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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: llbm_MOL on February 07, 2001, 01:36:00 PM
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Move when faced with an HO?
LLB OUT!!!!!!!!
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Fake the HO, then extend for position...I suck on HO's, but pride myself for sucking at them.
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I either barrel roll over or nose down under it.
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Fire primary and secondary weapons!!!
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roll slightly to make it a deflection shot and then wait for enemy reaction.
If the enemy turns towards me, I turn inside and deny as much of a shot as possible. They usually miss. I'll extend if the enemy has more e or use verticle moves if he has less.
If the enemy does not bring his nose to bear on me, I start to climb while looking over my shoulder to see what the enemy is doing. If he's climbing too.. I usually just extend.
If the enemy breaks too soon... I turn into him and shoot the crap out of him.
AKDejaVu
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at 1.2 out, pull both triggers and pray
if i see multiple flashes, I then try to roll away
if I hear multiple pings, I usually am picking a new runway 2 seconds later (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Eagler
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Nose down to avoid, if there's time. If not, fire all guns and try to make him pay for it.
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-Karnak
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Point my plane (left or right) off their nose and when they are within 900 yds I pull just a little(on the stick) towards their aircraft and at about 400yds I begin to pull really hard back on the stick and into a loop. Then I decide where I should take them from there.
-SW
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Aim right between the eyes!
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...Nose under the oncoming HOdweeb and extend high, then evaluate current SA and decide whether the dweeb is worth killing.
note: This tactic only against those who I consider true HO "Dweebs" ie: The ones who's first and only thought is a HO. It's really frustrating to fly 5 or 10 minutes, anxiously waiting for a heart-pounding fite just to have some dipweed end it all with a cheap shot, and even worse getting suckered into it. My own "newness" got me in that situation many times until recently. The above tactic works wonders to turn the tables..there is nothing more gratifying.
Swamp
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If somewhere near close to corner speed or above,
2.2K or so a slight turn away to the right, slightly nose low.
About 1.5K as he rolls to put you on nose again, a easy gentle reversal into him, still slightly nose low.
About 1.0, a hard pitch up, leading into a left wingover, with a bit of rudder to come around on him.
Done right, I almost never take a ping and sometimes get a nice position.
Now, much below cornerspeed and it's just a H2H joust. If you can't maneuver, you might as well shoot back. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
[This message has been edited by Toad (edited 02-07-2001).]
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For me, it depends almost totally on what I'm flying and what the nme is flying. If I'm in my favorite ride, the DHog, I won't go HO with ANY plane that has 4-20mm cannons (N1K, CHog, Typhoon or the P47 with 8-50 and that's true no matter WHAT I'm flying) or most airplanes with cannons in the nose of the a/c with zero convergence (109).
I'll take my chances with a Hellcat, Mustang, Spit, Zero or most other planes because I know the Hog is built like a brick and can take some pings.
That said, if it's a better angles plane I'll maybe take a snapshot based on the criteria above (a N1K no, a Spit yes) and then extend nose down and climb to back to altitude. If I have the better turning airplane (vs. P47, Typhoon) I'll again think about the snapshot HO and then pull up in a gentle arc looking back to see what the nme's doing or pull up into an immelman to retain my 'e' (depending on my speed). If he's turning into me I'll continue the turn and bring guns to bear sooner and engage a turning fight :-o
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Shoot first. .50's outrange the 20mm (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif) for the most part.
-Westy
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Type "Damn HO Dweeb" into the buffer just to get ready. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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LOL.
I set up nose low, diving slightly to the merge at 0G. At about D1.5 I'll level a bit and roll a bit to one side under his nose to make him miss. I turn that roll into a pull up, likely a hard one, but it depends on the relative energy states, and do this at about 500 yards. At this point, if he's tried to shoot me, he is going to overshoot below me as I lead-turn him vertically. Advantage Jug.
