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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: Widewing on May 14, 2002, 01:23:38 PM
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I was wondering how HTC manages to get by financially month by month, based upon the obvious income from subscribers.
Even if there were 5,000 subscribers paying $15 monthly, that still only adds up to $75,000. Figuring in salaries and overhead, where do they get the money to make capital improvements?
I can only assume that the staff is woefully underpaid, and considerably overworked.
God bless you guys, this seems more like a labor of love than a true profit making venture.
I must remember to repeat this to myself every time I feel the urge to begin complaining about insignificant issues.......
My regards,
Widewing
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I heard something somewhere about 9600bd connections and Enron style accounting (http://216.40.249.192/mysmilies/otn/realhappy/mhihi.gif)
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Originally posted by Widewing
I must remember to repeat this to myself every time I feel the urge to begin complaining about insignificant issues.......
........and every time I talk to somebody who might be persuaded to start playing........
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Originally posted by Yippee38
........and every time I talk to somebody who might be persuaded to start playing........
You know, I'm like one of those Religious Zealots. I'm affraid that I scare off more people than I could ever bring on-board.. When I see people who either like History or Computer Games, I find myself constantly talking about AH, and trying to get them to give it a try. If only HTC had some "literature" that I could give out for "a small donation" Then I could camp out at the Airport. Sweet
-Sikboy
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Not that I am a math teacher or anything, but you are forgetting one part of your equation.
HINT: How many months in a year do people pay for AH?
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According to your numbers, HTC is grossing $900,000 a year. Also, remember, that are based in Texas, Not Cali, or NYC.
I have friends in Texas who have bought mansions in beautiful communities for $250,000.
So even if HT is pulling down $100,000 for himself, pre-tax, he shold be doing well. Plus, If i'm not mistaken, there are tax incentives for small businesses, etc.
Not that their millionaires, but I don't think anyone at HTC is starving to death.
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math.... that was rude.. I don't think you realize what a "man of letters" our esteemed widemouth is. you...you... "pipsqueak" you.
lazs
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Originally posted by Mathman
Not that I am a math teacher or anything, but you are forgetting one part of your equation.
HINT: How many months in a year do people pay for AH?
I'm not forgetting that. Companies pay their bills on a monthly basis, just like you and me.
Someone speculated that HiTech takes $100,000 annually. Based upon considerably less than 1 million in gross revenues, that seems a bit high. Yet, I really hope he does earn that much, even more. Then again, that's not our place to speculate in detail, not being any of our business.
Overall operating costs, phones, servers, lights, rent, taxes, benefit package for personnel, new equipment, various and sundry expenses, plus salaries... These must consume most of their income every month. The fact that they are making capital improvements tells me that they are extraordinary business managers, and/or reinvest their personal income in their company.
Granted, the cost of living and doing business in Texas is certainly a great deal less expensive than doing such in New York. However, that doesn't make it inexpensive either.
Personally, I think that they're doing a remarkable job, and wish them not only success in business, but hope they reap the personal rewards of a job extremely well done. What they are doing (and doing well) is anything but easy. I'd love to see their business plan.
My regards,
Widewing
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Originally posted by lazs2
math.... that was rude.. I don't think you realize what a "man of letters" our esteemed widemouth is. you...you... "pipsqueak" you.
lazs
Lazs must be off today. Meaning speedbumps get vacation time....
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"Even if there were 5,000 subscribers paying $15 monthly, that still only adds up to $75,000. Figuring in salaries and overhead, where do they get the money to make capital improvements? "
widemouth... you simply made a math error and you are too pompous to admit it. Worse.... you subjected us to yet another long winded explanation on how you "weren't really wrong, we just aren't smart enough to understand you". ( not actual quote...paraphrased and sumarized to spare us widemouths entire blowhard post).
lazs
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Originally posted by Widewing
Personally, I think that they're doing a remarkable job, and wish them not only success in business, but hope they reap the personal rewards of a job extremely well done.
