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Title: Want a lesson in human nature ~ Up a 262 in the MA
Post by: BotaBing on May 18, 2002, 06:34:02 PM
Got my first 200 points built up in perks, so I upped a 262 to see what the fuss was all about. /shrug

It's definitely fun to boom and zoom at 600mph LOL.

Took less than half a tank of gas to see about 20-30 planes drop everything they were doing to try to chase me. 2 c-47's tried to ram me. Got 3 maneuver kills from people killing themselves in an effort to catch me. And finally, someone in a Tpyh dropped down about 5000 feet to ram me and I lost the bird.

Was a lot of fun, but sure a wake-up in education to see the kind of people you are flying with, and the extreme steps they will go to (abandoning all sense of realistic flying being the first to go) in an effort to try to "hurt" someone to the tune of 200 perks.
Title: Want a lesson in human nature ~ Up a 262 in the MA
Post by: SFRT - Frenchy on May 18, 2002, 06:42:48 PM
Yep ... now just imagine you were in a Spit14 instead of a Me262.:cool:

Too bad I can't test fight the Spit14/TA152 in the MA else than the B&Z.
Title: Want a lesson in human nature ~ Up a 262 in the MA
Post by: llbm_MOL on May 18, 2002, 06:43:00 PM
Well ya better stay high and make sure you dive in the right direction when you wanna get away from a not so nice crowd. Word goes out quick when there is a 262 in the area. I use them for Buff busting mainly. They work great for that. You stay up around 25-30K looking for Lances and B17's. You can almost feel the panic in these guys when they realize their in deep Kimshee. It must really bite spending all that time getting a Lance or a B17 up to 30k only to go down in flames to a couple of blasts of 30mm cannons:)

Makes me weep it does..............


LLB OUT!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Want a lesson in human nature ~ Up a 262 in the MA
Post by: Wotan on May 18, 2002, 06:43:51 PM
you whined so much in the main i left now you bring it to the bbs :rolleyes:

theres a thread about colisions in another forum. Also ht has made several post about how collisions work. NB said he lit u up in the ho in his typhie and you shot off his wing.

Sounds like mutual death do to ho. Go do a search for the other collision threads.
Title: Re: Want a lesson in human nature ~ Up a 262 in the MA
Post by: -ammo- on May 18, 2002, 07:17:48 PM
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Originally posted by BotaBing
Got my first 200 points built up in perks, so I upped a 262 to see what the fuss was all about. /shrug

It's definitely fun to boom and zoom at 600mph LOL.

Took less than half a tank of gas to see about 20-30 planes drop everything they were doing to try to chase me. 2 c-47's tried to ram me. Got 3 maneuver kills from people killing themselves in an effort to catch me. And finally, someone in a Tpyh dropped down about 5000 feet to ram me and I lost the bird.

Was a lot of fun, but sure a wake-up in education to see the kind of people you are flying with, and the extreme steps they will go to (abandoning all sense of realistic flying being the first to go) in an effort to try to "hurt" someone to the tune of 200 perks.


Oh cry me a river. You arent flying it right. If those perks didnt mean so much to you then you would actually try to fly the thing to its potential.

Quit yer whining Frenchy:)
Title: LOL
Post by: BotaBing on May 18, 2002, 09:13:07 PM
There isn't a single whine in the post. Nor did I Whine in the MA, I simply made my thoughts about the guy who rammed me known.

I was at about 10k when the guy dropped down...I was flying it just fine.
Title: Want a lesson in human nature ~ Up a 262 in the MA
Post by: AKDejaVu on May 18, 2002, 10:10:37 PM
Seems like some people's definition of a "ram" is simply someone turning around to engage them.

Yet another lesson in human nature.  It doesn't matter what you were doing or how you aproached the situation... its always the other guy's fault.

AKDejaVu
Title: Want a lesson in human nature ~ Up a 262 in the MA
Post by: DmdBT on May 18, 2002, 10:17:13 PM
radio intercept transcript taken from screenshot...

BotaBing: Um you had 5k alt on me
...
BotaBing: I could almost see you beating off in your plane
...
BotaBing: oh god oh god im gonna ram that 262
...
BotaBing: oh god i rammed him thank you jesus YES YES YES
...

If that is not a whining mindset I don't know what is... and I've been watching whines in online flight sims since late '93.

Lonz
Title: LOL...
Post by: BotaBing on May 18, 2002, 10:17:54 PM
To me, the difference between a HO and a RAM is in the ram, the guy doesnt even have a prayer of shooting you, he is purposefully trying to ram your plane.

