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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Udie on May 15, 2002, 10:00:07 AM
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The GOP using a photo of the president on 9/11 in a fund raising brochure or the DNC trying to make political milage out of said fund raising brochure.
Big supprise I think the DNC are trying to take advantage of the situation, what's new. The pic shows the president on the phone woo big bad nasty GOP.
yet another :rolleyes: to the DNC
hypocrites hypocrites hypocrites....
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Originally posted by Udie
The GOP using a photo of the president on 9/11 in a fund raising brochure or the DNC trying to make political milage out of said fund raising brochure.
Big supprise I think the DNC are trying to take advantage of the situation, what's new. The pic shows the president on the phone woo big bad nasty GOP.
yet another :rolleyes: to the DNC
hypocrites hypocrites hypocrites....
What's worse.....someone using the WTC tragedy as a fund raiser, or someone pointing out the tastelessness of using such a picture.
I think the answer is obvious........unless you're a GOP lapdog. ;)
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Now I'm so confused. I thought it tastes like Chicken:confused:
-Sikboy
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sorry I do not have the proper decoder ...
what is the GOP or the DNC ?
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GOP = Grand Old Party = Republicans
DNC = Democratic National Committee
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what a bunch of sick diddlys.
Kanthy
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Originally posted by midnight Target
What's worse.....someone using the WTC tragedy as a fund raiser, or someone pointing out the tastelessness of using such a picture.
I think the answer is obvious........unless you're a GOP lapdog. ;)
Except for the fact that it was 1 picture out of a bunch of pictures from his whole term up to date, and the picture is of his most important day in office so far. It's just the first day of this controvercy, let's see how far ole terry macaulif is willing to take it. They've been looking for anything to chop down bush and the reps.
I bet they spend more time on this in the senate than they do appointing federal judges (a year late I might add) But hey what else do you expect from democrats?
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Hmmmm.....
Seems to me that Bush's response to the 9/11 tragedy was one of the high points of his presidency so far. I'm curious as to how it is tasteless to point that out.
I wonder if the DNC will cry as much when Mayor Gulliani uses the incident to catapult his political career.
AKDejaVu
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They've been looking for anything to chop down bush and the reps.
:::chuckles::: Yeah, and the Republicans sat back and let Clinton enjoy his 8 years in office without ever attempting to undermine his presidency.
Right or wrong, its tit for tat. Both parties do this type of thing all the time.
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Originally posted by Lance
Right or wrong, its tit for tat. Both parties do this type of thing all the time.
There really is a difference between right and wrong, though.
If any democrat catches Bush in some criminal act like lying under oath or financial fraud, I would only be gratefull to him for cleaning the GOP from a scoundrel.
Making a picture of your most important day is not on the same level as alleged Clinton's transgressions.
BTW, those hero veterans sporting shiny medals (or colorfull ribbons) - arn't they exploiting the war which was a terrible tragedy. By the logic of some, those guys should be tarred and feathered instead of paraded around!
miko
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(http://us.news2.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/nm/20020515/mdf152455.jpg)
Gephardt is an ass. I hardly see how this would "risk[ed] jeopardizing bipartisanship on the war on terrorism". It's a picture of the President doing his job. These are the same idiots who complained that the President was leading the Sept. 11 effort from Air Force One and not from the ground.
As Udie said, tell them to get their bellybutton back in Congress and get us some new federal judges.
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I just hate fundraisers in general, almost as much as party chairmen in general.
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The problem with politicians is that every damn one of them is convinced we are one rule or one regulation or one law away from a model Utopian society and THEY are just the leader the rest of us need to march us there.
Sorry, but as an anarchist I view all political parties as the enemy. We need to give up on organized Government and revert back to tribal cultures. What has Government accomplished other than to tax us, draft us and imprison us? Get rid of ALL politicans.
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Originally posted by Mickey1992
Gephardt is an ass. I hardly see how this would "risk[ed] jeopardizing bipartisanship on the war on terrorism". It's a picture of the President doing his job. These are the same idiots who complained that the President was leading the Sept. 11 effort from Air Force One and not from the ground.
Aren't these the same "idiots" who made a show of bipartisan support by singing "God Bless America" on the Capitol steps?
I can't believe we haven't blaimed this on Clinton after 12 posts! A political thread record IIRC.
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It's politics...
...errrm that's it.