Well said!!
Badboy
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Originally posted by Widewing
I was wondering how HTC manages to get by financially month by month, based upon the obvious income from subscribers.
Even if there were 5,000 subscribers paying $15 monthly, that still only adds up to $75,000. Figuring in salaries and overhead, where do they get the money to make capital improvements?
I can only assume that the staff is woefully underpaid, and considerably overworked.
God bless you guys, this seems more like a labor of love than a true profit making venture.
I must remember to repeat this to myself every time I feel the urge to begin complaining about insignificant issues.......
My regards,
Widewing
Probably none of our business :)
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One word............. "Cashflow"
HTC should have NO cashflow troubles with the payment system in place. This is worth its wieght in gold to a small business.
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"Lazs must be off today. Meaning speedbumps get vacation time...."
guess it's not just math you have a problem with but numbers in general.... even on a clock.. meaning, it is lunch time pac time.
my regards
lazs
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Originally posted by lazs2
"Even if there were 5,000 subscribers paying $15 monthly, that still only adds up to $75,000. Figuring in salaries and overhead, where do they get the money to make capital improvements? "
widemouth... you simply made a math error and you are too pompous to admit it. Worse.... you subjected us to yet another long winded explanation on how you "weren't really wrong, we just aren't smart enough to understand you". ( not actual quote...paraphrased and sumarized to spare us widemouths entire blowhard post).
lazs
This from a guy who spent 45 minutes trying to unclog his toilet, only to discover that a reflection doesn't flush....
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well widemouth..... it lacked humor... was evasive and spoke not at all to the point. but....
It was short and as such... An immense improvement over any of your previous posts.
lazs
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Originally posted by lazs2
"Lazs must be off today. Meaning speedbumps get vacation time...."
guess it's not just math you have a problem with but numbers in general.... even on a clock.. meaning, it is lunch time pac time.
my regards
lazs
Speed bumps need nourishment??!! I thought they only ate mufflers....
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widemouth... you simply made a math error and you are too pompous to admit it.
Lazs, please show me where he made an error in his math?
WideWing wrote - Even if there were 5,000 subscribers paying $15 monthly, that still only adds up to $75,000.
5,000 x $15.00 = $75,000 per month.
I believe that what WW was trying to say is on a monthly basis on the surface it would appear almost magical that HTC can do all this work on only $75,000 a month. Most expenses are monthly.
If their average Salary per person was $3000, then that eats about $24,000 , leaving approx $51,000
then figure in Building lease, utilities, insurance maybe $5000, leaving $46,000
Then you got new equipment, equipment maintenance, ISP fees, that may vary between 4,000 to 6,000 a month, leaving approx $40,000
Then theres marketing, advertisment, office supplies, phone lines, taxes, attorney fees, Beer, Pizza, Crayons and paper for Superfly, Natedog, and Pyro and those big erasers for Hitech when he's correcting code.
And don't forget the money they make off deals like the one with Red Baron Pizza.
All these figures are merely speculation on my part and are probably grossly underestimated especially the expenses for Beer and crayons.
When all comes down to it, its none of my business really of course I'm just happy to have Aces High to play and they must be doing alright or else we wouldn't be here having these discussions.
AirScrew
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Originally posted by MajTom
widemouth... you simply made a math error and you are too pompous to admit it.
Lazs, please show me where he made an error in his math?
WideWing wrote - Even if there were 5,000 subscribers paying $15 monthly, that still only adds up to $75,000.
5,000 x $15.00 = $75,000 per month.
I believe that what WW was trying to say is on a monthly basis on the surface it would appear almost magical that HTC can do all this work on only $75,000 a month. Most expenses are monthly.