This guy was coming at me head on, but had about 5000 feet altitude above me. He was moments from collapsing his own wings, and he got very lucky i wasnt able to evade him by diving down and turning. He rammed the top of my plane with his nose, not a Headon ram.
Title: Want a lesson in human nature ~ Up a 262 in the MA
Post by: Wotan on May 18, 2002, 10:33:35 PM
Bota do us a favor please do a bbs search for collisions. HTC has explained how they work.

Absent that go to a h2h room with a wing man take turns ramming each other and film it. Then post the film and show us where a guy can "ram you". If he "rams you" he will see the collision on his fe. He will recieve damage. Dont fire at each other just have 1 guy level the other guy above. Have him dive at you trying to ram you.

Theres netlag from your cpu through the lines to the server, through the server to the other dude and through his cpu. What you see on your Front end is not a real time snapshot. What you see is not what the other guy sees. NB said he shot and lit you up. He said he lost a wing then colided the closure rate between you makes netlag even worse. To accuse someone of the impossible and then carry on like you did (outlined above) is a whine.

Just test it or look it up on the bbs for yourself.
Title: Want a lesson in human nature ~ Up a 262 in the MA
Post by: BUG_EAF322 on May 18, 2002, 10:39:19 PM
Just upped a me 262 i fly it at 5K 550 mph make long turns to keep that speed . In that way i killed one zero who was furballing.
After that i saw a B17 attacked by one other bish went under him climbed up and boom gone b17.
After that i saw my squad mate low chased by a dhog it never saw me. I see some bandits high and i extend a while i came back chased a fast low yak got on his six while he climbed up, the poor dweeb got a one way trip to the deck.

In the end i got 5 kills nme knits never got me and i made a 200 mph landing :D

It's great and very uber 200 points very worth.

u need a little experience in it dough, like u can break ur wing or auger in to the ground wich happened to me at some time after compression. U need to find the way to fight with it. :cool:

upped it 2 times so far this tour and got me 11 kills and 0 death
  :p                
I think it's got the best fighter ratio in the MA
Title: Want a lesson in human nature ~ Up a 262 in the MA
Post by: Pongo on May 19, 2002, 01:10:51 AM
Ya I got a lesson in Human nature in a 262 tonight..
Knights lost 2 to the Bish. So I upped from 6 in a 262 just as the wave arrived there. I climbed north over the ocean and then turned back for the lake beside 2.
Found a goon killed it. but a Hellcat saw me and started to chase me..picked up 2 la7s and a pony. Tried to zoom a p47 but missed picked up another pony.
headed accross the lake and tried for a pony. but missed...
Headed to 5 and there was nothing there so back to the lake and passed my buddies on the way. Caught a lanc milk running (kill 2) dragging quite a few guys again. Circled to the strat bellow 2 and missed a jug again! Kept my speed up back to 5 and saw some badies climbing west along the coast. Missed a p47 and p51..neither saw me.. I just missed them.(they were both on auto climb too)  :rolleyes:

Got a pony. another pony I think...and then the last one never blew up quick enough and I cliped his wing before he died. wing less I rode my 199 perk points to the ground..
human nature...greed...the 262 can be a humbling experiance.
Title: Want a lesson in human nature ~ Up a 262 in the MA
Post by: EvilDingo on May 19, 2002, 03:26:44 AM
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To me, the difference between a HO and a RAM is in the ram, the guy doesnt even have a prayer of shooting you, he is purposefully trying to ram your plane.


If he can ram you, he can shoot you.

So, goons tried to ram you huh? Do you have any idea how stupid that sounds?
Title: Want a lesson in human nature ~ Up a 262 in the MA
Post by: Toad on May 19, 2002, 04:29:51 AM
Jets are for kids.
Title: Want a lesson in human nature ~ Up a 262 in the MA
Post by: Hristo on May 19, 2002, 01:30:35 PM
:D
Title: Yep
Post by: BotaBing on May 19, 2002, 01:59:40 PM
Evildingo, yep. It does sound stupid, and it looked even more ridiculous.

I cannot believe the lengths kids would go to just to try to down a 262. It's pretty funny actually hehe.