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Apparently the man use's his hands to talk, even when on the phone. I find that more worrisome than the political BS.
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Originally posted by easymo
Apparently the man use's his hands to talk, even when on the phone. I find that more worrisome than the political BS.
Actually he was cropped out, but in the original photo there's a guy from enron about to hand him a big wad of bills.
-Sikboy
It's a joke man, just a joke
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Originally posted by Dowding
It's politics...
...errrm that's it.
fer sure dude, gotta hate it :)
On a side note I was just thinking about this "issue" (LOL) really a non-issue to me...
The one really nice thing about this, that I hadn't concidered until about 10 min ago, is the way the Bush admin has handled the "scandal". They simply said, there's nothing wrong with it. Clinton's gang would have spent the first year denying the existance of the photo, then the next year denying that it was taken on 9-11. Then he would have quietly signed a deal and admitted to the whole thing on his last day in office. Then on his way out he'd take the picture and sell it on Ebay....
Can ya tell I don't miss his administration? :D
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LOL Udie, I like ya better when ya talk fishing:)
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Originally posted by Elfenwolf
LOL Udie, I like ya better when ya talk fishing:)
hehe if you ever meet me face to face you will learn to want to hit me for talking fishing. My co-workers are begging me to talk politics again :D
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Originally posted by Sikboy
Actually he was cropped out, but in the original photo there's a guy from enron about to hand him a big wad of bills.
-Sikboy
It's a joke man, just a joke
ROFL
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Originally posted by Sikboy
Actually he was cropped out, but in the original photo there's a guy from enron about to hand him a big wad of bills.
-Sikboy
More likely a guy from the Bin Laden family.
Thats not a joke. (look it up)
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Originally posted by easymo
Thats not a joke. (look it up)
Actually, when someone makes a preposterous allegation I prefer to let them do the legwork.
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Originally posted by Elfenwolf
The problem with politicians is that every damn one of them is convinced we are one rule or one regulation or one law away from a model Utopian society and THEY are just the leader the rest of us need to march us there.
Sorry, but as an anarchist I view all political parties as the enemy. We need to give up on organized Government and revert back to tribal cultures. What has Government accomplished other than to tax us, draft us and imprison us? Get rid of ALL politicans.
I think we are in total agreement for once. But reality will never permit reverting back to natural living... for one thing, the population is too large to support without modern technology. Only a major catastrophe could restore the balance.
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From his record in office so far with regards to legislation signed into law... Bush seems more a Democrat than a Republican. I don't think there is an issue yet that the Democrats want that he hasn't waffled a bit then dropped his pants and grabbed his ankles and signed. Seems the Dems would want to keep him right where he is, their little president-squeak.
Just my observation.
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When Jr. decided to go into the oil business, Bush senior hooked him up with a lone. Guess who it came from.
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What's worse?
Owning the new title of “Fund Raiser and Chief”.
Damit! It's "We the people..."
Not, "We the donors..."
IMO: Soft money corrupts everyone involved.
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"Since the WTC attacks the Wall Street Journal has reported (Sept. 28, 2001) that, "George H.W. Bush, the father of President
Bush, works for the bin Laden family business in Saudi Arabia through the Carlyle Group, an international consulting firm."
The senior Bush had met with the bin Laden family at least twice in the last three years - 1998 and 2000 - as a representative of Carlyle,
seeking to expand business dealings with one of the wealthiest Saudi families, which some experts argue, has never fully severed
its ties with black sheep Osama "
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"George W. Bush, way back when... (sometime after he went AWOL and stopped using cocaine, but before he gave up drinking excessively) managed to put together a little oil company. It was amusingly called Arbusto, which is Spanish for Bush. Arbusto. Our- Bust- oh. Bush did very well with it, assuming that by very well one means losing tons of money, quite nearly going busto. Arbusto was eventually bought out by Harkin (more on that in a bit).
If that wasn't funny enough, here is the really funny part. Arbusto was financed in part by The Bin Laden Family! Yes! I am not making that up.
In that days following 9-11, the skies of the US were cleared of commercial flights and private planes except for a lone private jet that gathered up some people that the FBI might have liked to talk to and flew them away. Who where these very important people? Why Bush's pals... the Bin Ladens"
This is old news. I am suprised you libs did'nt pick up on it.