The only time I'll take an HO is when I either have not enough speed to do anything else, or some goofball decides to try a HO shot in a Zeke versus my Jug, in which case I'll blast him and fly through the explosion. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif) If I'm really fast and can't turn too well, I may take it too from long range.
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Close my eyes & move my stick and rudder around.
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Pull
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Westy, you may be right about the range advantage of the 50 cal. but I would suspect it's marginal at best. I'd guess if it were true you'd find a whole lot more "HO Dweebs" flying around in P-38s!
Leph - that's a pretty good tactic. I might have to give that a try.
Whatever you do though, don't even think about engaging in a HO with an inline engine (i.e. Spit, Mustang, 109 ,etc.) You're just begging for a hit in the radiator or engine and then you're toast. Don't know how many times I've lost my engine and had to deadstick it back home before I learned THAT lesson.
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Head right for that SOB and then go nose low. After I go under him I pull straight up and let the guy think he can pull up behind me. Just as he reachs the top of his vertical I let my wingman pump him with his 6x .50.
13th TAS are never alone... You have been warned (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
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"Wing up, Get kills, Be happy"
Midnight
13th TAS
"I see you have made your decision. Now let's see you enforce it." -Brandon Lee (The Crow)
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If I'm in a Jug I will Ho a Chog but start my shot at about 1k stop at about 600 go into my nose down move. If I get lucky my first spurt knocks something off, if not I can still go under him and make him miss, do a nose down turn to build up speed and hope he doesn't go high. Or I just extend to friendlier territory depending on whats going on.
LLB OUT!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[This message has been edited by llbm_MOL (edited 02-08-2001).]
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Originally posted by Apache:
I either barrel roll over or nose down under it.
Ditto. I rarely ever get pinged that way and many times it puts me in a good position after the merge because he committed to an HO.
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Sit with a dumb look on face and wonder, "what the heck am i gonna do??"
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-Soda
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Set full power to forward sheilds and fire all phasers and photon torpedoes. Then yell at Scotty for more power.
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If that is a 1C or Spit accepting an HO is tantamount to handing the guy an easy kill. You need to begin a barrel roll motion, being sure to force him nose down if he wants a shot.
After the merge you should quickly look back. If he goes for the hard pull you are probably in good shape, because that is an E-waster. You can take the E you have and pull a low-G climb over his head. This will most likely place you in the catbird's seat in a couple turns. If the fella decides instead to go for a low-G climb you may want to decide quickly if his kite can outturn yours, and either stay or leave based on that assessment.
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Fire a long stream at d1.1 then bank to one side (making my plane smaller target and changing alt and direction).. if I hit with my long range shot the con sometimes dies or panicks, if he continues it means he will be so fast that I will turn into it after he HO's (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Only works if you are slow though =P
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Originally posted by NATEDOG:
Aim right between the eyes!
aim right between the thighs.... (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
what?? ...you meant a WWII fighter plane ....shucks.
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Faced with a HO... Good question.
Inquire politely about hourly and daily rates? Ask for guild watermelon and local license? Call my homies and hope da pimp don't show before we're done?
Actually, I try to make a lead turn crossing from side to side under the HO aircraft's nose, forcing them to bunt and roll if they want to take the shot. If I can't do that (vert HO or too slow on the deck), I put the pipper on, trim for stable nose track, and open fire starting at 1200 yards. Slightly BEFORE the "last second", I cross-control to try to skid out of the way to avoid the collision while still shooting, on the theory that if he explodes before I get there, I can't hit him (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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eagl <squealing Pigs> BYA
Oink Oink To War!!!
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Never see it coming - alway checking my six. How you guy's alway manage to get on my six I'll never know.
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I like to make the other guy committ to the HO then slide pull up during the merge "hopefully" avoiding his fire to get myself into the advantage.
Or if I have to take the HO cause of someone on my tail, etc., then I do the one thing that I rarely see ppl use....Rudder....and I make him fire at a different trajectory while I rake him with fire.
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Wingnut
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[This message has been edited by Wingnut_0 (edited 02-08-2001).]