Watching the reactions of people encountering a 200 point perk was almost as fun as flying it. Soon as I get another 200, Im up again.
Title: Want a lesson in human nature ~ Up a 262 in the MA
Post by: Swager on May 19, 2002, 02:22:48 PM
I cannot believe the lengths kids go to build up  enough perks to fly a 262.  It's pretty funny actually.  HeHe!  :)

Listening to the reactions of people losing a 200 point perk is almost as fun as downing one.
Title: I have noticed...
Post by: BotaBing on May 19, 2002, 05:25:32 PM
I have upped a number of F4u-1c, never saw much action.
SpitXIV and 262 though, its like a contest to see who can down it the fastest lol...
Title: LOL!
Post by: MadBirdCZ on May 20, 2002, 09:25:42 AM
Really the best part is: "Goons wanted to ramm me!"  :D  Damn I spilled my coffee! I just could not help myself not to imagine the 262 being attacked by 2 ship of C-47s thats too much :)

OK tell me now - When you are flying the multi hundered perk point plane the way it is not supposed to be flown (understand it as LOW and SLOW) how can you blame any enemy pilot for picking you? Damn! If im high and see lower con what do I do? Well I just fly away ignoring him and I look for a coalt and co E enemy to have a fair fight!  NO! I dont really do that... Instead I just go nose down and engage him ......  And no! I really dont find anything wrong about it. Anyne else does it to me when Im in tempest and I find myself low so why shouldn't I do that to them? :)

Come on its just a game and one more thing! As mentioned and explained by HTC so many times in past. Intentional ramming is NOT the way colision system works in here... :p
Title: Want a lesson in human nature ~ Up a 262 in the MA
Post by: SKurj on May 20, 2002, 10:22:07 AM
I'd imagine on a sweep mission during ww2 if a p51 wing spotted a 262 going slow u can bet the chase is on!! even if the 262 was a few thousand feet below +)

SKurj
Title: Heheh...
Post by: BotaBing on May 20, 2002, 10:29:45 AM
I was not flying SLOW, I had swooped down into a valley to 86 some spit upping, and that's when a whole host of low flying, slow flying enemy cons tried to get me...

I blew through so fast it was not a problem...
Title: Want a lesson in human nature ~ Up a 262 in the MA
Post by: Nifty on May 20, 2002, 10:34:20 AM
I got my first Spit14 kill last night.  I was in a Spit V.  Was the second easiest kill I had all night.  Guy was low and not too fast and he latched onto a P-47 that was after something else.  I called out over range channel to the P-47 that he had company and I was OTW.  I dropped down behind the Spit XIV, saddled up about 250 yards out and ripped him in half.   Wasn't very satisfying though, maybe I shoulda used the 303's to make the encounter last longer.  ;)

If you die in a ram, it's your fault.  You die in a HO (not talking about a front quarter shot that results from manuevering, but the accept a HO from someone that starts out over d2.0 away), it's your fault.
Title: Want a lesson in human nature ~ Up a 262 in the MA
Post by: AKDejaVu on May 20, 2002, 10:36:38 AM
OK...

C-47's tried to ram you.

You flew a near supersonic perk plane down to the deck to off a plane just launching and then complain that all the other planes in the area that you must have ignored engaged you?

Botabing, you are a moron.

AKDejaVu
Title: Want a lesson in human nature ~ Up a 262 in the MA
Post by: Masherbrum on May 20, 2002, 10:53:38 AM
AK has my vote for the "most simple and to the point response" with "Botabing, you are a moron. "

My question is why were you running, I'd engage and climb, engage, climb.  Not running away, you have a 30mm equipped plane!  Thunderbolt would be the toughest but, again a 30mm will make mince meat out of anything out there, save CV's (I wish wood splinters could be shown).

I have shot down 2 spit 14's in my Pony of choice.  Am I the best "computer pilot" in here, not even on my best day.    Some days your so hot, the local FD, has to cool you off with a fire hose, other days, the fire never started.  

Rude, we have a nomination for you!!!!

Masher
Title: AKDejaVu
Post by: BotaBing on May 20, 2002, 10:58:44 AM
AhDejaVu, say that in person. Unless youre willing, keep your personal insults to yourself. They aren't in any way constructive.

The point of this thread is that I thought the reactions of people around me to seeing a 262 were funny. The title was not "Hey AKDejaVu come act like an amazinhunk"


The base I was attacking had about 10-15 cons in the air, it was merely a matter of selection. They were all "upping" its not as if I vulched in a 262 then came to complain when ack got me LOL. The point is, people act like total freaks and stop at nothing to get a 262.

p.s.

The moment youre ready to back up your personal insults, let me know. I'll be happy to arrange a time and place.
Title: Re: AKDejaVu
Post by: Sikboy on May 20, 2002, 11:01:29 AM
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Originally posted by BotaBing
AhDejaVu, say that in person. Unless youre willing, keep your personal insults to yourself amazinhunk.