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BTW. Prince whoever from Saudi Arabia showed up here in Texas, at Jr.'s ranch, a couple weeks ago. He as much as ordered Jr. to tell the Israelis to pull back. What Jr. should have done, was to tell him to kiss Americas collective prettythang. Instead he did what he was told.
I am sorry my conservative friends. But you are going to have to go on ahead without me. If your gonna follow this guy.
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At the risk of getting trolled:
Dude, this is all old news, you're right. And it's been gone over in the O'Club. I dissagree with your assessment.
-Sikboy
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I'm feeling compelled to defend the Bush family. :eek:
What has happened to me????????
OTOH
From his record in office so far with regards to legislation signed into law... Bush seems more a Democrat than a Republican. I don't think there is an issue yet that the Democrats want that he hasn't waffled a bit then dropped his pants and grabbed his ankles and signed. Seems the Dems would want to keep him right where he is, their little president-squeak.
Just my observation.
He fumbled big time on Stem Cell research AFAIK. Acted like the Religious Right's boy servant.
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Aren't these the same "idiots" who made a show of bipartisan support by singing "God Bless America" on the Capitol steps?
MT
That's about the only thing I found humorous at the time, I laughed out loud.
Charon
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Sikboy. First I'm making a "preposterous allegation". Then its oh ya, thats old news. Next. You don't agree with my assessment. What assessment? You made a little joke. I expanded on it.
If you are interested in my assessment, here goes.
Sophomoric remarks aside (I just pulled the first quotes that popped up in the search engine). There are some basic facts in those quotes. Suspicious facts. On the serface, so what. This all happened years before 9.11. But, there is something fishy going on with the Bush's and the Saudi's. Nearly all of the 9.11 terrorist were Saudi. Do we attack Saudi Arabia? No we attack Afghanistan. We declare war on countries that support terrorist. The Saudi's do so with millions of dollars. Do we attack them? No. Abdulla comes to town, and orders Jr. around like one of his harem. What does Jr. do. Just what he is told.
Now, I am far removed from the ruling classes. And I have about as much chance of finding out what is going on here. As I do finding out what really happened to Kennedy. But I smell a rat.
FWIW. I think Jr. is a good President. At a time when America needs a Great President. This is no small matter. For example. LBJ was a good President, when the nation needed a great one. The man was a quitter. If the British had, had LBJ instead of Churchill. They would have been speaking German for the last 50 years.
We still don't know where this is all leading. And we may need someone with more snap, and NO middle eastern ties at all, before it is over.
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Originally posted by easymo
Sikboy. First I'm making a "preposterous allegation". Then its oh ya, thats old news. Next. You don't agree with my assessment. What assessment?
My position hasn't changed. But you do a good job of making it sounds as if it has.
The fact that these things have cropped up in the past doesn't make them any less preposterous. I was so confident that you were trolling that I didn't want to put in much effor in refutation. But since you've taken the next step, I will too.
The easiest to refute is the Secret Bin Laden Escape plan. This is really why I figured that this was a troll. It has been widely reported that this little gem was a mistake from the begining, largely being attributed to Micheal Moore. The Bin Ladens did leave the country. But it was one week after the attacks, and after plane were flying again.
http://www.independent.co.uk/story.jsp?story=96090
As far as the Carlyle group goes... They are an international Investment firm. They take money, and turn it into more money. It is not odd that they would take money from some Saudi Oil Barons. The fact that Pres. Bush Sr. has met with these people, in a professional capacity is not anything criminal. Given that the Bin Ladin family, outside of Osama, has not been indicted on any crime, much less found guilty really makes me wonder why you hate the guys so much?
Prince Abdulla shows up in Texas. You would have us believe that he dictated terms to the President of the United States. That's one way to interpret the move that Bush made. I personally have a different interpretation. That he made a move that would distance himself from the actions of Israel. This would give us the ability to dodge some of the bad press we were getting, while at the same time not actually doing anything. It was a win for the US, and since Israel didn't actually have to comply with our demands, they win too. In fact everyone wins.
As far the "assesment" that I refered to. You gave these little tidbits much more credence than I did. Your assessment was that they had merit. My assessment is that they don't.
The fact that the liberal media didn't latch onto this, but rather the relationship between the Carlyle Group and Crusader speaks volumes to me.
-Sikboy
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Originally Spewed by Tah-Gut
I'm feeling compelled to defend the Bush family :eek:
I know, it's a wierd feeling that doesn't wash off :confused: