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Help and Support Forums => Help and Training => Topic started by: rickod on May 16, 2002, 10:39:18 PM
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this is just one of several shots i was vulched by these gents about 35 times
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Some times TA is bit wild.
If scurrent airfield is Vulchers Low filed, you maybe should take off from closest friendly sirfield.
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SNORKEL: (o /\ o)
:D
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Take off from a different field and give it back to them, they're immature. When I first started I was in the TA for a total of 30 minutes before going to the MA. I was shot down ONCE, and was relentless on shooting down the moron who was trying to be cute, he left after the sixth time. Give it back. I would just go to the MA myself. Just don't think everyone in here is like that. All of us have our moments, all of us, but this is a great bunch of guys that are constantly dishing it out and taking it.
Masher
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You have to remember half of those in the TA are there on their first free 2 weeks. They are between 10 & 16 years old, and they are out to impress the world how bad they can fly/shoot/swear.
Most do not have a lot of patience so by the time they learn how to fly they are looking to kill.
That being said there are a few bully's in the TA.
Like bully's everywhere they hang out where the young, weak & defensless are. Like all bully's they are really cowards at heart.
As one of AH's few "active" trainers I have been putting in a LOT of hours lately. But everyone else has to help also.
If you see a situation stand up & step in to defuse it.
2 wrongs do not make a right, EVER!
If you died, ok, sorry, its virtual, get over it.
If they are vulching you, leave, surely you can find someone else like minded to practise with in a different area.
Last, from what I've been hearing HTC has been bombarded with film lately. If your going to send film it should IMO show
A That you in NO way provoked it by word or deed.
B That it happened repeatedly
C That you moved to another area/country but he followed you.
Results may not happen right away from a single film. But if it is one in a chain of many action will happen eventually.
Last but perhaps in my opinion most important.
The Training arena is for TRAINING! If you want to FFA take it to the dueling arena. Thats what its there for.
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the TA can be trying at times .... I ussually change feilds. if you revenge vulch them it just teaches them that vulching is the thing to do then after there two weeks they bring there bad habbit into the h2h rooms.
you can always tell them to get up off the ground and learn to fly and fight . the ones that are serious about this game will come up and learn , the ones that dont are just kids.
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I've noticed there are a few "squads" that hang out in the TA almost exclusively. The vulcher in the above appears to belong to one of them. KERG'S BEST MEN or something to that effect is another I see in there all the time.
They appear to me to use the TA as their own little 'relaxed realism' arena. A check of some scores/time-spent in the other arenas seems to support this assumption.
I generally use the TA to try out a new or different plane and hopefully get in a little small-scale ACM practice with a willing partner.
When I log in and see the above-mentioned squads in the roster (and they ALWAYS are), I just up from a field far, far away. I don't think they've ever followed me.
It's a big map. All I can say is, if you try to practice in their playground, expect to be harassed.
Splash1
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i see what you mean dennis
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:eek:
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(http://pages.cthome.net/crzn22/MAW/training.jpg)
These are the rules and they should be followed ... no excuses.
If HTC has gotten multiple emails/films about this punk squad then someone with authority should do something about it. Ejection doesn't have to happen immediately, but an email telling them that they have been reported and any more occurences will result in a cancelling/banning of their account just might do the trick.
"The Training arena is for TRAINING! If you want to FFA take it to the dueling arena. Thats what its there for."
Ghosth ... these words are falling on deaf ears in this thread ... these should be repeated to the vulching punks in the TA.
Also, just because the MAP is so large, does that justify a relaxation in the rules that are so clearly stated when entering the TA? The answer is "go somewhere else" ... ?
"It's a big map. All I can say is, if you try to practice in their playground, expect to be harassed."
You have got to be kidding me ... "THEIR" playground ... so they, this punk squad, OWNS A1 or whatever field they decide to turn on the "vulch light".
Looks like people are making excuses and justifying the actions of these rogues rather than enforcing the rules.
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i guess there the official TA squad only .... i hardly ever see them in the main
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Originally posted by SlapShot
Also, just because the MAP is so large, does that justify a relaxation in the rules that are so clearly stated when entering the TA? The answer is "go somewhere else" ... ?
"It's a big map. All I can say is, if you try to practice in their playground, expect to be harassed."