Oh no!!!! :eek: Someone's gonna get their bellybutton kicked! :eek:

-Sikboy
Title: Want a lesson in human nature ~ Up a 262 in the MA
Post by: Masherbrum on May 20, 2002, 11:03:45 AM
FIGHT!!FIGHT!!!!FIGHT!!!!!!

Rude, rant of the week nom. as well.

Masher
Title: Shrug...
Post by: BotaBing on May 20, 2002, 11:04:51 AM
There is no room for calling people names when they did nothing to you to deserve it. Keep that crap on the quake forums.

The odds of people treating each other like that face to face are a lot lower, so I'm more than happy to offer.
Title: Want a lesson in human nature ~ Up a 262 in the MA
Post by: LePaul on May 20, 2002, 11:13:14 AM
LOL...

I lost my 262 the other night by being, well, stooopid.  In that NDISLES map, Knits grabbed 61 and pressed on for 59 and a few other bases.  I followed a group of Lancs that creamed the HQ and was just doing some recon on 59 to see who was there for cons.  Many low cons well under me, but this IS a 262 and you gotta buzz em and yell NYAH NYAH at the screen.

Anyways, I found a 190 at co alt and decided to buzz by him, not really intended to fire at or get into a HO encounter with.  Well, he turned to me, and i made no effort to turn away...so a D 1.4k I opened up and made a hard vertical move.  I have no idea what happened after that, as I was sitting in the tower.  The gent who killed me reported I'd rammed him, and that he opened fire at d700 showing multiple hits.  I estimate i was doing 500+ and on a dialup connect that's been pinging 120ms lately, dunno if we had a warp, or he hit me so hard and fast, I simply exploded.

Haha...for 200 perks, I wouldve preferred a more glamorous death  But oh well, my bad.  Back to the 234s now  :)
Title: Want a lesson in human nature ~ Up a 262 in the MA
Post by: Vector on May 20, 2002, 11:42:06 AM
Flying the Tempest on this tour I've noticed that threat of HO's occurs more than in non-perk plane. Everyone wants to kill perk plane, even if it'd require some kamikaze attitude. The positive side of the perk plane flying is that atleast for me, my SA has never been better. Makes you think before engage, for me that it's totally new aspect of this game! :D

BotaBing, remember that in 262, you have the ultimate option to disengage at will.
If you want fast and good ride with less than half of the price of the 262, try Tempest, you still have lots of options in it :)
Title: Nod...
Post by: BotaBing on May 20, 2002, 11:45:30 AM
Well nothing came close to touching me, it was just funny to watch.

Where I bit it was when a guy with way more altitude dropped down and rammed the top of my plane. I suppose I could have tried harder to pull away, at the risk of breaking apart...

Anyways, it was still fun. Watching people chase was as fun as flying :)
Title: Want a lesson in human nature ~ Up a 262 in the MA
Post by: AKDejaVu on May 20, 2002, 11:55:08 AM
LOL BotaBing?  Did you just challenge me to a fight?

Shouldn't be too much trouble.  I figure you'll come out here to Oregon, come to my doorstep then have to come back to the bbs and tell everyone how low it was for me to stand my ground and kick your bellybutton after all the work/money you went through to get there.

At least... that's the impression I get from all your posts.

AKDejaVu
Title: Want a lesson in human nature ~ Up a 262 in the MA
Post by: DmdNexus on May 20, 2002, 12:04:43 PM
"Why do the planes with red tag markers chase me and shoot at me?

Wahahahahaha - it's not fair! Make them go away!

My shiny new Two Six Two go Ka-boom and make smoke"

Shud-uppa-yo-face you whining snot nosed looser!
Stop dipping into your loaded diaper! That's not chewing tabacco!

Muhahaha!

:D
Title: Want a lesson in human nature ~ Up a 262 in the MA
Post by: Masherbrum on May 20, 2002, 12:16:09 PM
Anything else you would like to add to that DmdNexus?  :eek:

Masher
Title: ...
Post by: BotaBing on May 20, 2002, 01:08:18 PM
No, I challenged you to make personal insults to my face. If we were having this conversation in person, I highly doubt you would call me a moron.

And if you want a fight, I'm more than happy to oblige. Gloves or no gloves, your choice.
Title: Want a lesson in human nature ~ Up a 262 in the MA
Post by: AKDejaVu on May 20, 2002, 01:11:21 PM
If being called a moron gets you so bent out of shape, I strongly suggest you refrain from speaking (or posting).

You are too quick to remove all doubt.