If their average Salary per person was $3000, then that eats about $24,000 , leaving approx $51,000
then figure in Building lease, utilities, insurance maybe $5000, leaving $46,000
Then you got new equipment, equipment maintenance, ISP fees, that may vary between 4,000 to 6,000 a month, leaving approx $40,000
Then theres marketing, advertisment, office supplies, phone lines, taxes, attorney fees, Beer, Pizza, Crayons and paper for Superfly, Natedog, and Pyro and those big erasers for Hitech when he's correcting code.
And don't forget the money they make off deals like the one with Red Baron Pizza.
All these figures are merely speculation on my part and are probably grossly underestimated especially the expenses for Beer and crayons.
When all comes down to it, its none of my business really of course I'm just happy to have Aces High to play and they must be doing alright or else we wouldn't be here having these discussions.
AirScrew
I own a small business, (Jordan Publishing (http://home.att.net/~Historyzone/JordanPublishing.html)) and cashflow is always a headache. This is largely due to payments being deferred to publication date, and on rare occasions, schedule changes can push back payment months. However, that is the nature of the business and your business plan must include allowances for this.
My regards,
Widewing
(https://home.att.net/~C.C.Jordan/Jordanpub.JPG)
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Widemouth?
What specifically qualifies you to pass judgement of HTC's solvency?
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None of us owns a luxury or sports vehicle. I think my turbo beetle is the closest car to a sport vehicle around here. ;) None of us lives in a mansion. Hell, HT still lives in the same old apartment he's lived in for the past 6+(?) years.
We're all just a bunch of average Joe's and Jane's here trying to make a living. I'm betting a lot of our players make more than us.
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I'm betting a lot of our players make more than us.
I know I do. Now shut up and get back to work. MUAHAHAHA!
AKDejaVu
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LOL! Deja, that made my day.
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I dont want to sound cliche here, but working in a career that one enjoys is a reward in itself.
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Widemouth.....
A capital improvement is a non-recurring expenditure or any expenditure for physical improvements, including cost for acquisition of existing buildings, land or interests in land, construction of new buildings or other structures, including additions and major alterations. They can also include construction of streets and highways or utility lines, fixed equipment, landscaping and similar expenditures. HTC leases their office space as well as the bandwidth we ride on, thus not qualifying those expenses as capital improvements.
I would suggest that a modest sum has been invested in equipment and that the largest investment has been made in talent. They sell intangible or intellectual property, not hard goods or services.
Just a suggestion....you might focus your energy on running your own business rather than meddle in the business of others. Personally, if I were HTC's CPA, I would make an adjustment to their income statement in the amount of $14.95 backed up by the deletion of your account.
13 years of this kind of fodder really gets old...the vets can relate.
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Originally posted by SUPERFLY
We're all just a bunch of average Joe's and Jane's here trying to make a living. I'm betting a lot of our players make more than us.
I'm betting you average Joes and Janes have more fun making less than many of your better paid subscribers, though :)
Well, that and how many people can say that several thousands of subscribers hang on their every utterance? Now, go buy Nate a six pack of his beverage of choice and tell YANKEE to charge it to my account.
No, seriously. Go get Nate a beer. He deserves one.
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...better get a couple six packs. Don't want anyone else in the office feeling left out.
:D
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nm
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Didn't Mandoble write HTC's business plan?
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Originally posted by Rude
Widemouth?
Come on Rude, haven't you read the signs? "Please Don't Feed the Animals"
What specifically qualifies you to pass judgement of HTC's solvency?
Where have I passed judgement on anything? Nowhere. I am merely expressing my admiration for HTC's business management. Do you have a problem with that?
My regards,
Widewing
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Originally posted by Rude
Personally, if I were HTC's CPA.....
Personally, I don't care one whit what you think. Are you clear on that point, at least? In the future, should I desire any crap out of you, I'll ask you to place your palms against the sides of your head and apply firm, even pressure.
Widewing
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For me it's really simple...
[list=1]Do I enjoy it ?[/list=1]
[list=2]Do I feel it is a value I can afford?[/list=2]
[list=3]Do I get a quality product and good service?[/list=3]
[list=4]Do I want to subscribe?[/list=4]
If the the answer is YES ........ I subscribe!
