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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: BenDover on May 16, 2002, 01:45:50 PM
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randam engine cut outs, fires, bits of plane dropping off the n1k?:)
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Ya hooked one!
Because the NegG cutout problem was a desing fault.
-Sikboy
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i'm sure they designed the n1k to fall to bits:p :rolleyes:
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And how about engine flameouts in the 262 if you advanced (or retarded, can't remember which) the throttle too fast?
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How about random engine explosions in the Me 262 every 10 hours of flying.
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even though you two are proberly being sarcastic, yes add it!
I love seeing hair driers go boom
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I'm serious about the 262 throttle and flameouts. I really think that this would be a bit of historic flavor that would add to the game. This was not a design flaw or poor workmanship issue, it was part of the personality of the aircraft and an operational issue that the pilots dealt with each flight. I would liken it visibility from the cockpit, Spit 1 carburators or even stall characteristics of a given plane.
As to mechanical failures of aircraft... I would enjoy a system in which things did go wrong with the aircraft from time to time. Perhaps we would have the option of two versions of each aircraft, one would have a pseudo historic chance of mechanical failure, the other would have a modest perk cost and be free of the problem? This would, at a simple level, reflect the top pilots getting improved equipment.
Pardon for a moment while I put on my sunglasses to protect myself from the glare of the flames that are about to be directed at me. :cool:
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Random engine cutouts and malfunctions might not do much to add to the game.. but the 262 engines being stressed with sudden throttle application might work.
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Not modeling the float carbs on the Early Merlins would be more like not modeling the lack of a two stage turbo on a 190a5.
Most Spit Vbs had it as well....
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Originally posted by BenDover
randam engine cut outs, fires, bits of plane dropping off the n1k?:)
NO Way
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i guess you fly n1ks, well it happened, who has the figures on the % of n1ks that fell to bits in the sky
and to show i'm not biased, how about modeling the p51's tendancy to suck spent shell casings into its radiator?
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Originally posted by BenDover
i guess you fly n1ks, well it happened, who has the figures on the % of n1ks that fell to bits in the sky
so what? it happened with any plane.
Come up with hard and reliable data first for all planes modelled, then we can talk about modelling it on AH or not.
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Although not as graphically pleasing I guess the "Host connection lost" :eek: message mid flight covers random engine blowouts etc.
TTFN
snafu
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unfortunatly, i don't have the figures, but i know someone has them, wish i could remember the thread, but i don't.
But what i do remember is that about half of n1k2j's destroyed fell out of the sky due to mechanical problems.
262s engines flamed out when riding the throttle too much
p51s had a tendancy to suck spent shell casings into its radiator, btw, was this a prob on yaks and hurris?
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In the case of the shell casings for the p51, there was a simple field mod designed by my wife's grandfather (he was ground crew for B's, later became cc) that prevented this and also kept the shaft clean from debri from grass/dirt fields that would cause them to back-up and jam the gun.
I've got some cool B-pony pics, and pics of his mod but I havent scanned in the mod pics yet.
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Originally posted by AcId
In the case of the shell casings for the p51, there was a simple field mod designed by my wife's grandfather (he was ground crew for B's, later became cc) that prevented this and also kept the shaft clean from debri from grass/dirt fields that would cause them to back-up and jam the gun.
I've got some cool B-pony pics, and pics of his mod but I havent scanned in the mod pics yet.
would be cool if you could get those pics
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next time I'm over there (grandma's house) I'll grab the good mod pics, it looks like a rear-facing scoop that was riveted over the ports the casings were ejected from. Grandma says he was particularly proud of it :)
At work now, when I get home tonight I'll post some of the pony pics in the SS forum.
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Bendover..once again you are comparing apples and oranges.
That is the engine technology on the early merlin..It was designed to be that way. The others are manufacturing or engineering defects and were not intended to be that way.
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Originally posted by BenDover
unfortunatly, i don't have the figures, but i know someone has them, wish i could remember the thread, but i don't.
But what i do remember is that about half of n1k2j's destroyed fell out of the sky due to mechanical problems.
Listen dude, Pongo already mentioned manufacturing defects are not modelled on AH. Furthermore if you want something like that modelled on AH you better go with number of hours logged by each plane before it fell apart, because we are talking about a life span of a plane.
And most importantly, I remember the thread you are talking about. Some of us were curious as to whether what he posted was true and asked for the source. Guess what? He didn't come up with it. That number is not a reliable source.
Don't tell me that you are going to believe that thread and say N1K2-Js had highly unreliable land gears, because I already showed it on my thread (N1K2-J and its gears (http://www.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=50905)) that this is a misunderstanding and rather incorrect.
If you are going into this direction, go research into the FW190D which also suffered from manufacturing defects and see if you can come up with numbers which are reliable.
Honestly, I would rather have HTC spend their efforts in modelling more planes than doing something that cannot even be qualified or quantified.
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Any aircraft failure is already simulated by my computer and connection being crap.
eskimo
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ok, I apologize, I thought those were real figures
and you could have said those were not real figures, instead of being snappy by saying "NO way", making you sound like a whiner, whining about his favourite ride.
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Maybe introduce a 262 with 100 perk points that has realistic engine management? Would mean that instead of the present slow rev-up time the pilot would have full control but also the option to flame out his engines if he didn't take care of them..
That would bring an uncertainty factor and added skill requirement enough to decrease perk value. What do you think?
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i've just had an idea for a new strat target, engine factorys, taking these out would effect that countrys engine reliabilaty
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FWIW, in my opinion if you model the Spit and Hurri's neg G problems with their fuel system, the same should be done to the 262 and the AR234 and their design flaws in the fuel systems.
Having to baby the throttle movements to avoid a flameout should be modeled in, just like the neg G stuff, because both were flaws in the system, and nothing is more BS than including designs problems into one country's planes but not their enemy's planes.
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Originally posted by BenDover
ok, I apologize, I thought those were real figures
and you could have said those were not real figures, instead of being snappy by saying "NO way", making you sound like a whiner, whining about his favourite ride.
Ben, Ben, Ben... no need to apologize... and let's not start this, this thread started off as a whine to bash the N1K2.