AKDejaVu
Title: Want a lesson in human nature ~ Up a 262 in the MA
Post by: Nifty on May 20, 2002, 01:12:46 PM
does this thread qualify as assault yet?  I mean we've got threats of real physical violence now...  :eek:
Title: No...
Post by: BotaBing on May 20, 2002, 01:14:05 PM
What gets me bent out of shape is how quickyl people will act like total amazinhunks just because they are sitting behind their computer screen.

If we were at the Con, and I mentioned "Man its funny how people go totally bonkers when they see a 262, the other day I upped my first one and a lot of guys tried to ram me..." I highly, highly doubt that your reaction would be to call me a moron.

That kind of personal insult has no place in a game like this. Go play quake with the other 14 year old kids.

My point is exactly what I said ~ you wouldn't talk to me like that in person for saying what I said here. Not only would you probably not be that big of an ass, but you surely wouldn't want to take the risk of pissing me off.
Title: Re: ...
Post by: Sikboy on May 20, 2002, 01:14:47 PM
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Originally posted by BotaBing
No, I challenged you to make personal insults to my face. If we were having this conversation in person, I highly doubt you would call me a moron.

And if you want a fight, I'm more than happy to oblige. Gloves or no gloves, your choice.


Title: Shrug
Post by: BotaBing on May 20, 2002, 01:19:43 PM
You know, the other part of what upsets me about these kinds of trollers is that you didn't even read the post.

I didn't die vulching a base. I never even went that low, I was probably up above 1500-2000 feet off the ground the entire time. I was moving way too fast for anyone there to be a threat. And frankly, if you don't think trying to pick off enemy planes before they reach a position of advantage is a smart tactic, not to mention a historical one, I suggest you do some reading.

I got killed by some high altitude person diving down to ram me. He must have blown 5000+ feet of alt, and been going so fast as to being close to critical mass and near break apart time. I never got pinged by him, I blew up when we collided.

p.s. If I had died to ack or something lame while trying to vulch planes ON THE FIELD, I mean, that would be so stupid I would almost expect someone to say "Hey man that was really moronic..."

But I didn't do anything remotely close. A spit was upping, I swooped in for the attack, and the multitude of low-alt low-speed planes in the vicinity all immediately turned towards me...

It is funny when you think about it, I know anytime a 262 is near me, I hear tons of comm channel broadcasts making sure everyone knows its there, etc. Same goes for a Spit XIV
Title: Re: No...
Post by: AKDejaVu on May 20, 2002, 01:22:38 PM
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Originally posted by BotaBing
What gets me bent out of shape is how quickyl people will act like total amazinhunks just because they are sitting behind their computer screen.
I strongly suggest you re-read your first post and everyone thereafter.  Or was that AI flying all those planes?
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If we were at the Con, and I mentioned "Man its funny how people go totally bonkers when they see a 262, the other day I upped my first one and a lot of guys tried to ram me..." I highly, highly doubt that your reaction would be to call me a moron.
If you were to say at the con "C-47s try to ram me while I fly an Me262" I will continue to call you a moron.  At the con or not.  I guarantee it.
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That kind of personal insult has no place in a game like this. Go play quake with the other 14 year old kids.
that coming from someone that just said "I bet you wouldn't say that to my face".:rolleyes:
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My point is exactly what I said ~ you wouldn't talk to me like that in person for saying what I said here. Not only would you probably not be that big of an ass, but you surely wouldn't want to take the risk of pissing me off.
Dude.. you set the precident of being an bellybutton with the first post of this thread.  And here you are... continuing to think its everyone else's fault.

If you don't like the response... well.. I'm sorry.  It doesn't make it any less accurate.

If you feel your "you wouldn't say that to my face" means anything other than "the threat of violence would keep you quiet" then you are living up to my initial assessment.

AKDejaVu
Title: Amazing...
Post by: BotaBing on May 20, 2002, 01:28:10 PM
Everyone else's fault? What exactly are you talking about?


I am flying a 262, somewhere around 7-8k at something like 450mph, and I see a low-flying low-speed spit. I drop down to attack him. A nearby C-47 does a half-loop (Himmel? or something) in an effort to turn around and HO ram me.

That makes me a moron?

