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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: akak on May 16, 2002, 12:03:25 AM
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For those of you that insist on launching into one of your anti-muslim, liberal, immigrant, etc...bigoted diatribes, can you save it for your weekly klan meetings instead of spouting that garbage on Channel 1?
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Ack-Ack
479th FG - Riddle's Raiders
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So being "anti-liberal" makes you a biggot.... :rolleyes:
What are some sort of college student? Oh wait I know what you are, an idiot.
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GRUN,
You lay off the anti-Liberal rants and I'll lay off the anti-Conservative rants, OK?;)
(I do think that ranting against large sections of our populace {be they black, white, Conservative or Liberal} does create a non-enjoyable environment. We don't know who the other players are, lets not go attacking a potentially large chunk of HTC's paying customers just 'cause we want to be an ass)
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There are right, and left wingers, rubbing their hands hoping this gets tossed into the O club.:)
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ROTFL! If Anti-Liberal makes one a biggot... I'm a BIG BAD BASTIGE OF A BIGGOT!
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But Karnak even you have admit this fellow is a complete idiot if he considers disagreement with his views, don't be too techincal here he all but said that, to be biggoted.
He's a moron.... :D
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Originally posted by Karnak
GRUN,
You lay off the anti-Liberal rants and I'll lay off the anti-Conservative rants, OK?;)
(I do think that ranting against large sections of our populace {be they black, white, Conservative or Liberal} does create a non-enjoyable environment. We don't know who the other players are, lets not go attacking a potentially large chunk of HTC's paying customers just 'cause we want to be an ass)
the liberal bashing I can take, since I'm a republican but it's the anti-muslim, jewish and other bigoted talk thats b.s. and doesn't need to be on channel one.
ack-ack
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Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
But Karnak even you have admit this fellow is a complete idiot if he considers disagreement with his views, don't be too techincal here he all but said that, to be biggoted.
He's a moron.... :D
Just because I don't think Muslims are the anti-christ or immigrants aren't evil, I'm a complete idiot? No offense Grunherz, you might like burning crosses and wearing little white hoods, doesn't mean we all do.
ack-ack
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Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
What are some sort of college student?
Collge student are bad!
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Ahhhh I see NUKE was at his pulpit again. First time in 7 years of flying I have been squelching channel 1 as the first thing i do when i log on. This is becoming a nightly bashing and I am just sick of it also.
NUTTZ
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GRUN,
I haven't been on in days. I have no idea what brought this up, so I cannot comment on its particular validity.
I was just trying to be humorous, and then pointing out in brackets that it is polite to refrain from discussions that are "heated".
I've been guilty of it too, but Channel 1 shouldn't be used for these things.
Remember the old addage about not discussing politics or religion?
Pretty good idea in this context.
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There's a new gunman in town..
Oooooh
ps) wholeheartedly agreed. Grunherz, it's not what someone wants to think that makes him a biggot. It's ranting about it in a game channel which is supposed to have no racial, sexual, gender, political boundaries in them that makes him a grade-A tard.
Seeing people make remarks such as "yeah you wusses bombed pearl harbor" when they get shot down by a Japanese MA pilot makes me wanna puke. History is one thing, reciting history as a way of personal vendetta is another.
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Don't you wish that you could hear the cockpit radio's of WWII pilots on all sides? Akak, I'm sure they loved one another and made dinner plans for the evening.
Masher
It won't change. My brother is Vietnamese (came over on the last plane as Saigon fell). Do you realize the number of fights that have ensued through the years? I don't think so.
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I agree that people should not use deliberate racist and sexist words on ch1. I don't think anyone should blindly attack muslims either.
I just disagree with his assertion that disagreement with liberalism is biggotry.
Same here Karnak, look at my stats I barely ever play AH so I have no idea what's going on on ch1 these days.
Can you give us specifics akak?
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Isn't this getting to be exactly the kind of thread Pyro warned us about, what, all of one DAY ago?
The very first response to this post calls the poster an idiot.
Sheesh, you guys. :confused:
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Guilty as charged.. :D
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.squelch politics
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That is correct, political disagreements are NOT biggoted, and it is stupid to think otherwise.
Masher
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about politics ?
Bush is a lost cowboy
with a IQ not to be proud off
I prefer the clinton look
that guy at least had some charisma :)
Two parties conservative and less conservative
what a great choice
:rolleyes:
what is right what is left ?
it's so relative
Anyway a fanatic moslim is just as scary as a fanatic christian
what the shreck they using the same old testament as well as the jews.
why believe when until now it's 99% cause off war ?
It's time to see persons as individuals and not as a crowd
Racism sucks but u don't have to be white to get racial feelings also.
I think a big problem in the USA
But the open channnel
Is a good place to fish :D
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I hope HT steps in here and pulls the trigger quickly on this crap...it's a flight sim ya turds. Want to make a statement about politics, do us all a favor and keep it in the O'Club, not here and especially online.
I had to squelch 1 last night due to all of the thumb sucking. It started out harmless enough, then went in the crapper.
Please
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What Rude said.
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i usualy like the banter on the chan 1... but more and more recently the topic has turned to ugly dark racisim.... you people know who you are and are entitled to your opinion even if it is norrow minded and blinkered..
I like so many other decent people who play this game should not have to squelch channel one so that you bigots can spout your uninformed views.. as was said before this is a game not the anti jewish, anti muslim ,anti black, anti european ,anti everyone who dont conform to your view club...
i have muslim, jewish, black and white friends some of whom play this game, and when i read some of the racist remarkes on the white channel i cringe in dispare..
clean up the MA ...i know most of the time its not there fault and they are just lambs following along...
If people just said "hey thats not right shut up" enough times these people will think twice about starting this crap
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Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
So being "anti-liberal" makes you a biggot.... :rolleyes:
What are some sort of college student? Oh wait I know what you are, an idiot.
akak's right. That Nuke guy is of gunman26 caliber. All he does is sit in the tower and spout politics. I'm sick of hearing it myself. I've been squelching him and a couple others lately. I never thought squelching would become something I'd do regularly.
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Channel 1 was not implemented to give people a soapbox from which to spam their political/religious views. If someone is abusing it, email a screenshot or film to support@hitechcreations.com.
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Best thing about sending HTC 24 canadain a month is to see that guy for 5 miniutes on channel one and think..
He will be delt with...lol
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.squelch 1
.squelch 6
I don’t seem to care as much about anything else but my flying and the AO I’m in with this little sequence.
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any body can come here and make up some stupid rant. But any broad genaralization about what you percieve as "bigoted" can hardly be taken seriosly. Especially since you now are backing down from your original "outrage". (you dont mind anti liberal folks).
The burden of proof is on you. If you claim such a "terrible" bigoted attitude then have the sack to post the pics and names of the folks who you believe are these terrible evil bigots.
I am anti Israel and an anti Zionist. I hope they one day get beat out of the middle east. I hope both the arabs and Israelis keep killing each other till no of them are left. I think that leftists, liberals are hypocritical liars. Who spend more time trying to impose upon the rest of us a series of things that they dont follow themselves. Just like Christians.
In an open discussion about such things I am going to tell you exactly what I think. If you cant handle that then squelch it.
However, throughing racial insults, or branding any one with a specific "tag" (to include "nazi, bigot, racist) is just an attempt to shut some one up.
I dont know what you claim to have seen on channel 1 but next time be a man and bring evidence and names.
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Wotan, I think you're missing the point. I am not of the same political beliefs as ack ack, but I am also tired of the political crap being brought into the arena. Even you are snagged into spilling the details of your political beliefs here in this thread. I don't care what they are. Why can't we post all the political and religious stuff in the O club? That's where it belongs.
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Originally posted by Pyro
Channel 1 was not implemented to give people a soapbox from which to spam their political/religious views. If someone is abusing it, email a screenshot or film to support@hitechcreations.com.
That has been exactly what has been transpiring on Ch 1 of late. I will take a screenshot next time. Last night it just went on and on. I usually ignore the rants on Ch 1 but some of the statements I've seen going across lately is too much and out of line in my opinion.
Wotan, Grun- if you filter the noise out I believe the real point of this thread is the above.
Tango, XO
412th FS Braunco Mustangs
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Originally posted by Masherbrum
Don't you wish that you could hear the cockpit radio's of WWII pilots on all sides? Akak, I'm sure they loved one another and made dinner plans for the evening.
Masher
What the hell does that have to do with a computer game????
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Besides some cases of chute shooting, I have heard that fighter pilots were quite civil to one another. Just what I have heard though.
I have a great way of avoiding that crap on channel 1, I dont squelch, I just take my plane elsewhere.
Euro theatre was like that in AW, and all of them are now in the MA.
IMHO i think that kind of disrespect is indicative of a gutless wonderwuss that hides behind a screen cause he cant possibly have the brains to justify his beliefs to his pet toejamzu. If I am stuck somewhere with other people I have to deal with, I dont start yelling that kind of crap. I think people should have the decency not to do so in this game. If they cant control themselves it only makes them seem more childish.
of course we all need to admit that most of the pilots in this game tend to hide the old bottle under the parachute.....
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>>even you have admit this fellow is a complete idiot if he considers disagreement with his views, <<
What you stated above was not his point, however you did seize upon that though.
He makes a good point though; and wouldn't it be better to leave religion, politics and your sexual flavor and race preferences outta the arena and off the Channels?
I read a similar vein of conversation over CH1 last week end, and was offended by it. One of the guys doing it was apparently very comfy while spouting off, and was joined by several others, each more ignorant than the first; again as if it was alright with everyone else who could see CH.1 text rolling over the screen.
This just isn't right and totally unfair to everyone else. Hell, I'd rather see that kind of text banned or chastised instead of getting a system warning cuz I say 'damn'. That isn't going to happen so why not everyone steer clear of the standard taboo topics eg. religion, race, politics, etc etc.
Otherwise, it will get really ugly and that is no fun at all.
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hb
none of these threads are started by me, if someone makes a statement about such and such and you dont like it or if anyone doesnt then we have a squelch and ignore feature.
But my point in what i was saying is, who is akak, or anyone to throw out generalizations of whats racist when he provides no proof or even quotes that which he calls racist so we can decide on our own. He made a statement that hes tired of racist remarks on 1. Then who was it and what did they say? Thats what you would expect to see.
For those of you that insist on launching into one of your anti-muslim, liberal, immigrant, etc...bigoted diatribes, can you save it for your weekly klan meetings instead of spouting that garbage on Channel 1?
He doesnt mention politics. My post was on topic. :) and i have never seen a "diatribe" on 1.
The fact you or anyone doesn't care for any political issues being discussed in game is different then trying to stop a discussion with the "race card".
I squelch 1 and a bunch of folks. I dont make whiney posts about what other folks chose to talk about. If I dont like whats in a thread I dont read it.
However racial and ethnic religious name calling is different in expressing a political views (well in most cases). And htc should come down on it.
But I doudt you or htc could stop "political" discussions whether they be on channel 1 or else where. Thats different from cracking down on folks who use racial slurs.
My post is only addressing akak not any of the other stuff you all are mixing into it. I dont discuss politics any where except in threads where they are brought up like this one. Theres alot more that goes on over channel 1 thats far outragous then politics.
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The person startin all this stuff in the MA is doing so for kicks. I doubt he believes any of what he says. Once he gets a few bites he just keeps stirring the pot until the players keep the crap going. Hell he does a fine job of it.
To him its a game that he is playin, i think its time someone stepped in and dealt with him.
We all know who he is, it seems hard to believe noone from HTC has seen this happen and who started it... It goes on for hours every night lately.
Remove that one person and the problem is solved. He can't claim there is no proof, when anyone tuned to channel 1 around 10pm est any night is a witness...
SKurj
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I have allways had a hard time figuring out just what constitued 'racist" so far as words are concerned.
Could someone please publish a list of current taboo words and update it on a daily basis for me? It would need to be someone who fancies himself brighter than the rest of us and with internet "publishing" ability... Being a pompous blowhard would of course be a big help.... widemouth seems a natural for the job but I don't like to volunteer anyone.
lazs
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it might (i could be wrong) if someone would point out who the mystery "racist" is and what he said. I know it would hekp if someone just sent a screen shot to htc and let it get handled that way then rushing to the bbs to stir up the masses.
:rolleyes:
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My feelings on channel 1 are along the lines of AKAK and some others, and would prefer to have the channel much more "sterile" than it currently is. I don't feel that anyone should be forced to squelch this channel because they don't like the content. Channel 1 is a tool for us to use, not abuse.
Everyone has a right to free speech, and can say anything they would like, but they cannot indiscriminately broadcast their views over every media available to them, especially if some of their views could be interpreted as offensive. I think that the comments by AKAK and others are a simple attempt to reduce the amount of offensive comments on Channel 1. There doesn't need to be a trial over specific comments as Wotan suggests, using records or transcripts as evidence or proof just to be able to make a suggestion that we should watch what we say on an open channel. That is insane! We all know that Hitech can punish any one specific individual by providing such evidence, but the intent here is to remind everyone to take more care in what they say. Don't get upset at the people who are blowing the whistle. And keep the airwaves friendly and clear!!!
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Have seen a lot of gay bashing on Ch1, a fair amount of ethnic and racist slurs too. It doesn't really bother me personally as I am a straight white Christian male. But I'm sure there are a lot of people who find this stuff personally offensive. It's a game, and it should be fun. If you are bringing stuff into the game that is offensive and therefore not fun, then please go away.
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There are very young people playing this game. Very impressionable young people. Impressionable young people who probably have concerned parents giving htc cash.... I would hate to see a parent who was just happy the kid wasnt playing some first person shooter with blood and guts everywhere, only to find racial slurs and very ignorant/offensive comments with no relation to the game sitting flashing across there 10 year olds computer screen.
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In the interests of historical accuracy I need to confirm just 1 item here:
Akak is correct except for the word "liberal" in his original post? Right? So, do we all agree that the rest of his post is valid? If so, lets move along folks....nothing to see here except some blithering idiocy. Unless someone would like to step up and defend bigotry on channel 1......anyone? ............Bueller?
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Originally posted by midnight Target
Unless someone would like to step up and defend bigotry on channel 1......anyone? ............Bueller?
:cool:
Well Damnit this country was founed on the princeple of freedom. and to supress that freedom... wait, this is a private enterprise isn't it...
OK, Information doesn't hurt anyone, and even the most bigoted, racist love muffin has information to give and we can all learn from... wait, channel one wasn't designed or intended for the use of conveying information outside of game aspects...
OK, You can squelch channel one if you don't have the 'nads to hang with the big dawgs... oh wait, creating or allowing a hostile environment is not conducive to attracting/keeping a large playerbase, which pays the bills..
Never mind.
-Sikboy
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I declare Sikboy the winner in the Sikboy vs. Sikboy Bigotry debate. :)
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So, do we all agree that the rest of his post is valid?
no because its so subjective in the current pc world as to be meaningless unless he provides some sort of quote or context where we can judge for our selves.
Barring that had he been so offended with what was said then it would have been better to go to htc not the board.
A few years ago a guy was fired (local govern work dont remember where) for using the word "niggardly". You can look it up. He was labelled a bigoted racist.
We would all agree that specific instances of racial naming calling should not be allowed. But in todays climate people throw the words "racist" "bigot" and even "nazi" around rather easily.
Theres no "free speech" in AH or on this board. Pyro has said that channel 1 aint the place for politics. So thats it. But in an open discussion about "things" then everyone will have an opinion. Its up to you to decide which of these opinions you will listen to and which to squelch. None of you all are helpless. Dot squelch works. And if you find it so offensive document it and let ht deal with it.
But assuming that "everyone" agrees" with such generalizations is wrong.
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Guess what sports fans?????
You have choices, I mean seriously, you have choices.
No one makes you listen to Channel 1, you can squelch the whole channel or individuals. You have a choice.
You can get on this BBS and rant and rave about others being bigots, and then let your own words brand you as a bigot too. Or you can ignore the ignorant. You have a choice.
No one is the arbiter of conduct in the arena other than HTC. If you are offended by someone's conduct in the arena, take a screen shot or two and send it to HTC. I am sure they will take care of the problem. Or maybe they won't, they have choices also.
The best way to deal with south bound ends of north bound horses it to hunt them down and blow them to bits, while ignoring them on Channel 1. I especially like shootin' off a wing, and seeing that it was some %*$* that I just hammered, then going back and shooting his chute :D
Face it, chute shootin' isn't as much fun as vulchin', but I'll take what I can get :D
Your mileage may vary,
AKEagle+
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Originally posted by tracerx
I think that the comments by AKAK and others are a simple attempt to reduce the amount of offensive comments on Channel 1. There doesn't need to be a trial over specific comments as Wotan suggests, using records or transcripts as evidence or proof just to be able to make a suggestion that we should watch what we say on an open channel. That is insane! We all know that Hitech can punish any one specific individual by providing such evidence, but the intent here is to remind everyone to take more care in what they say. Don't get upset at the people who are blowing the whistle. And keep the airwaves friendly and clear!!!
Nicely said tracerx.
AKEagle- regarding Ch 1...
Originally posted by Pyro
Channel 1 was not implemented to give people a soapbox from which to spam their political/religious views. If someone is abusing it, email a screenshot or film to support@hitechcreations.com.
From my personal experience as of late I think a general statement about showing a little more respect with Ch 1 coms was not out of line.
Tango, XO
412th FS Braunco Mustangs
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I guess you missed my post in this thread AND my other post last week. I think the original intent of leaving names out because maybe, just maybe the person might be reading this and take steps to avoid this himself in the future without HTC stepping in. I for one don't want to see anyone get the boot, but once in awhile someone needs to step in and give some people a "timeout" whether it's done by themselves or HTC.
NUTTZ
Originally posted by Wotan
it might (i could be wrong) if someone would point out who the mystery "racist" is and what he said. I know it would hekp if someone just sent a screen shot to htc and let it get handled that way then rushing to the bbs to stir up the masses.
:rolleyes:
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Originally posted by NUTTZ
I guess you missed my post in this thread AND my other post last week. I think the original intent of leaving names out because maybe, just maybe the person might be reading this and take steps to avoid this himself in the future without HTC stepping in. I for one don't want to see anyone get the boot, but once in awhile someone needs to step in and give some people a "timeout" whether it's done by themselves or HTC.
NUTTZ
That's the reason why I didn't mention names or at first send a film/screenshot, I thought the most of the players here would be mature enough to police themselves and the arena, but alas, I was wrong.
Good thing I did film it though, since it's obvious the arena can't police itself, I just sent it in so HTC can do the job.
Ack-Ack
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>Guess what sports fans?????
>You have choices, I mean seriously, you have choices.
>No one makes you listen to Channel 1, you can squelch the >whole channel or individuals. You have a choice.
AKeagle
I like to have channel 1 on - sometimes people you know say Hi or there are, believe it or not some conversations you like to hear- whatever.
The recent barrage at night/early morning (there 's not just 1 guy - it's several) has been pretty ugly.
At the time of the day there are many nationalilities playing what is a global game - I have felt embarrassed for some of the other players from other countries who are on-line at the time.
I don't lose sleep over it - but it detracts from the enjoyment of the game
A "permanent" squelch list would probably help
Redd
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It takes alot to get under my skin and last night channel 1 made me sick. I am sure I have a film if needed. I fly to have fun, not to debate like children over non-game related toppics, or name calling and insults. I did squelch 1, and is fine for a tempory fix.
Gunner
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Just out of curiosity, has this issue(s) ever come up in the past? If it did how was it dealt with then? Does HTC have some guidelines of what they consider inappropriote or do they just trust us to use common sense? All this crap really detracts from the fun of this great little game. I have not been on a whole lot latley so im just wondering if there is a serious problem or do we have a few morons offending the easily offendable? (just asking) I just would hate to see this turn into a tattle tale fest, but in the same breath if your one that cant see you're messing up a good thing maybe you do need to be reported. Just my two cents worth, felt the need to pop off after reading all that. If you don't like it, i don't care, but i will sleep better tonight.:D
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Yesterday i saw a big yella butterfly, and I thought, fly
butterfly, fly. Then I thought, who named ye 'butterlfy'?:confused:
Then I thought, it should be called a flutterby.:cool:
Then I thought fly, flutterby, fly.:)
But that didnt flow well:(
Then I thought, fly butterfly, fly.
And somehow I felt enlightened.
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I would hate to see a parent who was just happy the kid wasnt playing some first person shooter with blood and guts everywhere, only to find racial slurs and very ignorant/offensive comments with no relation to the game sitting flashing across there 10 year olds computer screen.
DLamBa is 11
:D
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OK, You can squelch channel one if you don't have the 'nads to hang with the big dawgs... oh wait, creating or allowing a hostile environment is not conducive to attracting/keeping a large playerbase, which pays the bills
Nads have nothing to do with it, I just get tired of listening to all you handsomehunkes. I squelch ch1 as soon as I log on. I didn't used to, a few years ago, but it (channel 1) haas just gotten out of hand.
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Mature enough to police themselves??!! Ain't never gonna happen. A JrHigh mentality prevails in the game and here as well.
I'm also pretty sick of the just squelch channel one advice...why in the world should channel one be the sole property of those who choose to harass, denigrate, cry like little girls and generally make tulips of themselves? Given the fact that there is an acceptable use policy in this game, my 15 bucks buys the right to a channel one that is NOT simply a vehicle for abuse. By squelching channel one you are giving up and letting the inmates run the asylum.
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Aztec ur right! Until now everytime I squelched chn 1 but by now I'll make my little Film and send it to HT. I'm sick of all this garbage and I'm sick of missing many funny things and good discussions on chn 1 (yes there are intersting posts)!
If u want to type moronic stuff or want to type profanity to abuse someone change to personal chn.
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Yeah redd, you feel embarassed for them? I just cant imagine how stereotypically stupid americans look to the kiwis, brits and japanese that play quite a bit in this game. It is alway terrible when americans live up to the isolationist, moronic, belligerent, egocentric stereoptype others have rightfully assigned to us.
I wonder if france would accept a poor american immigrant?
:(
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Originally posted by ergRTC
I wonder if france would accept a poor american immigrant?
:(
Your cannot be truly poor till you've tested our local IRS (called fisc here) :D
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>>I declare Sikboy the winner in the Sikboy vs. Sikboy Bigotry debate. <<
Stop stepping on my robe!!!
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GunnerCAF- with ya bud.
Slash27- I consider myself pretty tolerant. The usual trash-talking and taunting on Ch 1 (e.g. "you cheater", "HO dweeb", "my daddy can beat up your daddy", etc.) though I think moronic didn't bother me. What bothered and sickened me as of late are the tirades that go on and on such as unending rascists comments slamming Jews or Palestinians for instance.
Aztec, Deudel- good perspectives and advice.
Tango, XO
412th FS Braunco Mustangs
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racist?? biggoted?? hell i hate everyone one on an equal basis!! and after all ch1 is a chatroom were ya get ta kill people. i find that .squelch bla bla works great for me:cool:
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>Yeah redd, you feel embarassed for them? I just cant imagine >how stereotypically stupid americans look to the kiwis, brits and >japanese that play quite a bit in this game. It is alway terrible >when americans live up to the isolationist, moronic, belligerent, >egocentric stereoptype others have rightfully assigned to us.
I play from Australia, and don't get me wrong we've got our share of idiots down here as well. I have no idea where the players are from that have been spouting the racist crap, they mainly sound ignorant and immature - we've all got those types.
Redd
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Cool australia huh. Well your history and ours (expansion into aboriginal 'free' land/get your damn government off MY property) tends to create some of the same types.
We have a dolphin lab here at Georgetown that has a research site at Shark Bay. The grad students that HAVE to go down there for research are really pitied by the rest of us....
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....Im posting in OClub, thanks for pointing me there.
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No, you were wrong for injecting that crap into the MA. Take it to the O'club, there are plenty of people there willing to discuss your political views.
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What Hlbair said.
BTW NUKE. Where did you used to "fly" before and were you allowed to talk as you do now, on the AH common channel, there too?
Westy