And as you pointed out
I can only assume that the staff is woefully underpaid, and considerably overworked.
God bless you guys, this seems more like a labor of love than a true profit making venture.
I must remember to repeat this to myself every time I feel the urge to begin complaining about insignificant issues.......
My biggest fear is YANKEE hitting the lottery and telling the PUTTZ to take a hike... Heck the whole place will topple and we won't be able to complain in here anymore! :)
Thunder
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There once was a man named Badger....
hehe.
Well anyway to make a long story longer he was the best. And his interests were in financial matters more than anything else. He now is involved with Targetware at http://www.targetware.com and doesn't do analysis on other MMP flight sims no matter how hard you beg him :D
But when he was nosy he did find interesting stuff. HTC has for instance recieved at least one strong investment from local groups, I cannot remember how much it was but it seemed sufficient to cover a high percentage of his initial investment needs. Add to that the fact that AH operated at $30 for most of it's life not $15.
I think you will find that AH didn't drop it's price until it had covered the majority of it's capital costs and expenses. Leases can be taken out long term and probably were. HTC's own equipment and software are probably paid for, low overhead with a bit now and then for upgrades. Most of the expensive stuff is from Applink courtesy of Skuzzy who leases it to them and provides thier bandwidth and servers.
I think HT has achieved what seemed his primary goal. He has low to almost non-existant overhead. He has strong cash flow to cover his expenses. Finally he seems to succesfully put his company into the black while remaining a small motivated company (originally 6 now 8?). I don't think he's hurting Widewing, I think he has found the exact niche market he wanted and kudos to him for doing it so well!
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Where have I passed judgement on anything? Nowhere. I am merely expressing my admiration for HTC's business management. Do you have a problem with that?
You can try and pass the above off to the others, but the truth of the matter is that you are doing the crab...you realized that your foot in your mouth was not your best asset and are backing off your original precept.
Personally, I don't care one whit what you think. Are you clear on that point, at least? In the future, should I desire any crap out of you, I'll ask you to place your palms against the sides of your head and apply firm, even pressure
Whether you desire it or not is irrelevant....starting this kind of thread serves no purpose other than to draw attention to what you have tried to frame as negative. You have succeeded in building a reputation for yourself as a malcontent and a whiner. Congratulations!
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Rude, I gotta ask: Where did you get the impression that that was a negative post? Seemed like praise to me.
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[Originally posted by SUPERFLY]
"We're all just a bunch of average Joe's and Jane's here trying to make a living. "
Lol..I would say way above average... :)
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Majic....
It just seems everyone is an expert....lets tell HT what plane to introduce, then criticize the effort...let's make the public assumption that they are just barely financially sound, woefully underpaid and of course, overworked...fine impression, especially from someone who has no inside info.
Let's just say, I tire of negative or unproductive posts. Patience for me runs thin after all of these years listening to the same self righteous crap.
There are many who post interesting and thought out ideas, or funny and silly remarks and observations...not everyone has to try and prove their worth here in this forum.
Either here, or online, I would prefer to see positive or at least neutral takes....anything else, I wish they would save for some other sim and just support the effort HTC has and is making....it's a whole $.50 a day...how can ya complain or criticize that?
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Could it be??!! Could Rude win his own coveted "Whine of the week Award"? ;) ...............Well it was sort of a whine.:D
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it's a whole $.50 a day...how can ya complain or criticize that?
An enormous Sally Struthers waddles into view
For the price of a simple can of soda from most vending machines each day you can provide shelter and nourishment to a programming family in rural areas such as Texas.
No longer will they struggle to eat only cheap, knock off Ritz style crackers and drink Shlitz beer. With your humble donation they will be blessed with the likes of Heineken or even Gordon Bierch and they may eat of wonderful butter crackers (not stale!) topped with cheezes and dry salami, or take out Pizza if they desire... or Ice cream....
Sally starts to drool violently
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Looks like I can't read english anymore... I just couldn't find any critizising or negative points from widewing's post?
Rude maybe you could explain what in that post pushed you over the edge?
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Staga....
To imply that HTC has made this effort(AH), only to be woefully underpaid and that HT would only do this because it is a labor of love is an insult to him and his staff. In addition, to speak to their profitability like that and imply they can't make money just struck me wrong....it's none of his business.
I would like him to qualify himself as to how he would know dit about HT's finances. I guess I prefer encouragement rather than critiques.
Perhaps he didn't mean to imply that, just is how I took it based on his previous track record. Perhaps I should not stand in judgement over him and just go on vacation....what ya think?:)
Fester..........that was funny:)
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Why are we worried about how much HTC makes?
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"How a good thread turns retarded"
These threads are getting boring HT...Please announce that you're changing the N1K2 flight model back to the way it was (you don't really need to change anything, just say you are!), so we can get into some really high quality flame fests. I personally feel this is the only way you'll be able to bring yourself out of the spiraling black hole of loss that I know you're experiencing and bring you back to profitability.
SOBadger
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I would guess that HTC has more than 5,000 paying customers.
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Originally posted by Rude
Staga....
Perhaps he didn't mean to imply that, just is how I took it based on his previous track record. Perhaps I should not stand in judgement over him and just go on vacation....what ya think?:)
Your problem is that you took your lead from the Lazs Monkey, instead of thinking for yourself. Rather than take your cue from that witless lightweight, perhaps you should have read my post with an open mind.
In summary, what I was, and am saying is: Based upon the simple calculation of 5,000 subscribers only, and based upon what I imagine their monthly expenditures could be, the HTC staff probably doesn't earn anywhere near what they deserve based upon the quality of their product, and the monumental effort they must expend to keep it at the top of the heap. Indeed, It is probably more a labor of love, with personal income coming in second to the satisfaction of doing what they love, and doing it so well. Moreover, their ability to improve the product, while still able to make capital improvements is a likely indicator that the HTC staff invests a considerable portion of their profit right back into their business. Their business management skills are remarkable, in my estimation.
Now, if you can find anything in that to bellyache about then I must assume that you are looking for a pissing contest. Fine, I'm content to play that game. However, if you prefer to accept my comments within the spirit and context of which they were written, then we drop it here, no harm done.
My regards,
Widewing
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Originally posted by Widewing
I was wondering how HTC manages to get by financially month by month, based upon the obvious income from subscribers.
Even if there were 5,000 subscribers paying $15 monthly, that still only adds up to $75,000. Figuring in salaries and overhead, where do they get the money to make capital improvements?
I can only assume that the staff is woefully underpaid, and considerably overworked.
God bless you guys, this seems more like a labor of love than a true profit making venture.
I must remember to repeat this to myself every time I feel the urge to begin complaining about insignificant issues.......
My regards,
Widewing
Widewing, the quote above comes across to me as pompous and nosey. People are in business to make money, when ya basically tell 'm they're not making any money on their own public forum in front of their customers, well, it's just tacky man. Really tacky.
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5000 subscribers x $15.00/month = 75,000/month = 900,000/yr.
$900,000 Budget
<$250,000> HiTech Salary
<$600,000> potatos & Liquor
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That leaves $50,000 for everyone else, and paying the overhead.
Amazing.
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Originally posted by SUPERFLY
We're all just a bunch of average Joe's and Jane's here trying to make a living. I'm betting a lot of our players make more than us.
baaa be carefuly with bets... hehe as obey member of our army getting 100USD/month i have to pay all from that.. food,roof,AH
but this freaking millitary hell is close to end :cool: 2 months to be freeeeeeeeeeeeee
if you need vacation SPERFLY, we could switch for a while ... i would enjoy your beatle :D
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Originally posted by Rude
I would suggest that a modest sum has been invested in equipment and that the largest investment has been made in talent.