The sheer stupidity in your assessment, and hostility, is punishment enough for you...
Title: Want a lesson in human nature ~ Up a 262 in the MA
Post by: AKDejaVu on May 20, 2002, 01:29:18 PM
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Took less than half a tank of gas to see about 20-30 planes drop everything they were doing to try to chase me. 2 c-47's tried to ram me.
Translation:

I tried to come in at 600 mph on C-47s and nearly ram'd them as they evaded.  Of course, the collision was being forced by the much slower and lower aircraft... not by me and my dweebish tactics.
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Got 3 maneuver kills from people killing themselves in an effort to catch me.
Wow.. cool.
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And finally, someone in a Tpyh dropped down about 5000 feet to ram me and I lost the bird.
Yep.. I'm sure that someone with 4 hispanos had to resort to ramming a faster plane to get a kill.

So... these statements alone qualify you as a complete and total moron.  And that is from your initial post.

The part about diving to pick someone off as they launched was just icing on the cake.

Of course, I'm sure you weren't attempting to ridicule anyone with this post.  It was all in good fun.. just highlighting the idiocy you see when you take up a perk plane.  Yep... just nameless faces you are insulting there.  That makes it ok. ;)

AKDejaVu

P.S.  Remember... its everyone else
Title: Shrug....
Post by: BotaBing on May 20, 2002, 01:32:31 PM
Feel free to offer insights and comments. And if you need to make personal insults, feel free to back them up.

The emails botabing@pacbell.net
Title: Want a lesson in human nature ~ Up a 262 in the MA
Post by: Sikboy on May 20, 2002, 01:33:28 PM
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Originally posted by AKDejaVu
Of course, the collision was being forced by the much slower and lower aircraft


Hey, it worked for the PLAAF A Year ago.

-Sikboy
Title: LOL
Post by: BotaBing on May 20, 2002, 01:41:00 PM
No more responding to the AKTroll, now he's just making up things and ignoring what I wrote. I never even tried to kill C-47's they were just in the vicinity and made total tulips out of themselves in their attempt to "get" my 262 no matter what the cost.



The fact that some guy can find a way to disagree with the general theme of the post "People try REAL hard to down 262's" just shows what a troll he is. The fact that he has to make personal insults in the process where there was nothing mean or hostile said to him in the first place just shows what an immature bellybutton he is...

The email address wont change, and the offer stands. Unless you care to back up your personal insults and hostile attitude, I kindly suggest you back to smoking your boyfriend's pipe.
Title: Want a lesson in human nature ~ Up a 262 in the MA
Post by: Rude on May 20, 2002, 01:55:08 PM
I've insulted HT for years...when I showed at the con last year he got real pissed and came chasin after me...I ran like a girlscout back to Kansas!!!

So the moral of this story is.....if ya can't cash the checks your mouth writes, best to stay silent, unless you can run like a girlscout.

Just so you all will understand, Girlscouts are really fast runners.
Title: Re: LOL
Post by: AKDejaVu on May 20, 2002, 01:55:47 PM
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Originally posted by BotaBing
No more responding to the AKTroll
OK
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, now he's just making up things and ignoring what I wrote. I never even tried to kill C-47's they were just in the vicinity and made total tulips out of themselves in their attempt to "get" my 262 no matter what the cost.
Ooops... that "no more responding" part didn't even last the whole paragraph.  And.. I'd like you to point out what I made up.  Or are you suggesting there is a valid way for a 200 mph aircraft to attempt to ram a 500 mph aircraft without said 500 mph aircraft choosing to get close to them... dare I say shoot them down?  I'm sure there were a few pilots that heard there was an Me-262 in the area and immediately up'd in C-47s in search of a kill.
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The fact that some guy can find a way to disagree with the general theme of the post "People try REAL hard to down 262's" just shows what a troll he is. The fact that he has to make personal insults in the process where there was nothing mean or hostile said to him in the first place just shows what an immature bellybutton he is...
OK.. I can accept that.  I've been called immature before.  Mostly it was by highscholl girls who insisted they were the most mature creatures on earth.  I guess I can dismiss your claims just as easily.

AKDejaVu
P.S.  remember... its everyone else
Title: Want a lesson in human nature ~ Up a 262 in the MA
Post by: lazs2 on May 20, 2002, 02:09:17 PM
well.... that settles it.. I'm gonna kick rudes bellybutton at the con.
lazs
Title: Want a lesson in human nature ~ Up a 262 in the MA
Post by: Nifty on May 20, 2002, 03:31:05 PM
lazs, are you sure you can catch him though?  I mean he does run like a girlscout after all.  Not that he needed to tell us, we all know his favorite plane is the Runstang.  ;)

Hmm, what would I do if I was in a C47 and I saw a Me262 behind me closing at high speed...  I'd pull some drastic manuever to make his AOT go up.  That would generally mean turning into him.   Perhaps the Me262 would have seen that as an attempt to ram him.  I just see it as an attempt to spoil his guns solution.

If I'm in a plane and I see a Me262 5000 ft below me, what would I do?  hmm, could it be to convert that alt into speed so I could actually catch up to the bird before he blows up any more of my low and slow teammates?  yup, that's exactly what I'd do. Chances are the Typhoon knew the only one that had a chance of getting you was someone higher than you who could use the alt to accelerate up to your speed (man, I love doing that to lower P-51s when I'm in a Spit I!  surprises the hell outta them).  However, he probably didn't take care to not go so fast that he compressed, or he knew the only way to catch you was to go that fast and took the chance.  

What I'd like to know is if the Typhoon rammed you on his FE.  At the speeds both planes were going, and given the inherent lag in the arena, I doubt very seriously it was a collision on both FEs.  He probably missed both the shot and ramming you on his FE (which is why you never got damage packets) OR he hit you on your FE before he ever opened fire on his FE.  Things get really interesting in this game when there's lag and 500mph+ closures.
Title: Want a lesson in human nature ~ Up a 262 in the MA
Post by: Wotan on May 20, 2002, 04:06:30 PM
the typhie pilot said "i lit you up like a candle" and then said "you shot off my wing and then i collided" i was online when it happened. Botawhine about went nuttz on how the guy purposely dove 5000 feet just to ram him. Sounds to me they went ho to ho both lost. With hi closure rates the disparity on eachs fe is greater. But he cant seem to understand that.

But Botawhine has trouble excepting responsility for his "losing a perk plane". He tries to cover that with "i cant believe folks actually were trying to shoot me down".

I logged off went he started with the going into detail how he thought the typhies pilot was masterbating at the site of the 262. Pretty childish on channel 1 and then comes to the bbs with the same crap.

You guys who get their panties bunch over "politics" where are yas on this behavior. Its far more prevelant then what was posted in that "other" thread.

Have ya gone to h2h and done the collision test? Wheres the film?
Title: Want a lesson in human nature ~ Up a 262 in the MA
Post by: Sikboy on May 20, 2002, 04:12:17 PM
I'd like to start by saying that I agree with Nifty's assesment as to what caused the perception that Goons were in Ram mode, and that the Typh was not mostly interested in Ramming. I agree that people do go out of there way to kill perk planes, but I think Botabing is a little paranoid in his post. Further, I didn't think that Bing was acting like a Moron until he tried to intimidate another poster (or whatever it was he was trying to accomplish.)

I'm very interested in the idea that people might not call someone a moron "face to face." I presume, as DJ noted, that it's the implied threat of physical violence that would keep one from making the statement. Would this mean that only the very strong or the very capable fighters have the market cornered on saying what they feel? Interesting way to look at it.

I'm not a big dude. That's for sure. But I have a HUGE mouth. I know that this will shock many people on the boards, but I've gotten my bellybutton kicked due to my mouth on more than one occasion. It happened to me in High School, it happened to me in the Military. It never happened to me in College, but that had more to do with people not wanted to get thrown out of school than it did with me watching my mouth. In fact, there's a pretty funny picture out there somewhere of me the morning after, looking like I was hit by a bus (Eyes puffed to slits, cuts on my face swollen nose and upper lip)

I'm not proud of the fact that I got my bellybutton kicked, that's for sure. But if you really think that I'm going to refrain from calling you a moron when you act like it, we'll no, I'll take my beating thank you very much.  

-Sikboy
Title: Want a lesson in human nature ~ Up a 262 in the MA
Post by: AKDejaVu on May 20, 2002, 04:28:30 PM
Well said sikboy.
Title: Want a lesson in human nature ~ Up a 262 in the MA
Post by: Rude on May 20, 2002, 05:27:05 PM
Oh that's just great Lazs....thanks alot!!! I've already registered and payed for the hotel room, now I'm gonna have to stay home!!!

Bully!
Title: Want a lesson in human nature ~ Up a 262 in the MA
Post by: Fatty on May 20, 2002, 05:55:14 PM
If you want a lesson in human nature, ram a 262 with your tiffie.

I did and I'm still getting laughs out of it.
Title: Want a lesson in human nature ~ Up a 262 in the MA
Post by: Blue Mako on May 20, 2002, 10:06:25 PM
I'm going to award this one to AKdejavu.  Clear TKO.

The "goon tried to ram me" defence  is hilarious BB, keep it up. :)
Title: Want a lesson in human nature ~ Up a 262 in the MA
Post by: 2wktrial on May 21, 2002, 02:42:10 AM
Being fairly new to this game :

If you safely land a ride that you pay for do you still get charged for it  or have you lost the points anyway ?