You have got to be kidding me ... "THEIR" playground ... so they, this punk squad, OWNS A1 or whatever field they decide to turn on the "vulch light".
Looks like people are making excuses and justifying the actions of these rogues rather than enforcing the rules.
No. I'm not kidding you. The rules appear to work both ways.
"If someone is currently bombing a field then do not take off from that filed (sic)"
It seems to me that someone REPEATEDLY taking off under a furball in the TA has a reasonable expectation of similar results as doing the same in the MA. Doesn't mean it's fair. Just not unexpected.
Yeah, vulching is "not allowed" in the TA. Someone else wrote 'two wrongs don't make a right.' It's readily apparent where the punk squad(s) are operating when you log in to the TA. If you don't want to tangle with them you have options.
I think that if HiTech wants to do something about these kids he will.
Personally, I don't think, in a perfect world, that the TA should be anyone's 'Relaxed Realism' personal playground. I agree that the arena should be for training only. I'm not justifying these "squads." You'd think "KERG'S" and the various "bombing group" 'squads' that hang out almost exclusively in there would play HTH instead. It's free, and there rarely seem to be more than eight at a time.
But I just play the game. And adapt.
Splash1
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You have to remember half of those in the TA are there on their first free 2 weeks. They are between 10 & 16 years old, and they are out to impress the world how bad they can fly/shoot/swear.
not all 10-16 year olds are like that take a look at me and NOD2000 we rarely swaer fly well and shoot better than some (nod better than most buff flyers not to brag) i used to fly in the ta and yes thats where all the people in there first 2 weeks go. i neve had a vulching problem in the ta myself i just had a learn to fly problem (spent first 4 days learning to fly without crashing on the first easy turn) then spent the next 10 days becoming good enough to kill another plane and that was another newbie. dont blame the newbies that hang out there for the vulching they dont have the skill to fly half the time let alone swoop in on a feild with a plane shoot someone and get out without crashing. not that im saying its a good thing its just a bit difficult for newbies to do npt that they should be doing in in the first place. roscoroos right. and we hth users dont want to look after vulchers who come into our feilds and vulch us. we spend half tohe time breaking people of there habits that they were taught by some irresponsible ta users. The Training arena is for TRAINING! If you want to FFA take it to the dueling arena. Thats what its there for.
hmm only one problem with the DA theres no one in it half the time. if you want some ffa action come to the hth and spend a couplke hours in bwidows,roscoroos or simcade arenas.
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Sounds like part of the "ganging" problem is that they're a "gang" or squad. Don't allow squads to be formed in the TA.
Make ack unkillable at some fields.
Maybe re-think the two week free trial. Require a credit card for a membership. No charge if membership is cancelled within a month or two weeks if you insist.
Gooss
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Requiring c/c information is a surefire way to repell many potential customers. I'd probably not be a customer today if I hadn't the chance I was given.
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I didn't express it well.
Require credit card info up front with the first month free and cancellable at any time.
I did that with Fighter Aces, and cancelled before I was charged. No comparison with Air Warrior, because I started with AW when it was free on AOL. I'd have given a credit card number to AH to try it.
Yes, it is a business decision. Is the two week freebie worth the hassle to AH? Lots of memberships to track. Keeping repeaters from abusing the offer. Responding to complaints from paying members. So far it is.
Hopefully, the idea of granting trial memberships to people who can demonstrate the ability to pay (a credit card) will become more attractive.
So, if you didn't sign with AH, where'd you be now? WB or FA? Who are you kidding?
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HONK!
Gooss
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Just about the only thing that will fix the situation is to have trainers on hand possibly in an invisible mode who can watch not only the action but the private communication and check six call between players ,and has the power to boot abusive players
somewhere along the line it has become common practice to accept the check six as asking permission for a fight but it does not state this in the rules that are listed when you enter the arena
so in a basic scenario a noob comes on gets checked by a vulcher
said vulcher doesnt wait for any confirmation and blasts noob to dust
noob doesnt realise he is supposed to respond or not and vulcher uses the check six as an excuse " i checked you there fore it was fair " yada yada
one solution would be to lock people out of the training arena for 24hours upon being booted by a trainer
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Gooss I'd be probably at Castle Wolfenstein 2 demo or other similar free online multiplay. I have strong reservations about giving my creditcard info to a company I don't know and which locates overseas.