Commercial 3D graphics packages are not cheap. Neither is the hardware you need to run them.
I would agree with you that the staff at HTC is remarkably talented...that only six people have pulled this off is quite a feat.
Unlike the vast majority of players, I actually know what it's like to be part of a small team of talented game developers.
BTW Rude, I hearby nominate you for "squeaky reply of the week". Didn't see anything in Widewing's posts that deserved your attitude. Guess you are trying to live up to your handle...
-Smut
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Originally posted by hblair
Widewing, the quote above comes across to me as pompous and nosey. People are in business to make money, when ya basically tell 'm they're not making any money on their own public forum in front of their customers, well, it's just tacky man. Really tacky.
Generally speaking, I can see where you may get that impression, which is why I clarified my statement. There was no intention to bruise feelings, but to compliment HTC. I'm sorry that you and Rude understood it otherwise.
My regards,
Widewing
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whaaa.... widemouth "pompous and nosey"??
who da thunk? Poor little widemouth... they didn't like him in AW and nobody at home likes him and now.... we don't appreciate him here. Oh well... look at the good side widemouth.. you wanted attention and now you got it.
lazs
ripping mufflers off the pompous since 2002
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Originally posted by lazs2
they didn't like him in AW and nobody at home likes him and now....
hmm change AW to WB and tell me who that guy would be? :D
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Originally posted by SUPERFLY
I'm betting a lot of our players make more than us.
I bet your correct Superfly however many of us would trade our higher paying jobs to have a job like yours! I know I would, want to trade? I'm a Network Administrator at a large law firm in downtown Dallas.
:D
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There's more to life than how much money you make at your job. I've passed by many chances for higher pay because it would have meant changing my hours or days off and taken me away from my family. I work where I am only because it allows me to do the things with my life that I really want to do.
It doesn't matter to me who makes what kind of money. But if these guys are doing okay.... AND they are really enjoying thier jobs... well, then in my opinion they have won life's lottery.
They get a little money from me each month because they put out a product that I think is worth that money.
Keep up the good work!
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mox... I am sure that widemouth would be shocked to learn that one or two others here have run companies. And would either love to get into something more "fun" or "fulfilling" or.... allready have.
Certainly none as impressive as a web site like jordan publishing tho.
lazs
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Originally posted by Rude
You wrote: Let's just say, I tire of negative or unproductive posts. Patience for me runs thin after all of these years listening to the same self righteous crap.
My God Rude... How can you read these things so differently than the rest of the people... It's as though you read in between the lines, all the while thinking you are obviously so much more intelligent and important than the rest of the players. Then you come up with your lame interpretations and present them with this cocky "I know it all cause I have inside info" attitude... This reaks of self rightousness... Dale is a big boy and an astute businessman. He certainly doesn't need you to run interference for him. Get off the defensive posture dude... ;)
Read your own post the way you read others... This thread was nothing but positive until you and Lazs, dropped your infinite wisdom in here. You and Lazs can trash a good thread faster than anyone in these BB's... :eek:
I see nothing in WideWings posts that is negative or criticizing and most certainly not unproductive... I only see a heartfelt respect for HiTech as one businessman to another...
Bro, if you have ever been in business for yourself and have experienced cash flow problems, or been placed in the position of generating revenue in order to intice investment capital, while keeping any and all investors happy (which is harder than keeping all of us players happy) then you can relate to what it is like to make personal sacrifice for the better of the business. I only see WideWing praising Dale for his business practices, while realizing first hand what it takes to accomplish what he has so magnificently managed.
BOOT
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Originally posted by lazs2
whaaa.... widemouth "pompous and nosey"??
who da thunk? Poor little widemouth... they didn't like him in AW and nobody at home likes him and now.... we don't appreciate him here. Oh well... look at the good side widemouth.. you wanted attention and now you got it.
lazs
ripping mufflers off the pompous since 2002
Not that anyone expect much from the speedbump... But, I never played AW. Ninny.