Oh and one other thing,  why are some of you guys so intense ?

2wktrial
Title: Dang...
Post by: BotaBing on May 21, 2002, 04:24:36 AM
"The "goon tried to ram me" defence is hilarious BB"

I don't know wtf you think youre reading, but why you call it a defence it beyond me.

The entire point of the thread was that IT WAS FUNNY TO WATCH.
Title: Want a lesson in human nature ~ Up a 262 in the MA
Post by: lazs2 on May 21, 2002, 08:41:17 AM
rude... no problem.... so long as you bring lots of lunch money I will settle for giving you a weddgie.  
lazs
Title: Want a lesson in human nature ~ Up a 262 in the MA
Post by: Rude on May 21, 2002, 08:44:19 AM
Alright then....I'll show up....but ya only get the lunch money as wedgies don't feel very good.

Seriously, you gonna make the con?
Title: Want a lesson in human nature ~ Up a 262 in the MA
Post by: Zippatuh on May 21, 2002, 09:08:01 AM
Very good read this morning.

Goons trying to kill 262’s, that is a good one!

Followed shortly by “meet me at the playground at 2:30”, even better.

With a small touch of “all I ever needed to know I learned in kindergarten”.  Reminds me of a mom saying, Son sometimes you have to shut them up, even if you’re the one getting shut up :D.
Title: Want a lesson in human nature ~ Up a 262 in the MA
Post by: lazs2 on May 21, 2002, 09:57:22 AM
rude... I signed up for the con and now that I know you are going.... I have a room.
lazs
Title: Want a lesson in human nature ~ Up a 262 in the MA
Post by: Creamo on May 21, 2002, 10:38:22 AM
Laz, I still haven't seen Mr. Ripsnore Uncle Sam Big Tax Payer Boeing Software Support Management Employee? (read $40Kish, maybe 50K if the unions last strike lofted them to make par within 30%) BMW driver free airline tickets I was promised if I would go, but I have the entire weekend off due to a UNION 4-10 hour day shift change with Fri-Sat-Sun Off.

Now that it isn’t vacation day depleting venture from my Wisconsin Deer Season, I could fly down free on airline passes with the wife, just to buy beers and ask why a big ‘Ol BMW driver was borderline not going due to financial obligations.

Now whether you have a wedge of the underpants contest with Rude, I can’t impede the natural process.

Still, would be fun.
Title: Want a lesson in human nature ~ Up a 262 in the MA
Post by: lazs2 on May 21, 2002, 03:02:45 PM
creamo... you can share rudes room with me and save a few bucks.  As for ripsnore... well.... what did u expect?
lazs
Title: Re: I have noticed...
Post by: Widewing on May 21, 2002, 04:41:35 PM
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Originally posted by BotaBing
I have upped a number of F4u-1c, never saw much action.
SpitXIV and 262 though, its like a contest to see who can down it the fastest lol...


I suggest you get some time in either type in the TA before venturing into the MA. I've flown the SpitXIV, and a La-7 came a'runnin. He died. Then a Mustang tried his luck, he died too. Finally, I collided with a SpitfireIX after shooting his elevators off. That was my fault, and cost me just over 58 perks. The fact that I was able to handle the Lavochkin and Mustang without great difficulty is exactly why these birds are perked. Yet, one stupid mistake and all those perkies go down the drain.

One must expect that everyone will be out to kill your perk plane. So, you had better be up to the challenge, or resign yourself to losing the perks. Fly it smart, don't take the same risks you might in a non-perk fighter, and you'll land most of your sorties. However, be advised, these aircraft accumulate perks at about .5 per kill (or less), meaning that a SpitXIV will need an astounding, certainly impossible, K/D to break even, should just one fighter be lost. If you fly perk planes often, you can depend on losing more perks than you will ever gain.

I suggest that you fly someting like the Ki-61 or 202/205, in which you can generate 20-30 perk sorties. That'll allow you to fly the perk birds more often, and not be concerned about the lost perks, that will undoubtably result from just a single loss.

My regards,

Widewing
Title: Want a lesson in human nature ~ Up a 262 in the MA
Post by: SKurj on May 21, 2002, 05:45:31 PM
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Originally posted by lazs2
creamo... you can share rudes room with me and save a few bucks.  As for ripsnore... well.... what did u expect?
lazs


the guy's on vacation and here ya are stabbin im in the back eh +)


SKurj