The totally restriction free 2-weeks was perfect for me, I could check the product out without giving any personal info whatsoever. If I didn't like it, forget it - no spam danger nothing.
However as you might concur the product appealed me and I became a paying customer after a period of (free) h2h playing.
Despite the imbalance and other whines I've made about MA, AH has been a worthwhile experience and good value for the money.
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skip i started AH and did not have a cc I paid by money order...
as it is my cc (amex) isn't accepted in many online games so i don't play them....
SKurj
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Kerg's Best Vulchers are the biggest violators I have seen in TA, hence the nickname. They are paying members, so removing the 2 week trial won't help. I was vulched 4 times in a row on the runway by Buff59, so I finally went to MA on my second day because at least I could take off there.
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time to go kerg hunting in the ta :)
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Hi hi, hi ho! a - dork hunting we go!!!
Count me in for the bashing cita! :)
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Originally posted by skipdallen
Sounds like part of the "ganging" problem is that they're a "gang" or squad. Don't allow squads to be formed in the TA.
Make ack unkillable at some fields.
Maybe re-think the two week free trial. Require a credit card for a membership. No charge if membership is cancelled within a month or two weeks if you insist.
Gooss
Why should a Squadron with a good reputable reputation be penalized from using the TA ?? We, the VF-27 "Hellcats", fly in the TA on Sunday Evenings, expressly for the purpose the TA was intended for. We Practice Squadron Formations, Ground Strikes, Anti-shipping Attacks, Basic and Advanced ACM, and anything else that a Squadron Member has requested or reported a problem with being able to do, like getting a fully loaded F4U off a CV, :)
I agree, there have been problems with others from time to time, yet we normally inform them that We Are conducting TRAINING on the Text Buffer, and generally, get left alone. For the ones that decide they HAVE to engage us, We either ignor their antics, or we swat them as they deserve. (Even the jerks flying the Free Uber Planes get tired of getting ganged by 12 to 18 at a time. :-) )
If they ask us what we are doing, and seem interested, We even invite some of them to train with us.
Hopefully, skipdallen, you will see this as an informative reply to your post, and not as a flame.:D
By preventing Squads within the TA, we would lose our AHV Squad Channel for communication, we would lose the Squadron Icon Identifier, and generally just have a less productive Training session. Should We Be penalized, as PAYING CUSTOMERS, simply because a few are abusing a system ?? I think not.
I totally agree with the idea that those caught ABUSING the system, need to have some form of punishment meted out to them, else they will only continue their unwanted and disruptive behavior.
Giving the "Official" Trainers, like GHOSTH, the ability to ban a player for a 24 hour period, in my own humble opinion, would not work or be a good Idea, as that only gives them a larger headache to contend with, as well as a lot of stress to overcome.
One of the reasons I left Aces High, was due to the flames and attacks constantly aimed at the "Game Moderators", most of whom were Highly Respected within the Game, that were given the "POWER" to eject or ban disruptive players. Each time they were forced to utilize their "POWER", it was ALWAYS a case of "they caught me the one time I did something, but never did anything to the player that started it." Guilty is Guilty.
I believe, as mentioned in a previous post, that an e-mail from HTC Admin, that {you} - (put whatever ID fits) have been reported as abusing the rules in the TA, would be productive. That, combined with a warning as to further possible action from HTC Admin, (possibly being banned from the TA for a period of time), should become effective. For those who simply will not adhere to or obey the rules, HTC in it's Stated Policies CAN AND SHOULD , with proof positive, cancel the disruptive players Subscription.
To Me, this is the only VIABLE solution.
All
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well if you notice the comment under rickod 2nd post, I do check 6 and get checked 6 and i fallow the rules. we dont have an admin on 24/7 so if im shot down by someone who didnt check 6 im gonna go shoot him down, thats it. If he continues to shoot other people down consistantly, i play air cop and make sure he doesnt get off the runway so at least other people can have a fun time.
I stay in TA cause its fun. There aint 200 people hittin your base at once and shootin ya down. You can choose to fly around or get into the heat of battle.
