you can enjoy flying in TOD despite the allied vs axis and other restrictions but many can't/won't.
lazs
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Originally posted by lazs2
Would you have as much fun if you could fly early war planes in the MA without interferance from later war planes?
It is good that you can enjoy flying in TOD despite the allied vs axis and other restrictions but many can't/won't.[/B]
So there you have it, YOU want to restrict the MA to early war..can't have it both ways Laz. The MA is for all planes, the CT, and scenarios is for early war, scenario specific planes. So you want to restrict the MA for your own pleasure now? Geez Laz, you remind me of my wife trying to decide what color of dress she likes, changing her mind every 10 seconds....
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Ok, looks like we have a serious discussion here, I'll check my spinners at the door.
I believe that the first mistake you make in your analysis is that people who don't fly TOD wouldn't enjoy it. Instead, you might consider that there are other things that would prevent people from flying TOD, aside from pure "enjoyment" The fact that it is only flown twice a week. Even if they maxed out the SEA each time a TOD was flown, obviously they would never approach the numbers of the MA. (That's why it's the MAIN arena I gather). Some people don't like the times that TODs are flown, others don't like the fact that it is squad oriented. Although it is simply speculation on my part, I would say that the reasoning of "I don't enjoy that style of play" wouldn't register as a very large percentage of the people who do not fly there. Again, this is just speculation, but no less speculation than your post. Axis vs. Allies is a factor of TOD. That's true. But to me it is not the defining factor.
As far as your idea of a Early war Arena, or a RPS... I don't mind a FFA setup in the CT every once in a while. I have no objection to an RPS either, although I honestly don't care if it ever comes or not. But neither of these options would replace events like TOD for my flying time.
As a side note, I only have about 2 hours to fly each week right now. TOD allows me to get into a decent fight with those two hours. So it works well for me.
-Sikboy
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Originally posted by Sikboy
Ok, looks like we have a serious discussion here, I'll check my spinners at the door.
I believe that the first mistake you make in your analysis is that people who don't fly TOD wouldn't enjoy it. Instead, you might consider that there are other things that would prevent people from flying TOD, aside from pure "enjoyment" The fact that it is only flown twice a week. Even if they maxed out the SEA each time a TOD was flown, obviously they would never approach the numbers of the MA. (That's why it's the MAIN arena I gather). Some people don't like the times that TODs are flown, others don't like the fact that it is squad oriented. Although it is simply speculation on my part, I would say that the reasoning of "I don't enjoy that style of play" wouldn't register as a very large percentage of the people who do not fly there. Again, this is just speculation, but no less speculation than your post. Axis vs. Allies is a factor of TOD. That's true. But to me it is not the defining factor.
As far as your idea of a Early war Arena, or a RPS... I don't mind a FFA setup in the CT every once in a while. I have no objection to an RPS either, although I honestly don't care if it ever comes or not. But neither of these options would replace events like TOD for my flying time.
As a side note, I only have about 2 hours to fly each week right now. TOD allows me to get into a decent fight with those two hours. So it works well for me.
-Sikboy
Good post!
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Rip you are being real dense.
So there you have it, YOU want to restrict the MA to early war..
Lazs has said about 100 times that he wants a place in the MA for early war aircraft where they don't have to fight against the late war monsters. How many times have you seen him advocate separate areas in the MA for different era planes?
If you can't make a valid argument against what he actually wrote, then don't pretend he wrote something different so you have a viable position. It's a pretty transparent lie and makes you look like a complete idiot.
Hooligan
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ok sick... I guess it's apples and oranges. The MA and TOD or scenarios or ct....
My contention is that most fly the MA. The CT is the MA but with "historical" planesets where the val would be useful (once in a great while). The CT is all but deserted except for some very predictable "historical" timeperiods... Who knows why? Who really cares?
TOD... as you say, once in a great while.... can't be run 24/7 so... the val and early war planes would still be near useless to those who would like to fly em. Like a lot of folks... I am not interested in attending an organized event and/or "historical" planeset limitations.
Sooo.. for a lot of us the MA is the only real choice. It is for sure the only choice for those who would like to fly a few sorties with a lot of choice and players without any hassle and at any time day or night.
I would simply hope that adding all these new early war planes is not simply for the benifiet of the few and that there is some plan to use them in the MA where most people hang out.
lazs
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Originally posted by Hooligan
[B It's a pretty transparent lie and makes you look like a complete idiot.
Hooligan [/B]
Sorry Hooli, your squaddie has been, is..a transparent lie that changes his mind more than you change your underwear. However, I will fall short of making personal attacks using language like "idiot" because frankly, it makes the poster look like an idiot that uses it. :D
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Originally posted by lazs2
ok sick... I guess it's apples and oranges. The MA and TOD or scenarios or ct....
My contention is that most fly the MA. The CT is the MA but with "historical" planesets where the val would be useful (once in a great while). The CT is all but deserted except for some very predictable "historical" timeperiods... Who knows why? Who really cares?
TOD... as you say, once in a great while.... can't be run 24/7 so... the val and early war planes would still be near useless to those who would like to fly em. Like a lot of folks... I am not interested in attending an organized event and/or "historical" planeset limitations.
Sooo.. for a lot of us the MA is the only real choice. It is for sure the only choice for those who would like to fly a few sorties with a lot of choice and players without any hassle and at any time day or night.
I would simply hope that adding all these new early war planes is not simply for the benifiet of the few and that there is some plan to use them in the MA where most people hang out.
lazs
Answer me this: Are you a proponent of a Rolling Plane Set?
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Originally posted by lazs2
Sooo.. for a lot of us the MA is the only real choice.
It is for sure the only choice for those who would like to fly a few sorties with a lot of choice and players without any hassle and at any time day or night.
I would simply hope that adding all these new early war planes is not simply for the benifiet of the few and that there is some plan to use them in the MA where most people hang out.
lazs [/B]
It is still a choice. If you elect to fly the MA, you will elect to find the Val not very usefull. In fact, I can't see much reason to fly the Val even in a "1940" arena. I'd take the Ju-88 personally. But whatever.
If you are advocating, as you have in the past, certain areas in the MA for early plane use only, I have to dissagree. I believe that the idea is without merit since, if the current CT setup doesn't attract large numbers (including times when it is a FFA) I see no reason why you're "timewarp" zone would attract more numbers. It would wind up a bald spot in the arena. That's just how I see it.
The RPS is a very real possiblity. Have you given any consideration to the idea that HTC is releasing early war aircraft in an attempt to actually have enough planes for a RPS? I don't know if this is the case of course, but from the "we are taking things in a certain direction, and you might not see where we are going until we get there" clues me in that something is coming along, and that there is a reason, beyond what we've been discussing, for the influx of early war planes.
So as far as I can tell, the "only real choice" is for you (or at least HTC) to impose what people can fly in the MA. Is this correct? Maybe they can have "bomber weekend" in the MA, and enable only the buffs. If you want to fly the aircraft, there are ways you can fly them competitivly. Not everyday, not 24/7 but there are ways. Resources are spent to ensure that the planes CAN be used. If all you wanted for all your years of flightsiming is to fly a Val, it CAN be done. If you choose to not fly it in the CT, or in events, then that is your choice. If most people (and most people seem to be what drives your argument) wanted to fly historic setups, they'd be in the CT, but apparently they don't, so imposing Historic setups (or in this case timeframe restrictions) would be letting the tail wag the dog.
great, now I'm getting fekin carple tunnel here.
-Sikboy