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Originally posted by Staga
hmm change AW to WB and tell me who that guy would be? :D
hehehehehe!
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Well....at least Rip noticed what I was speaking to. That's a good thing I think:)
Widewing....
What I have to say about anything on this board is of no consequence to HTC or his customers. I may have chastised you due to years of ridiculous and ignorant statements, along with childish complaints that have been posted on this and other boards. If that is the case, I offer my apology.
It is my experience, that you can know people by the fruit they produce. Perhaps the future remarks you choose to make will clarify your intention, as they tend to do for all of us.
Sure would be nice if folks just paid their dime, encouraged HTC, counted their blessings and got on with the business of makin friends and honin skills.
Just not our nature eh?
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Speaking of dream jobs: Ive always wanted to be a armless sperm donar.....Nurse, I need a hand here!
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Originally posted by MuadDib of Dune
Speaking of dream jobs: Ive always wanted to be a armless sperm donar.....Nurse, I need a hand here!
Hmm, an armless nurse for me! :D
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ROFL.........
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Originally posted by Rude
Well....at least Rip noticed what I was speaking to. That's a good thing I think:)
Widewing....
What I have to say about anything on this board is of no consequence to HTC or his customers. I may have chastised you due to years of ridiculous and ignorant statements, along with childish complaints that have been posted on this and other boards. If that is the case, I offer my apology.
It is my experience, that you can know people by the fruit they produce. Perhaps the future remarks you choose to make will clarify your intention, as they tend to do for all of us.
Sure would be nice if folks just paid their dime, encouraged HTC, counted their blessings and got on with the business of makin friends and honin skills.
Just not our nature eh?
Now thats a nice Post Rude....:cool:
BOOT
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Originally posted by Rude
Well....at least Rip noticed what I was speaking to. That's a good thing I think:)
Widewing....
What I have to say about anything on this board is of no consequence to HTC or his customers. I may have chastised you due to years of ridiculous and ignorant statements, along with childish complaints that have been posted on this and other boards. If that is the case, I offer my apology.
It is my experience, that you can know people by the fruit they produce. Perhaps the future remarks you choose to make will clarify your intention, as they tend to do for all of us.
Sure would be nice if folks just paid their dime, encouraged HTC, counted their blessings and got on with the business of makin friends and honin skills.
Just not our nature eh?
Not a problem Rude. I appreciate your honesty. Like you, I'd rather make friends than get into silly arguments. Just don't go and get all kissy-face on me. :D
I have been guilty of laying into a fellow (in the MA) unjustly (not on you Speedbump, you've earned your lumps). Fortunately, I was able to make amends. Turns out that he saved my bacon twice that same night. As it stands, in terms of character, you rate pretty high in my book.
My best,
Wdiewing
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Too much kissy face stuff between Rude and Widewing, I suggest you go back to "Creamo/Lazs style" posting..its much more entertaining. No soup for you kissy faced guys for ONE WEEK!
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Originally posted by lazs2
mox... I am sure that widemouth would be shocked to learn that one or two others here have run companies. And would either love to get into something more "fun" or "fulfilling" or.... allready have.
Certainly none as impressive as a web site like jordan publishing tho.
lazs
Speedbump, in the future, you will know when I'm speaking to you, because I'll begin the post with "Attention moron!" This should aid you in recognizing when a response is warranted.
Attention moron (psst, that's your cue Speedbump), kindly post the URL of your personal website.
I did discover this remarkable resemblence to Lazs Monkey at Speedbump.com - Coincidence?
(http://www.creators.com/0505/bmp/bmp0511g.gif)
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well gee widemouth.... I don't have a website.. Course I don't pretend it's a publishing company either.
As for your humor... time to hit the old campus library and get some new joke books. You may be the life of the party at the bow tie and dandruff crowd faculty meeting but it's a little silly here.
lazs
ripping off widemouths mufflers since 2002