1) you cant limit how long or much someone stays in a certain arena. long as you dont break rules there aint a problem.
2) if im shot at/down im gonna get him back. that was a violation of the rules and uncalled for. if you ask im not rude to people unless they are vuclhin and not checkin 6.
3) it is a game and its suposed to be fun but with people disobeying the rules, you cant do much fun playing. you like change and if you and 3 people go to a different place it gets boring. Different people try different things and thats why if someone is breakin the rules we dont like movin to a different base.
4) so what if there are like 6 of us in a spot alot during TA. if you dont like it, what are you gonna do besides say "Why dont you go to MA."? Cry? I mean get real so we are in TA not like we are breakin the rules, get over it.
You only get vulched by about 5 people when you have provoked it. thats IMHO. I havet seen any of the people vulch you vulch anyone else UNLESS they were doing wrong. So you must have, in some way, deserved it.
Thats just my 2 cents, if you dont like it there are always other arena. we just choose to play in the TA because of longer battles instead of 2 shots and your dead.
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Trubo the training arena is not a place where you spend your time looking for newbies who'd provoke your attack.
It's not a place where a squad should spend its time primarily shooting people who are trying to learn the game down.
I can't see any other reason for a full squad to fly in the TA except to pick on the newbies who went to TA just to prevent that.
The TA mentality has turned into anarchy a long time ago. I've been there a few times with new pilots I've talked with in MA and chosen to go to TA to show some moves. Every time we've gone there the default field is a big furball with people vulching it either from air or using an ostie at the end of the runway.
One of the tards even followed us when we moved to a distant field to get some peace to practise. Fortunately he was smart enough to back off when I repeatedly threatened to report him to the HTC staff.
Anarchy in TA is nobody's advantage and brings bad image to the whole game if some responsible 2-weekers go there to practise in order to know their stuff in MA. This way they learn nothing but to pick on others and vulch the field like they were vulched.
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Originally posted by TruB0
if im shot down by someone who didnt check 6 im gonna go shoot him down, thats it. If he continues to shoot other people down consistantly, i play air cop and make sure he doesnt get off the runway so at least other people can have a fun time.
That is blatant abuse of the check6 command - it is not meant to be used to challenge someone to a fight... it is supposed to be a warning you send to a friendly that there is an enemy on their 6! What sort of an impression is a new pilot going to get with this sort of treatment? Are you trying to chase away new pilots by acting in this way, and most likely putting them off the game altogether? You are NOT some kind of "air cop", and have absolutely no right to be acting in that way to other players.I stay in TA cause its fun. There aint 200 people hittin your base at once and shootin ya down. You can choose to fly around or get into the heat of battle.
The TA is supposed to be an arena where players can undertake training either from an official Trainer or from another experienced player, or as a practice area for someone who just wants to get used to the flight models, etc. It is not some kind of playground for a bunch of bullies! You can just as well "fly around or get into the heat of battle" in the MA!1) you cant limit how long or much someone stays in a certain arena. long as you dont break rules there aint a problem.
You are breaking the rules, though! It clearly says on the Message of the Day window as you enter the arena that you are to ask permission before engaging another player - sending them a Check6 is not asking permission.You only get vulched by about 5 people when you have provoked it. thats IMHO. I havet seen any of the people vulch you vulch anyone else UNLESS they were doing wrong. So you must have, in some way, deserved it.
Nobody deserves to be treated like that in the TA, and that is a disgusting attitude to have towards players who are just trying to learn the game. If you really want to spend time in the TA, it should be to help these new players - by giving them advice on how to fly, and giving them a chance to even get off the ground... they have enough to cope with in learning to get off the ground without crashing, without some big bully thwarting their every attempt by vulching them.we just choose to play in the TA because of longer battles instead of 2 shots and your dead.
Oh, I see.... spending a lot of time vulching new players amounts to a "longer battle" :rolleyes: Of course, you are right.... if you tried that in the MA, it would not be long before someone shot you down, especially if you lack the skills to fight them on an even footing - with both of you in the air to start with! Get real.... leave the Training Arena for new pilots to learn the game in peace and go to the MA for more challenging fights.
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hmm leave the TA guys alone +)
I spent an couple hours in there last night, and it was fun.
there was no channel 1 crap
no "winning" or losing really
Lots of room if ya needed some space to practice
I did step on one guys toes when i first got in there, but once i let them fire first all was well +)
Was kinda neat seeing perkrides fighting slow on the deck +)
SKurj
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Originally posted by SKurj
hmm leave the TA guys alone +)
LOL! I usually do, but I am disturbed to think that potential new players are put off the game by this sort of behaviour... in fact I do know of some players I knew from a squad I was in in AW who were put off exactly because of what went on in the TA. Fortunately, I was able to persuade them to give it another go, and they have since made great progress and have become regular players in the MA; however, I can't help wondering how many more players have completely given up because of it and gone to other sims like WarBirds or Fighter Aces...
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That is blatant abuse of the check6 command - it is not meant to be used to challenge someone to a fight... it is supposed to be a warning you send to a friendly that there is an enemy on their 6! What sort of an impression is a new pilot going to get with this sort of treatment? Are you trying to chase away new pilots by acting in this way, and most likely putting them off the game altogether? You are NOT some kind of "air cop", and have absolutely no right to be acting in that way to other players.
well if you read the rules you must check 6 before firing.
You are breaking the rules, though! It clearly says on the Message of the Day window as you enter the arena that you are to ask permission before engaging another player - sending them a Check6 is not asking permission.
yes thats true but IM not breaking the rules, and many others arnt so if you want to spend most of your time in TA so be it, as long as rules are fallowed.
Nobody deserves to be treated like that in the TA, and that is a disgusting attitude to have towards players who are just trying to learn the game. If you really want to spend time in the TA, it should be to help these new players - by giving them advice on how to fly, and giving them a chance to even get off the ground... they have enough to cope with in learning to get off the ground without crashing, without some big bully thwarting their every attempt by vulching them.
This only happends after about 30-50 times of them doing it. And after REPEATED attempts to get them to learn/understand its wrong.
Oh, I see.... spending a lot of time vulching new players amounts to a "longer battle" Of course, you are right.... if you tried that in the MA, it would not be long before someone shot you down, especially if you lack the skills to fight them on an even footing - with both of you in the air to start with! Get real.... leave the Training Arena for new pilots to learn the game in peace and go to the MA for more challenging fights.
No its not fighting newbies and its not picking on them either. we simply fly for fun against each other or others. I dont check 6 or fight anyone unless they check me first or ask. THEN and ONLY then i engage them.
By the way, how are you to judge someone who pays to fly in the game. you fly the way you want, and I fly the way i want. Just because i choose TA over MA doesnt mean jack. and yes i do play in MA but i perfer TA.
And no its not a vulch fest every single day in there. Mostly like ghosth said its the new guys shootin people down who dont care. Subscribers like me and others dont care for it. And yes there are people who are subscribed and dont care what they do. I am not one of them. If you would like to "spy" on me or whatever feel free cause im not lyin. I fallow the rules, and try to keep it fun.
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Clearly TA is not meant to be a relaxed realism arena for players like you. If you spend most of your time in TA fighting, it's no longer training. There is one thing however that would justify your being there..
Have you ever taken new pilots under your wing and started actually training them?
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"well if you read the rules you must check 6 before firing. "
I think you still dont really understand Check 6 usage. Its a WARNING for friend about closing enemy. Do you use it when you start "fight" from guys c6 d800 away?
If you want fight with my in TA you ask first "In XJazz?" and if I answer "ok/yes/in trubo" fight is on AND everybody in that area knows that we have fight on.
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xjazz has a valid point. Check 6 goes only to you. Only you (or your film) can prove if you were warned.Engagements should be called on channel 2 or open so EVERYONE knows who's engaged with who.
This should cut down on a LOT of the confusion!
I will be talking with HTC about this asap.
Expect the Message of the Day to change.
Also, thats about enough for this thread.
Time to let it go and move on.
The squad that was complained about the most has disbanded. The other has been through some serious soul searching and will be spending more time in other arena's.
Point made, discussed, hammered out and driven home. Changes will be made. I'll expect everyone to be on their best behavior.
all
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fair enough .
If you must fly in the TA make it a point to show one newbie one new thing every day
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I do and so should you
last night I showed bakon how to take an me262 from ground to 400mph in less than a minute and also how to join and gun for a buff
:)
he got one of his first kills and his first gunner kill last night
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Exactly! If you lurk and bide your time in the TA, do your part as an experienced player and help the newbies. THAT's what TA is about.
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oy Flossy +) not directed at you no worries +)
I went in the TA and trained ... was fun fightin 4 at a time SA training +)
SKurj
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Originally posted by Ghosth
Point made, discussed, hammered out and driven home. Changes will be made. I'll expect everyone to be on their best behavior.
Good to see something positive come out of this thread. I may start to look in the TA occasionally myself to see if I can help anyone.... can't dogfight to save my life though, so it would have to be fairly basic advice... :D
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Originally posted by SKurj
oy Flossy +) not directed at you no worries +)
LOL.... wasn't sure, and realised you had a point - I was poking my nose in concerning an arena I have never been in, but I know from some of my former squad-mates that players have been put off in the past and was concerned to see the level of disruption going on. LOL, the old AWAR in me, I suppose... :D Glad it's all worked out OK anyway.... ;)
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That was a fantastic read for this newbie!
1) No credit card. To many people would have passed on the opportunity of the trial. I slipped away from 2 months of Fighter Ace with a paddle and bought a Sidewinder after a week of crashing planes and riding tanks here.
2) Keep pushin the HELP THE NEWBIE theme. This is a very difficult game to learn compared to some. All the help I have recieved is most appreciated.:D
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Hmm. I was in there a week ago, and wasn't vulched. I saw this guy trying to Take-Off in a bomber and kept crashing. I asked him FOUR times if he would like some tips and I would be more than willing to get in a bomber and help him in anyway possible. Dead air is all I received. No vox, or message bar. I typed the following "You are in the training arena, I have witnessed you crash into the water four times, I am offering you advice and training for your problems, woudl you like my help?" i still received no replies, I then typed "Enjoy swimming, bring a life preserver." Then proceed to take my 262 to 30k and perform some manouvers. Some people do NOT want to be helped. As I was climbing, this guy crashed four more times until he was out of sight!
Masher
P.S. - I will ALWAYS extend a helping hand to people in need. Way I was raised by my folks. If I see someone struggling I'll offer eVERY time. I will do the above EVERY time (four opportunities, come on!). If ignored, you'll be ignored. I saw the above guy the following day and the same "swim-fest" occured.
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:rolleyes:
Masher It took me three days to figure out radio. Still only typing rarely, It moves to fast. can you delete the Victory by messages?
I also picked up I mic and hope to get it running tonite. I have a friend from other game also struggling. We would love to man the guns in a Lanc or something. Gonna read up some more!
PS: Next time please drop the life preserver I cant swim!!!:D
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As far as I know concerning the Victories, no. I don't mind them and rarely pay attention.
As for the Lanc. Good choice, a squeak to fly. Make sure your throttle is at 0, Use a little flaps, hold down C & V (brakes), 100% throttle, wait until it screams (full power), release brakes and TO. This takes a we bit of practice, but not much.
The bombing of targets is another hornet's nest. It is the trickiest part about being in a bomber. The best tip I can offer you is this and I find it works beautifully. Say you are bombing a CV. For EVERY 10,000ft. Lead the CV, 1 CV length. You will hit it everytime, if done properly. This takes a toejamload of practice but really helps.
I may go to the TA, today around 4PM EST. I live in Michigan. What is your GameID, I'll look for you and try and walk you through some toejam.
Masher
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Originally posted by Johnny Bud
can you delete the Victory by messages?
type the "/" to get radio bar, then type ".squelch 6" (no quotes)
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Thanks guys JBud
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Jbud Im on usually after 7p.m. cst
and have plenty of experience in buffs and a bit in tanks and fighters as well
Username is skrbrofr and Im on bish side but will switch to help you if need be just message me when im on
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As a newer pilot I fly the TA on/off. I have seen a lot of strange things happen in there. As for people not responding to radio messages/typing/voice, I had a similar experiance with a pilot, thought he was really weird, turns out I was the weird one,,,,,he was Swedish and spoke no English(or very little) I guess the old adage about assumptions still applies!
Wacky:D
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Originally posted by Masherbrum
I asked him FOUR times if he would like some tips and I would be more than willing to get in a bomber and help him in anyway possible. Dead air is all I received. No vox, or message bar.
One of my last duties as AW staff before we were disbanded was to spend time in the various newbie/training arenas to help new pilots - or try to! My biggest problem was communicating with them and it was one of the most frustrating parts of the job! I never knew if they just didn't want any help or if they simply didn't know how to reply, and I would try to give them directions on using the text, both on the ground and in the air. Sometimes I would eventually get a response and they would admit they hadn't known what to do.... in other cases, I never did find out.
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I use the TA for perk ride practice ,squadron practice once aweek , test flights,ect, and I will ussually anser any and all questions asked by the players in the arena.
I spammed this game To everyone I knew in Fighter ace 2 befor it closed two weeks ago . Its only fair that they get the same help I did when I first came to this game .. almost a year ago .
The new players get disgrunteled at how hard this game is to learn at first.... and need some help, if they havent played this level of sim befor . Htc would have alot more $$ if more of these players learned to fly and got addicted as we have . (and perhaps lower the sub price a couple of more bucks, hint hint)
its only fair to use the TA for what its intended for not a newbie vulchfest for some squad .
I those that straightened it out .
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I think if someone feels "man enough" to vulch in the TA. They should be forced to TO from a chosen Field. The object you ask? To try and stay up in the air as no less than 10 Server originating craft are dogging them, not to mention the pilots who are in the MA. Shooting them down relentlessly, and when they get fed up and start to cry, shoot em down again. When they really start to cry, they should come to the MA and try it. :) I don't care how long you have been playing this game, if you vulch in the TA, you're a pansy!!! :eek: Straight up. Mean? maybe. True? yeah. Vulching is acceptable in the MA as you are prohibiting the enemy from TO from a field which has a gooney bird on the way to. If you need PRACTICE vulching, you're sad. :(
Enough on the subject for me. I don't care about the reaction I get from this, this shouldn't have been an issue in the first place. AH should prohit these pansies from the TA and if paying only let them play the MA and see how they like it.
Masher:)
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Now to more productive means. Flossy, it sucked because I really wanted to help whoever it was. But when you use VOX and the keyboard as many times as I did. Sooner or later I will be getting the point that they don't wantthe tips, or help they would need and like to make the game more enjoyable! I don't get it? The boat left and I wasn't on it! But, will I stop giving out tips and advice, no because I was that same person struggling when I started. Am I the best stick, not a chance, worst, no. I have been in here about three months. Played many a sims through the years, so I didn't have that much of a problem, getting the touchy controls down pat. I love realism. I haven't even dented the surface of knowledge to be picked up from everyone. I'm still learning on the toughest learning curve.
Flossy, see you up there!!
Masher
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Originally posted by Masherbrum
Now to more productive means. Flossy, it sucked because I really wanted to help whoever it was.
I can well imagine - it has happened to me so many times in AW! At least here there is the option of the Range VOX... we did have VOX in AW but it meant tuning a channel first, or crewing a bomber to use the intercom - which would have meant more instructions on text to achieve either of those options! :)Flossy, see you up there!!
Yeah, Masher.... going to try and remember to have a look in the TA occasionally from now on, even if it is only to help with the most basic needs - and maybe some bomber training! ;)
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THE biggest thing I stress to newcommers is to read the manual.
There is a TON of good information in there. And as boring as it sounds, flying offline BEFORE you try your two free weeks and getting used to the flight model and gunnery also helps alot.
I still get frustrated at some guys who ask 'simple' questions in the MA. But what is simple to one person may not be to another, I have to remember.
I liken it to learing to drive. I would hope you learn how to put on the brakes before your on the highway doing 65mph.
That being said I still visit the TA and try my best to assist people. If I try to help and get no response I assume the language barrier is in the way.
fuzeman
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Originally posted by skipdallen
Sounds like part of the "ganging" problem is that they're a "gang" or squad. Don't allow squads to be formed in the TA.
Make ack unkillable at some fields.
Maybe re-think the two week free trial. Require a credit card for a membership. No charge if membership is cancelled within a month or two weeks if you insist.
Gooss
How about Turning the 'Vulhcers Into Turkeys". Re-launch them Deep in E Teritory... use the Eye in the Sky.